FireFox Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 1 minute ago, Thracian said: I fully accept FireFox's comments regarding the background to the rules and yes, the situation is easy to understand. Whether millions agree with the other millions or not, Trump won his mandate according to the rules laid down. As a result I don't see his legitimacy as being in question at all. Not that I t think the Americans had much of a Presidential choice but then I don't think our own election choices are necessarily any better, particularly if I were a Labour voter. Again it smacks of flaws in the systems. Correct. Unless he is breaking the Constitution with conflicts of interest. Also, the popular vote of the election doesn't really matter as if the election was done by the popular vote, many more people would have voted, Republicans and Democrats alike who feel their vote doesn't matter in states like California, Texas, etc. It's only fun to bring up because it upsets Trump so much.
Mike Oxlong Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 6 hours ago, FireFox said: Correct. Unless he is breaking the Constitution with conflicts of interest. Also, the popular vote of the election doesn't really matter as if the election was done by the popular vote, many more people would have voted, Republicans and Democrats alike who feel their vote doesn't matter in states like California, Texas, etc. It's only fun to bring up because it upsets Trump so much. Surely getting more people to vote because they feel it would count would be a good thing as opposed to having a significant minority feeling disenfranchised by the system. In my view, each vote should have the value of 1.
Dr The Singh Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 8 hours ago, FriendlyRam said: its the equivalent of basically going into the white house and smashing it up When will someone have the sense to just impeach him? 1 week and he's already got protests outside his door, not to mention at airports all over the US, and protests and riots taking place all over the world ffs.. sorry but the man is a first class loony. 4 years of him just throwing out executive orders He is a Derby fan aswell, that tips it for me, kill him.
davieG Posted 30 January 2017 Author Posted 30 January 2017 Be there or be square? Anti-Donald Trump protest planned tonight at Leicester Clock Tower By danjmartin | Posted: January 30, 2017 Demonstrators are set to gather at Leicester's Clock Tower this evening to protest against Donald Trump. The event is one of a series planned across the UK today to object to policies the new US president has signed off in the few days he has been in power. The tycoon-turned-politician has been busy signing presidential executive orders including a highly controversial 120-day ban on immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. Mr Trump put a stop to the US's refugee programme, indefinitely banned Syrian refugees, and suspended all nationals from six other Muslim-majority countries - Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. The action resulted in condemnation around the globe, with a petition proposing to ban Mr Trump's planned state visit to the UK attracting the 100,000 signatures needed to trigger a debate in Parliament. It has been signed by nearly 1,000,000 people though Downing Street has said the visit will proceed. The protest at the Clock Tower from 5.30pm to 6pm tonight. The event's Facebook page suggest some 140 people are planning to attend. It follows a similar Clock Tower protest earlier this month after Mr Trump's inauguration which was attended by some 40 people. Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/anti-donald-trump-protest-planned-tonight-at-leicester-clock-tower/story-30096413-detail/story.html#VjAOarKiiclBAzxP.99
Strokes Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 37 minutes ago, davieG said: Be there or be square? Anti-Donald Trump protest planned tonight at Leicester Clock Tower By danjmartin | Posted: January 30, 2017 Demonstrators are set to gather at Leicester's Clock Tower this evening to protest against Donald Trump. The event is one of a series planned across the UK today to object to policies the new US president has signed off in the few days he has been in power. The tycoon-turned-politician has been busy signing presidential executive orders including a highly controversial 120-day ban on immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. Mr Trump put a stop to the US's refugee programme, indefinitely banned Syrian refugees, and suspended all nationals from six other Muslim-majority countries - Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. The action resulted in condemnation around the globe, with a petition proposing to ban Mr Trump's planned state visit to the UK attracting the 100,000 signatures needed to trigger a debate in Parliament. It has been signed by nearly 1,000,000 people though Downing Street has said the visit will proceed. The protest at the Clock Tower from 5.30pm to 6pm tonight. The event's Facebook page suggest some 140 people are planning to attend. It follows a similar Clock Tower protest earlier this month after Mr Trump's inauguration which was attended by some 40 people. Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/anti-donald-trump-protest-planned-tonight-at-leicester-clock-tower/story-30096413-detail/story.html#VjAOarKiiclBAzxP.99 I think i'm washing my hair.
Thracian Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 2 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said: Surely getting more people to vote because they feel it would count would be a good thing as opposed to having a significant minority feeling disenfranchised by the system. In my view, each vote should have the value of 1. In theory you're right. Trouble is, lots of people voting for something doesn't make it right. And we've had two prime examples recently....Brexit and Trump. Millions voted for each side in both of those votes so a lot of people are going to be wrong and/or disgruntled, either way. Both votes reflect the poison of politics. There needs to be something better.
Thracian Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 40 minutes ago, davieG said: Be there or be square? Anti-Donald Trump protest planned tonight at Leicester Clock Tower By danjmartin | Posted: January 30, 2017 Demonstrators are set to gather at Leicester's Clock Tower this evening to protest against Donald Trump. The event is one of a series planned across the UK today to object to policies the new US president has signed off in the few days he has been in power. The tycoon-turned-politician has been busy signing presidential executive orders including a highly controversial 120-day ban on immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. Mr Trump put a stop to the US's refugee programme, indefinitely banned Syrian refugees, and suspended all nationals from six other Muslim-majority countries - Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. The action resulted in condemnation around the globe, with a petition proposing to ban Mr Trump's planned state visit to the UK attracting the 100,000 signatures needed to trigger a debate in Parliament. It has been signed by nearly 1,000,000 people though Downing Street has said the visit will proceed. The protest at the Clock Tower from 5.30pm to 6pm tonight. The event's Facebook page suggest some 140 people are planning to attend. It follows a similar Clock Tower protest earlier this month after Mr Trump's inauguration which was attended by some 40 people. Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/anti-donald-trump-protest-planned-tonight-at-leicester-clock-tower/story-30096413-detail/story.html#VjAOarKiiclBAzxP.99 The seeds of civil wars being planted?
Parafox Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 41 minutes ago, davieG said: Be there or be square? Anti-Donald Trump protest planned tonight at Leicester Clock Tower By danjmartin | Posted: January 30, 2017 Demonstrators are set to gather at Leicester's Clock Tower this evening to protest against Donald Trump. The event is one of a series planned across the UK today to object to policies the new US president has signed off in the few days he has been in power. The tycoon-turned-politician has been busy signing presidential executive orders including a highly controversial 120-day ban on immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. Mr Trump put a stop to the US's refugee programme, indefinitely banned Syrian refugees, and suspended all nationals from six other Muslim-majority countries - Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. The action resulted in condemnation around the globe, with a petition proposing to ban Mr Trump's planned state visit to the UK attracting the 100,000 signatures needed to trigger a debate in Parliament. It has been signed by nearly 1,000,000 people though Downing Street has said the visit will proceed. The protest at the Clock Tower from 5.30pm to 6pm tonight. The event's Facebook page suggest some 140 people are planning to attend. It follows a similar Clock Tower protest earlier this month after Mr Trump's inauguration which was attended by some 40 people. Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/anti-donald-trump-protest-planned-tonight-at-leicester-clock-tower/story-30096413-detail/story.html#VjAOarKiiclBAzxP.99 Does this ban include Highfields residents?
Harry - LCFC Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 I'm stunned that the US Constitution allows for the expansive use of the executive order that we're seeing right now. The men who wrote the document seem to have been terrified by the idea of a president who grabbed too much power for himself, so why include that kind of provision? Also, can we not expect to see the supreme court get a say on this at some point? I'm sure several of you know that Mike Pence called the policy 'offensive and unconstitutional' before he became Trump's running partner.
Mike Oxlong Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 1 minute ago, Thracian said: In theory you're right. Trouble is, lots of people voting for something doesn't make it right. And we've had two prime examples recently....Brexit and Trump. Millions voted for each side in both of those votes so a lot of people are going to be wrong and/or disgruntled, either way. Both votes reflect the poison of politics. There needs to be something better. I agree that it doesn't necessarily make it right. All it would do is provide a democratic mandate. What is "right" can often be a matter of perspective. Different systems have their strengths and weaknesses. You've hinted at having an idea of an alternative without being explicit as to what it is. Go on share. From FT could come the seed of a better world
Mike Oxlong Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 Are we sure that the 140 people reported to be planning to attend will actually be there for the demo or are they just going for a burger at 5 Guys ?
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 11 hours ago, leicsmac said: He had his core vote sewn up anyway - they think he's the Second Coming. He needs to hold on to the floating voters in those swing states he won, and I'm not entirely sure what's going on is helping. And considering what the public has allowed governments to do to protesters in the past I'm not entirely sure your second sentence is accurate either. From my memory he said "Donald J Trump is calling for a total shutdown of Muslims entering the US".... He hasn't actually gone near what he promised to his voters yet. I can promise you barely any swing voters will be going off Trump because of a woman walking down the street dressed as vagina or a load of airport protestors demanding refugees are let in. If anything, they might be looking at the alternative and thinking they did the right thing.
Benji Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 1 hour ago, davieG said: Be there or be square? Anti-Donald Trump protest planned tonight at Leicester Clock Tower By danjmartin | Posted: January 30, 2017 Demonstrators are set to gather at Leicester's Clock Tower this evening to protest against Donald Trump. The event is one of a series planned across the UK today to object to policies the new US president has signed off in the few days he has been in power. The tycoon-turned-politician has been busy signing presidential executive orders including a highly controversial 120-day ban on immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. Mr Trump put a stop to the US's refugee programme, indefinitely banned Syrian refugees, and suspended all nationals from six other Muslim-majority countries - Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. The action resulted in condemnation around the globe, with a petition proposing to ban Mr Trump's planned state visit to the UK attracting the 100,000 signatures needed to trigger a debate in Parliament. It has been signed by nearly 1,000,000 people though Downing Street has said the visit will proceed. The protest at the Clock Tower from 5.30pm to 6pm tonight. The event's Facebook page suggest some 140 people are planning to attend. It follows a similar Clock Tower protest earlier this month after Mr Trump's inauguration which was attended by some 40 people. Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/anti-donald-trump-protest-planned-tonight-at-leicester-clock-tower/story-30096413-detail/story.html#VjAOarKiiclBAzxP.99 This'll definitely make him change his mind. at "some 140 people", the use of "some" before 140 suggests it's 140,000 not Mr Bloggs and his dog.
Voll Blau Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 2 minutes ago, Benji said: This'll definitely make him change his mind. at "some 140 people", the use of "some" before 140 suggests it's 140,000 not Mr Bloggs and his dog. Yeah, I forgot you were only meant to protest against something if you knew you were going to get a result...
Darkon84 Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 It's so nice to see that Trump is making the world a much more caring place. I don't remember this huge outcry when Obama banned immigrants from Iraq and Iran, or when he drafted up the original document for this/singled out the 7 countries the ban will affect, so at least Trump has made people more compassionate for the welfare of these people. He just keeps getting more and more things right!
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 21 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Yeah, I forgot you were only meant to protest against something if you knew you were going to get a result... If the protestors had put this much effort into dealing with the concerns of normal people and finding policy to combat the issues he talks about he wouldn't be where he is. The whole irony is the sort of people who attend these protests are the reason we have President Trump.
Guest MattP Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 1 minute ago, Darkon84 said: It's so nice to see that Trump is making the world a much more caring place. I don't remember this huge outcry when Obama banned immigrants from Iraq and Iran, or when he drafted up the original document for this/singled out the 7 countries the ban will affect, so at least Trump has made people more compassionate for the welfare of these people. He just keeps getting more and more things right! Trump's bans and bombs hurt more than Obama's bans bombs.
Darkon84 Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 11 minutes ago, MattP said: Trump's bans and bombs hurt more than Obama's bans bombs. I can't believe Iraq are planning halting admission to Americans too. How dare they! I wonder if it will be reported as a ban on Christians? I also can't seem to see anyone really saying much over the Arab leagues boycott of Israel and banned Jewish passport holders from travelling to any of their countries...which actually is based on religion.
Benji Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 31 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Yeah, I forgot you were only meant to protest against something if you knew you were going to get a result... It's all about perspective, this is pointless and half will be there for the selfie and Twitter time.
Strokes Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 20 minutes ago, Darkon84 said: It's so nice to see that Trump is making the world a much more caring place. I don't remember this huge outcry when Obama banned immigrants from Iraq and Iran, or when he drafted up the original document for this/singled out the 7 countries the ban will affect, so at least Trump has made people more compassionate for the welfare of these people. He just keeps getting more and more things right! https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/
Jon the Hat Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 Trump has done more to engage Democrats / Liberals in politics than anyone for a long time. Good on him. He really hasn't done anything of interest, however the way he has gone about it and the scrutiny he is under makes everything seem like some kind of crisis. I am sure the media will calm down eventually.
Voll Blau Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 10 minutes ago, Benji said: It's all about perspective, this is pointless and half will be there for the selfie and Twitter time. I'm sure you're probably right, but the other half might well be there because of the cause and feel this is the best way to make their voice heard.
Voll Blau Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 21 minutes ago, MattP said: If the protestors had put this much effort into dealing with the concerns of normal people and finding policy to combat the issues he talks about he wouldn't be where he is. The whole irony is the sort of people who attend these protests are the reason we have President Trump. People are protesting against a completely arbitrary immigration ban and, in America, it seems to be by and large average folk rather than professional protesters on the streets. While I agree with you to some extent on the broader reasons why he won and how people should've dealt with those issues beforehand, I don't really see how that's relevant in this instance? Surely it's possible for normal people to find a single piece of legislation so abhorrent they feel it's worth standing up to?
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 21 minutes ago, MattP said: If the protestors had put this much effort into dealing with the concerns of normal people and finding policy to combat the issues he talks about he wouldn't be where he is. The whole irony is the sort of people who attend these protests are the reason we have President Trump. This is exactly how I feel and i'm glad i'm not the only one. The protests will do nothing but strengthen the views of his supporters. If people just calmed down and said, 'you know what, lets just give this a try as the motives come from the right place', there would be no problem. The muslim ban is little more than a vigorous extension of customs and immigration. Yes its selective, but so are all border checks. Watch the programme, 'Nothing to Declare' and tell me that Australia's border control staff treat everyone as equals.
Darkon84 Posted 30 January 2017 Posted 30 January 2017 7 minutes ago, Strokes said: https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/ Take your filthy facts elsewhere. They've no place here as they don't fit the narrative and outrage!
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