Sol thewall Bamba Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 55 minutes ago, sylofox said: We don't need defenders we need wingers. We need a number 10 apparently. Like we have for the last 8 years.
Chico1958 Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 59 minutes ago, the fox said: I don't know why. But, that GIF is depressing in so many ways. It is so passive-aggressive . almost like how this forum treats kantè Did it with a smile fox. As for Kante....................I will remember him always. In a Good Way
Koke Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 6 minutes ago, lcfcben76 said: Was done with him after Bournemouth unfortunately, brainless that day Play Huth at RB and he will look like a pub player. I blame Ranieri 100% for this. Complete and utter mismanagement of not only Hernandez but also Benny.
Thracian Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 22 minutes ago, Koke said: Play Huth at RB and he will look like a pub player. I blame Ranieri 100% for this. Complete and utter mismanagement of not only Hernandez but also Benny. Blame who you like, he's gone and will be quickly forgotten (in a footballing sense! ). I don't think there's any argument about his shortcomings as a full-back (being slow really doesn't help) but one of the "must have" qualities of a centre-back is to put body and soul on the line when someone hits a shot. Hernandez wasn't that sort at all when I watched him.
Koke Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 1 minute ago, Thracian said: Blame who you like, he's gone and will be quickly forgotten (in a footballing sense! ). I don't think there's any argument about his shortcomings as a full-back (being slow really doesn't help) but one of the "must have" qualities of a centre-back is to put body and soul on the line when someone hits a shot. Hernandez wasn't that sort at all when I watched him. I agree somewhat actually. In the end he might not have been good emoigh. But then why sign him and why sign Benalouane as well. It's bizarre recruitment. Especially when our two current CBs are playing shockingly bad. Ranieri played a 36 year old liability in Wasilewski against Everton rather than play one of the 2 CBs he signed. Pretty abysmal that is tbh.
The Doctor Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 1.7m for a free signing who never looked good enough isn't a bad deal.
Thracian Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 7 minutes ago, Koke said: I agree somewhat actually. In the end he might not have been good emoigh. But then why sign him and why sign Benalouane as well. It's bizarre recruitment. Especially when our two current CBs are playing shockingly bad. Ranieri played a 36 year old liability in Wasilewski against Everton rather than play one of the 2 CBs he signed. Pretty abysmal that is tbh. I almost totally agree on that score and in relation to a good few of our other signings. In Wasilewski's case he'd perhaps earned the right to a second chance after his Arsenal blunder for all that I was surprised he got a contract extension. I'd truly love to know the thinking behind some of our personnel decisions because "bizarre" is exactly the right word.
ealingfox Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 16 minutes ago, Thracian said: Blame who you like, he's gone and will be quickly forgotten (in a footballing sense! ). I don't think there's any argument about his shortcomings as a full-back (being slow really doesn't help) but one of the "must have" qualities of a centre-back is to put body and soul on the line when someone hits a shot. Hernandez wasn't that sort at all when I watched him. Yeah because Morgan and Huth have really been willing to die for the cause this season.
Tuna Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 I have no idea why we signed him when we could have attracted so many players to the KP. It was like winning the lottery and then still buying your clothes from Primark.
Kitchandro Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 2 hours ago, peterborofox said: Heard 1.7m Not a bad fee if true considering cost nothing Yeh if we were in the business of selling cheap things off for a profit (which if you take wages into account is probably about £1m, big whoop for a club like us). But we're not, we're a football club who is supposed to be buying good players to help us get good football results. We made a huge mistake with him and the club are admitting that by selling him on so quick.
Thracian Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 2 hours ago, jim5000 said: What a terrible signing. Sure he cost nothing but wages, but it's an indication of the clubs transfer policy being miles away from what it was under Pearson if we are selling players 6 months after they signed. Given our position in the summer, it's criminal that we haven't signed a single player that can walk straight into the first team. Instead we signed a load of duds that have probably disrupted the squad harmony. Inler is another example - he was a complete Ranieri signing (to replace Cambiasso), didn't get a look in and was let go after a season of no appearances. We let the Swiss captain leave and played Andy King instead :-\ Bad example. Inler was seriously indifferent and King much under-rated as demonstrated most recently by how we've done without him.
Kitchandro Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 Forgot about the shirt swapping thing. Good riddance to bad eggs. No idea why people are saying he is good on the ball. Is it because he had good stats in Spain? He's shit on the ball, reminded me of Robbie Neilson. Very uncomfortable passing it and so slow he put himself under pressure. That's the difference between Spain and here, you can't just pass it sideways under no pressure like over there. You have to be quick on it. Oh and his centre back performance against Hull was hopeless. Too slow, panicky and bad positional sense. He just didn't have the physical attributes to succeed at this level, I've no idea what we saw in him.
Kitchandro Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 1 minute ago, Thracian said: Bad example. Inler was seriously indifferent and King much under-rated as demonstrated most recently by how we've done without him. We've played plenty of wank games with King this season, Thrac. Take your head out of his arse. He's decent in small doses but pathetic when given a run in the team.
Tielemans63 Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 From what I can make out, Ranieri is so pissed off with Rudkin's signings, and Rudkin is so pissed off with Ranieri's signings that they've agreed to buy players that neither of them actually want - that can be the only reasoning behind Hernandez' signing.
TrentFox Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 Excellent. Frees up space for a winger in the squad.
Thracian Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 35 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: We've played plenty of wank games with King this season, Thrac. Take your head out of his arse. He's decent in small doses but pathetic when given a run in the team. I've not seen many examples of Kingy's passing pace and accuracy waning in any of the games I've watched this season. Indeed I wish all our players could play one and two touch passes consistently and keep the ball instead of constantly giving it away for no reason I can fathom. But don't be deceived. Kingy's nothing like the goal threat he used to be - just better than the zero threat of everyone else waltzing about in our midfield. So yes, I'd replace him and have acknowledged as much on a few occasions over the last 12 months because, for what we aspire to, he's short of what we need. His replacement should have arrived by now - but instead we've got a bevy of midfielders who can't deliver one and two touch passes, can't flight a ball and have no idea how to shoot and score. So where do we begin, given the mess we were at Southampton? In the teams I had I began by getting the ball, keeping the ball and camping in the opposition half. We only have about four players who ever get into our opponents half at any one time and with any kind of intent. I'd have the whole outfield team there and people who could score from every position. And people like Kingy would make it work because he'd have so many options. We have so few its an embarrassment.
Koke Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 17 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: Forgot about the shirt swapping thing. Good riddance to bad eggs. No idea why people are saying he is good on the ball. Is it because he had good stats in Spain? He's shit on the ball, reminded me of Robbie Neilson. Very uncomfortable passing it and so slow he put himself under pressure. That's the difference between Spain and here, you can't just pass it sideways under no pressure like over there. You have to be quick on it. Oh and his centre back performance against Hull was hopeless. Too slow, panicky and bad positional sense. He just didn't have the physical attributes to succeed at this level, I've no idea what we saw in him. Morgan was worse that day in Hull - and he's continued to be shit. Hernandez had ONE game at centre back, and he was then forever banned from playing there by CR. Even 36 year old Wasilewski was preferred ahead of him, despite him being an utter liability. Ranieri has completely mismanaged both Hernandez and Benalouane.
TheSomersetFox Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 1 hour ago, Koke said: Play Huth at RB and he will look like a pub player. I blame Ranieri 100% for this. Complete and utter mismanagement of not only Hernandez but also Benny. Benny kept being brought on at RB when he first joined as well. Pulis-esque
Thracian Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 14 minutes ago, Paddy. said: From what I can make out, Ranieri is so pissed off with Rudkin's signings, and Rudkin is so pissed off with Ranieri's signings that they've agreed to buy players that neither of them actually want - that can be the only reasoning behind Hernandez' signing. Sounds to me like two cooks in the kitchen is one too many.
Kitchandro Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 8 minutes ago, Koke said: Morgan was worse that day in Hull - and he's continued to be shit. Hernandez had ONE game at centre back, and he was then forever banned from playing there by CR. Even 36 year old Wasilewski was preferred ahead of him, despite him being an utter liability. Ranieri has completely mismanaged both Hernandez and Benalouane. I saw something in Benalouane, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But Hernandez was a nothing player. Let's be fair here, we signed Morgan in the championship when we were trying to reduce the wage bill and sign bargains. It's actually a miracle he's been able to perform so well at this level at times. This season he's reverted to the Morgan we saw at Forest. A bumbling sack of shit. But that's why the signing of Hernandez irks me so much. We were not in a position to need free transfers. We knew we needed upgrades on Wes & Huth because they were getting older. But it was so obvious that's not what we tried to do. So this isn't really about Wes is it, who I agree should have been dropped long ago. But Hernandez looked dreadful for the few months he was here. He looked like a bad footballer. This isn't about whether he could have 'done a job' at centre half. If he was really good enough for this club, why on earth couldn't he force his way into centre back, is what we need to ask.
MC Prussian Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 On a financial level, a good deal. We got him for free and now earn a bit of cash in return. But that's where the fun stops. From a personal and HR perspective, shambolic man-management and a somewhat tragic example of the modern football business. You sign a player (that you obviously wanted to sign), don't play him in his natural position or don't play him at all, but instead let the heroes of yesteryear in Huth and Morgan continue to feel as if they're untouchable, whilst both are putting in underwhelming and disappointing performances on a regular basis, showing erratic behaviour and overly slow reactions. Now we're taking away competition, surely that'll improve our defensive record! I feel really sorry for Hernandez, he comes across as a scapegoat of a summer transfer policy that has gone horribly wrong and it gets worse with each passing day. Wait until the end of the transfer window and see with how many players we're left. This could potentially be the start of a bigger exodus, culminating in some star players leaving in the summer.
Koke Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 14 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: I saw something in Benalouane, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But Hernandez was a nothing player. Let's be fair here, we signed Morgan in the championship when we were trying to reduce the wage bill and sign bargains. It's actually a miracle he's been able to perform so well at this level at times. This season he's reverted to the Morgan we saw at Forest. A bumbling sack of shit. But that's why the signing of Hernandez irks me so much. We were not in a position to need free transfers. We knew we needed upgrades on Wes & Huth because they were getting older. But it was so obvious that's not what we tried to do. So this isn't really about Wes is it, who I agree should have been dropped long ago. But Hernandez looked dreadful for the few months he was here. He looked like a bad footballer. This isn't about whether he could have 'done a job' at centre half. If he was really good enough for this club, why on earth couldn't he force his way into centre back, is what we need to ask. Only Ranieri can answer your last question. Ranieri somehow thinks a 36 year old Polish liability should be ahead of the two centre backs HE signed. Journalists should seriously ask him that. Why is it that you have signed 2 CBs and one is rotting away in the reserves and the other is sold six months after arriving. The treatment of Benalouane is actually shocking. I agree with you that Hernandez probably wasn't good enough anyway, and I'm also pisssed off about the abysmal recruitment.
dynamark Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 I wouldnt feel sorry for him.Worst places than Malaga to pretend to be a footballer.Endless golf and P Banus at the weekend . Easy on the eye but not good enough for the premier .
Aus Fox Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 Wow some of the comments on here, anyone woelse or think we are the first club in history to make a signing that didn't work out. Even the greats made some shockers! We took a punt on a free transfer and it didn't work out, no big deal we sold him on for a profit. Not one of us on here knows what goes on behind the scenes, we see Saturday afternoon and think that's everything. There is clearly reason MW was picked for the Everton game ahead of him, could be attitude, might not have been 100% fit, could have been that MW and previous good games against Lakaku. Good Luck to the lad in Spain.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.