Donut Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Ranieri is attracting a lot of criticism. Hes made mistakes this season and thats clear. But before his seemingly inevitable departure from the club, i want to get this off my chest: 1) This club has treated these players like royalty off the back of what they did last season. And have they given anything back? anything at all? Course they havent. Because they are the epitome of the modern footballer, self centred, selfish, arrogant and detached. Happy as larry one moment, throwing toys out the pram the next 2) The post match interviews. All Ranieri has ever done, is try to protect the players, never dig anyone out, and keep a positive atmosphere around the club. Again, have the players appreciated this? have they fvck. And yet, if he started digging people out which he should have done long ago, youd have plenty of people on here complaining he shouldnt have done that. 3) The senior players. Could you be bothered to stand up and be counted? course you couldnt. Players who were clamouring for an opportunity to play, have you staked your claim? course you havent. Youve got the perfect excuse for all your failings, hide behind the man who helped you win the league, when you could be bothered. 4) The man inspired Leicester to win the league. We bin him off, we bin off a man capable of winning the league. We probably wont ever have a manager of that quality ever. Or certainly for a long, long time. 5) Claudio is obviously left carrying the can for everyones failings behind the scenes. HE IS NOT BLAMELESS, lets be clear on that. But Shakespeare, Stowell, Benetti, the sports scientists, WALSH (for some of his recommendations). Claudio is going to carry all of your blame. 6) Those shouting their heads off for Claudio to go have about as much respect as the players. There is absolutely no need for the level of vitriol Claudio has attracted. It is way over the top. You can call for a manager to go in a dignified way, and when youre talking about a man whos given you the best days of your Leicester supporting lives, you should show this man significantly more respect than he receives from this forum.
Webbo Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 I agree with the sentiment but this is all speculation, nobody really knows what's to blame.
TMELcfc Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 While I cannot disagree with most of what you have said, I don't also want to be remembered for winning it one year and going straight down the next... the heaviest fall from grace ever. But you are right, the players are a f****** disgrace.
Fox92 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Ranieri has a lot to answer for too. Style of play, weird line ups (inconsistency with that too), strange subs, doesn't seem to know his best 11 and cannot get us out of this mess. The club is a shambles.
dayday Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 When you know the team is beat before it's started then you know it's time for a change. I feel for Ranieri, yet if we are going to salvage our season it's best he moves on.
Kitchandro Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Just now, Webbo said: I agree with the sentiment but this is all speculation, nobody really knows what's to blame. It's not speculation to say that more than one person at the club is to blame for shit performances, that's a fact. Some people can't seem to see that. I think there's a lot of children on here who have their favourite players on the back of their £45 Leicester shirt and can't bare to accept that they are pieces of shit who must take responsibility for their own individual efforts (or lack of). I can accept Claudio is hopeless at the moment, I couldn't blame the club if they sacked him. But I'm not excusing the staff who get involved with the scouting/transfers. And I'm not excusing the players, who are the ones actually playing the football. And will anyone remember their role in this shit? No, they'll just place all the blame at Claudio's door and continue to worship these fvcks.
pSinatra Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 'If' Claudio has lost the dressing room, it doesn't matter who you are or what you do you are royally fvcked. Ask Mourinho. It's easier to blame the manager than get shot of half a dozen trouble-making players & they know it. That's 'if' he has lost the dressing room. It's pure speculation at this stage.
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Annoyed at the result but I wouldn't see us sack claudio, we've been in worse positions with worse managers, I still believe we can move forward as a club, we just have to give time still as long as we stay up, and even then, look at benitez at Newcastle it's not the end of the world as sickening as it would feel.
Corky Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Completely agree. This is a collective (non)-effort. Unfortunately it's the manager who takes the blame and loses his position but there are others I wouldn't be sad to see depart.
ealingfox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Certainly agree that a number of players deserve to be binned WAY more than Ranieri does but the season has been littered with poor management and he has lost sight of pretty much everything in chasing a winning formula.
WoodyFox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Also, don't forget Ranieri admitted that he has no say in the transfer dealings of the club. Who knows if he really wanted Slimani for example, or any of the other players we have signed. Any blame for this shambles of a transfer window should not be aimed at him.
Thracian Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Managers are well paid. They have immense power. Ours has the benefit of resources many managers would rejoice at. Preparation is conducted in fabulous surroundings. He's had chance to build and shape the team he wants. And so often now there is one consequence there's no excuse for. NIL As a result of all preparatory efforts.... Nil. Why pay a fortune for "Nil"? Nil against Chelsea, Nil at Southampton, Nil up in Burnley, Nil at home to Middlesbrough. Terrific value for money that. All in one month and with three more more Nils the month before.
EGBFitness Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 4 minutes ago, Donut said: Ranieri is attracting a lot of criticism. Hes made mistakes this season and thats clear. But before his seemingly inevitable departure from the club, i want to get this off my chest: 1) This club has treated these players like royalty off the back of what they did last season. And have they given anything back? anything at all? Course they havent. Because they are the epitome of the modern footballer, self centred, selfish, arrogant and detached. Happy as larry one moment, throwing toys out the pram the next 2) The post match interviews. All Ranieri has ever done, is try to protect the players, never dig anyone out, and keep a positive atmosphere around the club. Again, have the players appreciated this? have they fvck. And yet, if he started digging people out which he should have done long ago, youd have plenty of people on here complaining he shouldnt have done that. 3) The senior players. Could you be bothered to stand up and be counted? course you couldnt. Players who were clamouring for an opportunity to play, have you staked your claim? course you havent. Youve got the perfect excuse for all your failings, hide behind the man who helped you win the league, when you could be bothered. 4) The man inspired Leicester to win the league. We bin him off, we bin off a man capable of winning the league. We probably wont ever have a manager of that quality ever. Or certainly for a long, long time. 5) Claudio is obviously left carrying the can for everyones failings behind the scenes. HE IS NOT BLAMELESS, lets be clear on that. But Shakespeare, Stowell, Benetti, the sports scientists, WALSH (for some of his recommendations). Claudio is going to carry all of your blame. 6) Those shouting their heads off for Claudio to go have about as much respect as the players. There is absolutely no need for the level of vitriol Claudio has attracted. It is way over the top. You can call for a manager to go in a dignified way, and when youre talking about a man whos given you the best days of your Leicester supporting lives, you should show this man significantly more respect than he receives from this forum. 1) if all the players pissed off and spoke about how poorly treated/rewarded they felt from the club everyone would be slating the club right now. 2) CRs post match interviews are now coming off as stupid. Yes you don't want him to publicly rip into players (going by your first point maybe they need it) but to say a good performance from a team out played by a newly promoted team, a championship side in the FA Cup and announcing himself getting tactics wrong is worrying to hear if he his supponsingly protecting players or not. 3) Don't forget the majority of the team are the 'heros' of last season and also the players who pulled off the greatest escape. 4) It's not like we've lost one game and we now think we're Real Madrid and should sack anyone for a single loss. It has been 7 months since we won and we have become outplayed and outclassed in every game we now play. We offer little attacking threat and have failed to score in the league in 2017 so far. 5) Easy to start pointing finger at anyone and everyone - it is still his backroom staff so he should still be managing these supponsingly 'underperforming' coaches. 6) No player/manager is bigger than the club. Yes he is and always be a Leicester legend, no one wants him sacked for sentimental reasons but the club is in deep trouble!
Guest ttfn Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 3 minutes ago, Thracian said: Managers are well paid. They have immense power. Ours has the benefit of resources many managers would rejoice at. Preparation is conducted in fabulous surroundings. He's had chance to build and shape the team he wants. And so often now there is one consequence there's no excuse for. NIL As a result of all preparatory efforts.... Nil. Why pay a fortune for "Nil"? Nil against Chelsea, Nil at Southampton, Nil up in Burnley, Nil at home to Middlesbrough. Terrific value for money that - and all in one month. You can have all the money and all the facilities in the world but if the professionals employed to carry out your instructions don't or won't listen you won't get anywhere.
AS78UK Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Agree some of a senior pros have a lot to answer for too, taken the monies and gone into semi retirement when it comes to effort. But unfortunately the buck stops with the manager. Worryingly our tactics are all over the place. He has no idea what is best 11 players are and appears to have failed to see the weakest links in his team and squad.
WoodyFox Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 4 minutes ago, Thracian said: Managers are well paid. They have immense power. Ours has the benefit of resources many managers would rejoice at. Preparation is conducted in fabulous surroundings. He's had chance to build and shape the team he wants. And so often now there is one consequence there's no excuse for. NIL As a result of all preparatory efforts.... Nil. Why pay a fortune for "Nil"? Nil against Chelsea, Nil at Southampton, Nil up in Burnley, Nil at home to Middlesbrough. Terrific value for money that - and all in one month. He doesn't decide who we sign, so effectively he's being given players and is trying to make it work.
Neil_LCFC Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 The 10 players who started most games last season and won the league by 10 points, plus King in for Kante should be more than capable of having us around 10th this season . The fact we spent £75 million as well 10th should really be the minimum position we are in . The players are stealing a living at the minute it's about time they faced a few home truths. They aren't even doing the bare minimum required of a professional footballer let alone a Premier league winner. Their lack of effort and desire is a disgrace we have gone from the hardest working team to a bunch of individuals strolling around.
Spiritwalker Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Ranieri will always be a legend for what he achieved last season. He has made mistakes but has been massively let down by the players. He should be given respect on here but all those calling for his head are doing so because they can't see us improving. I would be suprised if we finished higher than bottom unless a change is made.
Rob1742 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 19 minutes ago, Donut said: Ranieri is attracting a lot of criticism. Hes made mistakes this season and thats clear. But before his seemingly inevitable departure from the club, i want to get this off my chest: 1) This club has treated these players like royalty off the back of what they did last season. And have they given anything back? anything at all? Course they havent. Because they are the epitome of the modern footballer, self centred, selfish, arrogant and detached. Happy as larry one moment, throwing toys out the pram the next 2) The post match interviews. All Ranieri has ever done, is try to protect the players, never dig anyone out, and keep a positive atmosphere around the club. Again, have the players appreciated this? have they fvck. And yet, if he started digging people out which he should have done long ago, youd have plenty of people on here complaining he shouldnt have done that. 3) The senior players. Could you be bothered to stand up and be counted? course you couldnt. Players who were clamouring for an opportunity to play, have you staked your claim? course you havent. Youve got the perfect excuse for all your failings, hide behind the man who helped you win the league, when you could be bothered. 4) The man inspired Leicester to win the league. We bin him off, we bin off a man capable of winning the league. We probably wont ever have a manager of that quality ever. Or certainly for a long, long time. 5) Claudio is obviously left carrying the can for everyones failings behind the scenes. HE IS NOT BLAMELESS, lets be clear on that. But Shakespeare, Stowell, Benetti, the sports scientists, WALSH (for some of his recommendations). Claudio is going to carry all of your blame. 6) Those shouting their heads off for Claudio to go have about as much respect as the players. There is absolutely no need for the level of vitriol Claudio has attracted. It is way over the top. You can call for a manager to go in a dignified way, and when youre talking about a man whos given you the best days of your Leicester supporting lives, you should show this man significantly more respect than he receives from this forum. Hold on, so he is responsible for us winning the league, but not responsible when it comes to managing the situation the season after. You cant have it both ways. Pearsons group won the league for us, and this was evident when you see the results in the second half of the season prior to us winning the league. Ranieri and his side kicks have made the wrong decisions, the latest being that he has kept an unhappy Ulloa in the camp. He is responsible for agreeing to who stays and who goes. He will have been instrumental in keeping Vardy, as much as he is responsible for allowing Fuchs to use his phone on the bench as soon as he was subbed last week. He has been unable to manage the transition from us winning the league, to what should be mid table stability.
Fox92 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Ultimately though it's the manager that takes responsibility. He's managing these players, regardless of whether they are good enough or not. It's his team playing his way. Ranieri took the credit winning the league and takes the credit now it's this shite. Remember when Pearson was here under pressure... certain people including OP didn't blame the players it was (rightfully) down to the manager... fortunately for Pearson though he got us out of a rut. Getting out of a rut is harder than getting in to a rut.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 I think it's probably highly likely that the players look at Ranieri as a joke figure. I believe this 'second season' crash theory is probably about right, re Ranieri. Id have no surprise if the players just take the piss out of a manager who is just too nice and out of a club that has been just too generous. The club has become something of a shambles and needs going through with a stiff brush. From top to bottom.
Donut Posted 31 January 2017 Author Posted 31 January 2017 3 minutes ago, Rob1742 said: Hold on, so he is responsible for us winning the league, but not responsible when it comes to managing the situation the season after. You cant have it both ways. Pearsons group won the league for us, and this was evident when you see the results in the second half of the season prior to us winning the league. Ranieri and his side kicks have made the wrong decisions, the latest being that he has kept an unhappy Ulloa in the camp. He is responsible for agreeing to who stays and who goes. He will have been instrumental in keeping Vardy, as much as he is responsible for allowing Fuchs to use his phone on the bench as soon as he was subbed last week. He has been unable to manage the transition from us winning the league, to what should be mid table stability. Says you cant have it both ways, then goes on to say Pearsons group won the league and totally dismisses Ranieri's input. Then blames him for this season. Contradictory much? It obviously wasnt solely down to him we won the league. Everyone pulled together to achieve something incredible, now theyre all pulling apart to ruin it and they know at the end of the day, the manager goes. Theyll be alright. The fans will still love me. Ill get a shitload of cash.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 6 minutes ago, AS78UK said: Agree some of a senior pros have a lot to answer for too, taken the monies and gone into semi retirement when it comes to effort. But unfortunately the buck stops with the manager. Worryingly our tactics are all over the place. He has no idea what is best 11 players are and appears to have failed to see the weakest links in his team and squad. Could you please be a little more specific? In which way were his tactics wrong tonight? Which formation should he have chosen? Without Slimani and Ulloa he had no target man available. Again. In other words: his offensive options were rather limited: Vardy, Mahrez, Musa,Grey and Okazaki. He played them all. But, alas, no airpower. Meaning, crosses into the box didn't make too much sense. Is it his fault, that Slimani and Ulloa are injured? And just a little reminder: at home we beat Burnley 3:0, thanks to two headers by Slimani.
z-layrex Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Sack the whole team before you sack Ranieri. The man is a god and I have nothing but love and respect for him.
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