boots60 Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 Ex England international born in the Ivory Coast but lived in this country for 20 of his 24 years with, amazingly, 2 England caps to his name, albeit in friendlies has suddenly realised the only way he will represent his adopted country would be in the Olympic diving events has changed his mind & now will represent the Ivory Coast. Should this be allowed to happen?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 Obviously really feels an affinity for his birth nation and adopted one, then. Oh no he's just looking for any opportunity to play international football because his agent says he'll be more marketable that'll be it.
Dan Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 It shouldn't. The same way it's ludicrous that Diego Costa plays for Spain.
VLC86 Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 2 hours ago, SystonFox said: A reallyover rated footballer Really? I've always thought that but this season he is showing how good he can be. As for the original question, of course it shouldn't but we are one of the rare countries that doesn't exploit it.
Barky Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 Born in Ivory Coast so clearly eligible for them. But does seem a bit strange that you can play full international friendlies and then switch. Not sure it does anyone any real harm though. It just gives the 'lesser'* nations more of an opportunity to get good players. *appreciate that Ivory Coast would no doubt smash England at present
NewEnglandFox Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 I hope he goes. He dug a grave for himself declaring himself Ivorian just before the tournament. I made a joke saying it was to escape Pardew when it was announced a month or two ago. Obviously Big Sam isn't happy. If the guy really wanted to play in the 2018 World Cup, maybe he should have waited until after the tournament to re-declare himself. I hate this country jumping and snubbing of tournaments to play in the bigger league than for "your country." He might just pull off both.
SystonFox Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 6 hours ago, Costock_Fox said: Really? I've always thought that but this season he is showing how good he can be. As for the original question, of course it shouldn't but we are one of the rare countries that doesn't exploit it. I just don't think he's good as the motd pundits like to make out. A couple of step overs at Hull and all of a sudden he's world class? Beats me
AKCJ Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 Phew, thought saw this on the right hand side and thought we were linked with him.
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 What business is it of any of you how he self identifies? His heritage and place of birth is the Ivory Coast, he was largely brought up in England. Can understand why he'd be quite attached to both. What's the problem?
Fox92 Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 1 hour ago, SystonFox said: I just don't think he's good as the motd pundits like to make out. A couple of step overs at Hull and all of a sudden he's world class? Beats me Dives a hell of a lot as well.
VLC86 Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 1 hour ago, SystonFox said: I just don't think he's good as the motd pundits like to make out. A couple of step overs at Hull and all of a sudden he's world class? Beats me He was the best player on the pitch when we beat them 3-1, incredible 2nd half.
Leicesterpool Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 Well normally I'm dead against this as a player should never turn his back on his country for another, however Zaha to be fair compared to some at least Wilifred was born in the Ivory Coast. Unlike some players for example who found out there grandparents drank a bottle of guinness and opt to play for Republic of Ireland that way.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: What business is it of any of you how he self identifies? His heritage and place of birth is the Ivory Coast, he was largely brought up in England. Can understand why he'd be quite attached to both. What's the problem? Problem is it's a blatant career move and has nothing to do with "how he self identifies" whatsoever. If he really wants to he could get back into the England squad easily, but instead he takes the easy option and goes for the easier squad to get into. If he really wanted to play for the Ivory Coast he could have declared it years ago.
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 18 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Problem is it's a blatant career move and has nothing to do with "how he self identifies" whatsoever. If he really wants to he could get back into the England squad easily, but instead he takes the easy option and goes for the easier squad to get into. If he really wanted to play for the Ivory Coast he could have declared it years ago. You're probably right, it probably is a career move, that still doesn't mean he doesn't identify strongly with both and won't be very proud representing the country of his birth. Playing devil's advocate, it's also possible he was far too young to understand who he was and wanted to be at the ridiculous age he was pressured in to making the decision by the English FA and any reversal could well be a sign of his maturing and not the opposite. In short, it's really nobody's business but his and it's well within what is and what SHOULD be the rules. Diego Costa, however, is rather another issue. If it was up to me, residency for football and rugby would be ten years. That way, kids who've grown up in another country are fine but mercenaries just after a switch are going to have to basically risk never getting a call up.
Webbo Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 If it's within the rules then he's entitled to so good luck to him. I think it's more the chance to play in the world cup than a money making scheme. Being an Ivory Coast international isn't going to make him more saleable than not being an Ivory Coast international.
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 18 minutes ago, Webbo said: If it's within the rules then he's entitled to so good luck to him. I think it's more the chance to play in the world cup than a money making scheme. Being an Ivory Coast international isn't going to make him more saleable than not being an Ivory Coast international. If anything it's a reason not to sign him (afcon) and it's not like many African football associations have a big reputation for paying their national teams that well.
ScouseFox Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 5 hours ago, Finnegan said: What business is it of any of you how he self identifies? His heritage and place of birth is the Ivory Coast, he was largely brought up in England. Can understand why he'd be quite attached to both. What's the problem? yeah you would say that because nobody is really welsh they all just pretend
ScouseFox Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 15 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Obviously really feels an affinity for his birth nation and adopted one, then. Oh no he's just looking for any opportunity to play international football because his agent says he'll be more marketable that'll be it. he'll be much less marketable. he'll miss 6 weeks of a season every other year and instead of either getting a rest every international break or travelling from palace to wembley he'll be knackered after playing on some concrete pitch with a sheep's stomach for a ball in the middle of the sahara desert.
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 26 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: yeah you would say that because nobody is really welsh they all just pretend Why would anybody PRETEND to be Welsh!?
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 22 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said: I'm not bothered, he's crap. So are England, so he's not bothered either.
ScouseFox Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 37 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Why would anybody PRETEND to be Welsh!? because they aren't good enough to be english mate
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 Any mods want to stop Finnegan being racist towards me please
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2016 Posted 29 December 2016 12 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: because they aren't good enough to be english mate They aren't good enough to get knocked out in the second round against Iceland but they're good enough to get to the semi finals? Doesn't make sense to me.
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