Tuna Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 If you had worked in a job for 30 years with nominal success and then suddenly out of the blue in the twilight of your career, you get an unbeleivable opportunity which delivers the greatest personal success of your entire career, winning worldwide respect and kudos. For the people responsible for that, you would be forever grateful. If Claudio was 10 years younger, we'd not be in this mess right now. He's entwined with these players and cannot bring himself to criticize or replace them. It's a self fulfuilling prophecy. We play dreadfully, he says he's happy with the performance. We play dreadfully again, he says he's happy with the performance. Even recently he's been blaming himself for the results. Footballers like anyone need to be pushed. If you keep saying 'good job' to the players they'll get complacent and go backwards. Ranieri cannot lead this team any further. I would suggest that a new manager would make an immediate impact and the results would improve. And it would look they'e thrown Ranieri under the bus, but unfortunately he's responsible for the situation the club finds itself in.
Donut Posted 31 January 2017 Author Posted 31 January 2017 23 minutes ago, EGBFitness said: 1) if all the players pissed off and spoke about how poorly treated/rewarded they felt from the club everyone would be slating the club right now. Please, please dont tell me you think anyone at this club has been poorly treated or rewarded. By the owners, the manager, anyone. I mean, just PLEASE do not. This club has MADE some of those players.
crazyleicester Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Great input from the OP. He has been let down big time. He could have done what so many managers and moaned his ass off but he always backs his players. Unfortunately the man upstairs (not Top LOL) has decided to mess with us this season. Its so weird that we have gone from a side that were luckier than our opponents on marginal decisions, avoided injuries and only had a couple of banned players, got the rub of the green on the pitch and basically anything we tried worked. Unfortunately this season has been the total opposite. Burnley players playing basketball to get a late winner. Vardy not getting penos when he could have got two tonight and also every shot he has seemed to go in. Mahrez dropping the shoulder and scoring wonder goals and this season he has just lost it. Just everything has been a nightmare and a bit of a leveller. However, we won the title and we have some very good players so our season isnt over. One finally thing and I doubt its happened yet, I really want Claudio to go absolutely apeshite at them and tear them a new one. I reckon he is being this respectable genetleman but I want that one that was rumoured at Chelsea of being ruthless. I really want him to shake things up big time with these guys and if he cant convince them to snap out of this fudgin hangover, I reckon he will walk before he is sacked.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 5 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Bring Pearson back. Because he knows, how it feels to be at the bottom of the table for months on end? Great idea!!
Donut Posted 31 January 2017 Author Posted 31 January 2017 19 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Ultimately though it's the manager that takes responsibility. He's managing these players, regardless of whether they are good enough or not. It's his team playing his way. Ranieri took the credit winning the league and takes the credit now it's this shite. Remember when Pearson was here under pressure... certain people including OP didn't blame the players it was (rightfully) down to the manager... fortunately for Pearson though he got us out of a rut. Getting out of a rut is harder than getting in to a rut. This is correct, i did blame Pearson for the situation and i thought at the time, he should have lost his job. What i would also say is, his record in two spells speaks for itself, he did excellently with us. I want to point out, im not saying Claudio is blameless. Far from it. He takes his share of the blame. But he is being let down so badly right now and honestly, i think its too simplistic to point the finger solely at him. The issues run deeper and they clearly didnt exist last season. And that wasnt because of "momentum" or whatever either. There has been a fundamental shift in attitudes across the whole club, coupled with bad strategic decisions, that are not giving him chance to implement ideas on the field.
Thracian Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 41 minutes ago, WoodyFox said: He doesn't decide who we sign, so effectively he's being given players and is trying to make it work. A good manager and coach will work with what he's given and make his annoyance quite clear to the owners if he gets anyone who doesn't fit in. And there, strangely, may be at least one root cause of our problems. The feeling that our current squad of players don't fit in. Not like last season's team. That's why old hands like Ulloa, Schlupp, Benny and others got so aggrieved and why some of the newer signings have not been able to establish themselves. I imagine it's made for factions within the club and that's like a cancer. More than that, if the owners are sourcing their signings for financial rather than football reasons they're creating a nightmare that won't easily go away. I've always said that football is people trading but there's a special skill to it and it's all about gathering a group that gets on and seeing that they stay that way for as long as possible. That means signings arriving one or two at a time and then after great consideration. Not in numbers as we've had and so many of them from different backgrounds, speaking different languages and all trying to settle at roughly the same time or one after the other.
Monsell1976 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 1 hour ago, Donut said: Ranieri is attracting a lot of criticism. Hes made mistakes this season and thats clear. But before his seemingly inevitable departure from the club, i want to get this off my chest: 1) This club has treated these players like royalty off the back of what they did last season. And have they given anything back? anything at all? Course they havent. Because they are the epitome of the modern footballer, self centred, selfish, arrogant and detached. Happy as larry one moment, throwing toys out the pram the next 2) The post match interviews. All Ranieri has ever done, is try to protect the players, never dig anyone out, and keep a positive atmosphere around the club. Again, have the players appreciated this? have they fvck. And yet, if he started digging people out which he should have done long ago, youd have plenty of people on here complaining he shouldnt have done that. 3) The senior players. Could you be bothered to stand up and be counted? course you couldnt. Players who were clamouring for an opportunity to play, have you staked your claim? course you havent. Youve got the perfect excuse for all your failings, hide behind the man who helped you win the league, when you could be bothered. 4) The man inspired Leicester to win the league. We bin him off, we bin off a man capable of winning the league. We probably wont ever have a manager of that quality ever. Or certainly for a long, long time. 5) Claudio is obviously left carrying the can for everyones failings behind the scenes. HE IS NOT BLAMELESS, lets be clear on that. But Shakespeare, Stowell, Benetti, the sports scientists, WALSH (for some of his recommendations). Claudio is going to carry all of your blame. 6) Those shouting their heads off for Claudio to go have about as much respect as the players. There is absolutely no need for the level of vitriol Claudio has attracted. It is way over the top. You can call for a manager to go in a dignified way, and when youre talking about a man whos given you the best days of your Leicester supporting lives, you should show this man significantly more respect than he receives from this forum. Spot on, but something has to give, and by the way, must be a record for Rep points for a post
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 Fantastic post from the OP. Many reasons why we are down at the bottom, and the lack of respect Claudio is getting is an embarrassment to our club. Looking at it from a different perspective, these players (and staff, owners etc) made Claudio a successful manager. Before that in his 30 year career he has won nothing of note, and generally has a shelf life of 18/24 months before his success starts to dwindle. The test of a true great manager is how he can motivate his team when things aren't going well, not how to steer an easy ship when things are perfect. I always get bored of arguments decending into a Pearson v Ranieri bitchfest, but even when we were well adrift 2 years back, the players never seemed like they had turned it in (Except Southampton away) and generally had a gameplan of what we were trying to do, and play some decent football. Of course back then the players weren't big time Charlies who had nothing to prove, but part of Ranieri's job is to keep the players motivated and continually push them to better things. Time will tell as to whether Claudio stays or not, but whatever happens he will give us the best memories an lcfc fan has ever experienced, so treat him with the grace and respect that he deserves, whether you want him sacked or not.
iancognito Posted 31 January 2017 Posted 31 January 2017 This post is 50 shades of awesome. The problems started when one by one they queued up at the door to sign their new contracts. As soon as you give them everything they demand, the wages, the cars, the bonuses, the perks, you take all motivation away to succeed again. The Great Escape team was largely the one that came up from the Championship and they fought for their lives because they didn't want to go down to that shithole again. No-one knew the players, no-one wanted the players. This season, they've got it all. Maxed out money, long term deals and hey, if we go down, fvck it, someone will buy me because I'm in the Ballon D'or list/something special now. Don't get me started on the dire recruitment. Rummaging around in the bargain basements of Europe when we're PL Champions and still in the CL. If anyone should be fired it's the scouting and recruitment side. Ranieri could have a bullwhip and light sticks of dynamite under this lot - so could his eventual successor - but they don't give a flying fvck because they're "it".
China Black Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 The players are letting the manager down. This is not the Champions that are performing. This is a team that blew it greatest ever chance of glory that is performing, and is feeling the negative effects of that missed opportunity.
justfoxes Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 1 hour ago, Donut said: Ranieri is attracting a lot of criticism. Hes made mistakes this season and thats clear. But before his seemingly inevitable departure from the club, i want to get this off my chest: 1) This club has treated these players like royalty off the back of what they did last season. And have they given anything back? anything at all? Course they havent. Because they are the epitome of the modern footballer, self centred, selfish, arrogant and detached. Happy as larry one moment, throwing toys out the pram the next 2) The post match interviews. All Ranieri has ever done, is try to protect the players, never dig anyone out, and keep a positive atmosphere around the club. Again, have the players appreciated this? have they fvck. And yet, if he started digging people out which he should have done long ago, youd have plenty of people on here complaining he shouldnt have done that. 3) The senior players. Could you be bothered to stand up and be counted? course you couldnt. Players who were clamouring for an opportunity to play, have you staked your claim? course you havent. Youve got the perfect excuse for all your failings, hide behind the man who helped you win the league, when you could be bothered. 4) The man inspired Leicester to win the league. We bin him off, we bin off a man capable of winning the league. We probably wont ever have a manager of that quality ever. Or certainly for a long, long time. 5) Claudio is obviously left carrying the can for everyones failings behind the scenes. HE IS NOT BLAMELESS, lets be clear on that. But Shakespeare, Stowell, Benetti, the sports scientists, WALSH (for some of his recommendations). Claudio is going to carry all of your blame. 6) Those shouting their heads off for Claudio to go have about as much respect as the players. There is absolutely no need for the level of vitriol Claudio has attracted. It is way over the top. You can call for a manager to go in a dignified way, and when youre talking about a man whos given you the best days of your Leicester supporting lives, you should show this man significantly more respect than he receives from this forum. WELL SAID !!
justfoxes Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 57 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Bring Pearson back. Are you an ostrich for fooks sake the bloke is a liability a time bomb ffs no more bring back Pearson no thankyou fook off bollox to that !!
HankMarvin Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 5 minutes ago, iancognito said: This post is 50 shades of awesome. The problems started when one by one they queued up at the door to sign their new contracts. As soon as you give them everything they demand, the wages, the cars, the bonuses, the perks, you take all motivation away to succeed again. The Great Escape team was largely the one that came up from the Championship and they fought for their lives because they didn't want to go down to that shithole again. No-one knew the players, no-one wanted the players. This season, they've got it all. Maxed out money, long term deals and hey, if we go down, fvck it, someone will buy me because I'm in the Ballon D'or list/something special now. Don't get me started on the dire recruitment. Rummaging around in the bargain basements of Europe when we're PL Champions and still in the CL. If anyone should be fired it's the scouting and recruitment side. Ranieri could have a bullwhip and light sticks of dynamite under this lot - so could his eventual successor - but they don't give a flying fvck because they're "it". There are players in the team that were all ready millionaires I'm not sure the increase in wages makes that much difference. its one thing taking over a job when confidence is sky high and the team picks itself and no team talks are needed. this year it's the complete opposite there can't be 14 rotten eggs that have all become ego maniacs in 6 months. the players have no faith in his tactical ability like when he was quoted as saying the players tell me they don't want to change formation. i think that sums up were the power is in that relationship. lo and behold he changed it weeks later and we were beat 4-0 and 3-0. he then takes th blame for tinkering, well sorry but the players should fcking learn any formation the manager wants. They work for him. I don't think there is any respect there. these games are gonna get harder as opposition players can sense the lack of unity and moral is low.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 10 minutes ago, Hirsty The Blue 94 said: Fantastic post from the OP. Many reasons why we are down at the bottom, and the lack of respect Claudio is getting is an embarrassment to our club. Looking at it from a different perspective, these players (and staff, owners etc) made Claudio a successful manager. Before that in his 30 year career he has won nothing of note, and generally has a shelf life of 18/24 months before his success starts to dwindle. The test of a true great manager is how he can motivate his team when things aren't going well, not how to steer an easy ship when things are perfect. I always get bored of arguments decending into a Pearson v Ranieri bitchfest, but even when we were well adrift 2 years back, the players never seemed like they had turned it in (Except Southampton away) and generally had a gameplan of what we were trying to do, and play some decent football. Of course back then the players weren't big time Charlies who had nothing to prove, but part of Ranieri's job is to keep the players motivated and continually push them to better things. Time will tell as to whether Claudio stays or not, but whatever happens he will give us the best memories an lcfc fan has ever experienced, so treat him with the grace and respect that he deserves, whether you want him sacked or not. You can't compare the 2014/15 season with this one. Winning the title, against all odds and all logic, changed everything. Especially for the players. Pearson would have the same problems as Ranieri, in this season. It's a big difference between someone, who is hungry and someone, who has just enjoyed a lavish feast. Part of the blame lies with the owners, who overdid it with those new, generous contracts and those fancy cars. They did send the wrong signals to the players. Players, who, like everybody else at the club, had no idea, how to deal with that totally unexpected success, because it was the first in their life.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 9 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: There are players in the team that were all ready millionaires I'm not sure the increase in wages makes that much difference. Mahrez, Vardy and Drinkwater more than doubled their income. Wouldn't that make a difference to you? Btw.: Our best payed player, at the beginning of last season, was Jeff Schlupp. He was on 80k/week. Can you believe that? Jeff Schlupp. 80k/week. Madness. Pure, undiluted madness.
USFox Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 While I like your piece, I have to disagree that he was betrayed. Football is a business, like it or not, and in this business the money is in the winning. This team isn't winning, which means there needs to be a change. Either Ranieri needs to come up with a new idea and fast, or he needs to go.
adejo92 Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 If im honest i don't think the owners are even considering sacking him. We blame Ranieri because we don't know all the specific back room staff and departments that are also responsible.
chicagofox Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Excuses Excuses Excuses! Ranieri has been an atrocious manager since the moment the season kicked off at Hull. Poor team selections. Non existent tactics. Continually selecting under-performing players. The constant selection of Vardy and Drinkwater is reason enough for him to be sacked. He's shown absolutely nothing to suggest that he can arrest this slide. Make all the excuses for him that you want but reality is reality. Oh and anybody who thinks that the return of Nigel Pearson is the answer to our troubles is a twat.
HankMarvin Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 4 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Mahrez, Vardy and Drinkwater more than doubled their income. Wouldn't that make a difference to you? Btw.: Our best payed player, at the beginning of last season, was Jeff Schlupp. He was on 80k/week. Can you believe that? Jeff Schlupp. 80k/week. Madness. Pure, undiluted madness. My point is they were all ready millionaires
nnfox Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Nothing but love for Ranieri. I would happily sack 80% of the first team squad before changing Claudio. The hangover from partying all summer got us off to a bad start and we are stuck in a rut. Unfortunately I think Claudio will pay the price but if anyone thinks that getting a new man in at the top is going to solve our problems overnight, you are very much mistaken. Our problems are too deep and too complex not least compounded by our shambolic last two (actually three) transfer windows. I think we are just going to have to ride this one out and rebuild again next season. Fingers crossed we'll still be in the prem.
cruzFOX Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 we all know the buck stops with the manager always has & always will. This season we saw from the very beginning something wasn't right. Like many I refused to believe the crappy performances was going to become a worrying pattern. So here we are in January In a position where we are a few points from being dragged into the dreaded bottom 3. (Note that the teams below us all picked up points today.) im really trying hard to hold on any kind of optimism but its dwindling fast. What has happened to the fearless tight knit group that would fight for each other refusing to quit when the chips were down. There has been Rare glimpses so far but it's not going to be enough to save us. i want this nightmare to end and say can we just survive relegation this season and properly reset in the summer. I'm scared as hell that if we get relegated it will be as spectacular as our title win last season. Our owners cannot allow this happen! i like Claudio and want him to turn it around but at some point soon the owners & the fans are going to have to face some hard truths and make some uncomfortable decisions.
stix Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 6 hours ago, Donut said: There has been a fundamental shift in attitudes across the whole club.
volpeazzurro Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 7 hours ago, pSinatra said: 'If' Claudio has lost the dressing room, it doesn't matter who you are or what you do you are royally fvcked. Ask Mourinho. It's easier to blame the manager than get shot of half a dozen trouble-making players & they know it. That's 'if' he has lost the dressing room. It's pure speculation at this stage. You are right of course but all this nonsense about losing dressing rooms? It implies that players either dislike the personality of the manager or disagree with his tactics. Well if it's the second, I don't think that any of our journeymen are anywhere near the stature in the game or good enough to question his tactics. People highlight some of his so called 'strange' substitutions? Yet we were praising his insight last year. When he's made changes usually I can see what he's trying to do BUT none of it will work if players don't run around, track back and generally but effort in. Vardy and paticularly lazy Marhez typify this compared to last season! Either way, they are paid massive wages to do a job and they are not doing it! I'd get rid of half of these players before thinking of getting rid of Ranieri.
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