Thracian Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/30385/10779951/riyad-mahrez-jamie-vardy-and-rob-huths-leicester-drop-off-revealed This shows in black and white the disturbing and almost collective regression in our player performances over the current season in comparison with the title-winning year. You might expect a minor dip all round but nothing like the wholesale collapse detailed here. In truth I think the figures should be worse because fans are reluctant to mark their favourites lower than they can possibly get away with. Sadly the permanenty underutilised King is the only player to lift his performance levels and that despite having so many detractors who would clearly mark him down on the principle of doing what little they can to get him out of the team. The figures are condemning of the players and the failure of the management team to get anything like the best out of them. The question is why? And that needs to be answered and acted on. I refuse to accept it's all down to the manager.
crsleicester Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 At least Shinji has been consistent in his shiteness!
Thracian Posted 26 February 2017 Author Posted 26 February 2017 1 minute ago, crsleicester said: At least Shinji has been consistent in his shiteness! I still fail to see what anyone sees in him as a striker. He's just a supplementary midfielder who offers energy and next-to-nothing else.
crsleicester Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 minute ago, Thracian said: I still fail to see what anyone sees in him as a striker. He's just a supplementary midfielder who offers energy and next-to-nothing else. We could bang on forever about his limitations or inability (not quite decided ) to be honest but he is part of the problem at Leicester, players that simply aren't good enough that haven't been successfully replaced. A double edged sword for the owners unfortunately, crucified if they had got rid of some last year and slaughtered for not reinforcing very well. A victim of their own success it seems.
Thracian Posted 26 February 2017 Author Posted 26 February 2017 2 minutes ago, crsleicester said: We could bang on forever about his limitations or inability (not quite decided ) to be honest but he is part of the problem at Leicester, players that simply aren't good enough that haven't been successfully replaced. A double edged sword for the owners unfortunately, crucified if they had got rid of some last year and slaughtered for not reinforcing very well. A victim of their own success it seems. Apart from youngsters clearly bought for the future recruitment seems to be one of the simpler aspects of football management. You scout the target properly, do all the due diligence nececessary and only offer a contract when you know the potential recruit is an improvement on what you already have. There's no signs to me that we were actually looking for improvements. It's almost as if we wanted to keep the title-winning team and sign a few supplementary stand-ins to cover for injuries and unavailability. And if that was the case, whose policy was it? And if it was the manager's, why?
trabuch Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Thracian said: Apart from youngsters clearly bought for the future recruitment seems to be one of the simpler aspects of football management. You scout the target properly, do all the due diligence nececessary and only offer a contract when you know the potential recruit is an improvement on what you already have. There's no signs to me that we were actually looking for improvements. It's almost as if we wanted to keep the title-winning team and sign a few supplementary stand-ins to cover for injuries and unavailability. And if that was the case, whose policy was it? And if it was the manager's, why? Not unreasonable.
crsleicester Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 3 minutes ago, trabuch said: Not unreasonable. It isn't unreasonable but not on contracts they were put on, or with the notion that they have a divine right to play regardless. Had the club planned as it should have, it would have been looking at the ages of the players and been a fair way through the process of replacing them, regardless of the title win.
David Hankey Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 It's a fact too many players have underachieved, we all know that, and if we knew how to arrest the slide we'd all be doing the managers job. It's easy to pillory and play the blame game from armchairs and the terraces but the problem lies within the heads of the players. I accept the manager has made mistakes but show me someone who hasn't. The recruitment staff both past and present have also played a part and don't forget the owners who have sanctioned the spending of millions of pounds on players who have no EPL experience. Yes, we can all talk with the benefit of hindsight but no-one expected this season to turn out like it has done.
trabuch Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 minute ago, crsleicester said: It isn't unreasonable but not on contracts they were put on, or with the notion that they have a divine right to play regardless. Had the club planned as it should have, it would have been looking at the ages of the players and been a fair way through the process of replacing them, regardless of the title win. True. No one from the fans right through to Doris the tea lady (and Claudio) has been equiped to deal with what we did last year.
crsleicester Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 4 minutes ago, trabuch said: True. No one from the fans right through to Doris the tea lady (and Claudio) has been equiped to deal with what we did last year. Granted but the ages of the playing squad wasn't some 5000-1 fluke was it? 30 odd year olds with a title win under their belt? In most cases, it is seen a career peak reached and now time to start thinking of the new career. Easy to say in retrospect I suppose.
Callabinho Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 The club is to blame, but replacing the manager is the quickest way to try to improve things...it's obvious that the players have been tragically short this season, but there's more psychology to it, not just the fact they can't be arsed..... From top to bottom everything has been wrong, it started wrong and we've not been able to put it right, I don't believe in a player 'revolt' words have probably been exchanged and conversations had but I refuse to accept the players plotted Ranieri's demise...that's shit you see in Disney films. Look back to the pre-season, it was so lethargic it was untrue, faluire to retain key members from the club both playing and backroom staff set us off on a sour note. Only an opinion, but I feel Walsh left over the contract dispute's, the loss of Kante and disagreements over targets. I think we let Kante go without really fighting for him, and subsequently replaced him (despite what the club say) with Mendy, who has proven to be a disaster. That I feel is Claudio's fault, he's a very stubborn man when it comes to such issues, and as a result we've made possibly one decent signing out of the lot and that's N'didi. The constant awards and gifts pre-season haven't helped, I think it's hindered our progression this season, the lads have been hailed as hero's (and rightly so of course), but I don't think it's helped the mentality on the pitch. All we can say is we've observed a horrible decline on the pitch, we're not functioning properly, we look disjointed, unfit and no team ethic..unfortunately this again is down to the manager, and his team around him...there's no doubt that Ranieri felt the pressure, he wouldn't want to let this slip he wouldn't want to let it all go, he loves this club and those lads and I think in desperation to try and put it right, it's all gone horribly wrong. These stories of back stabbing, and plotting to over throw the manager is bollocks, and if you actually think these lads would do such a thing then shame on you.... The reality is we've sleepwalked into the season, last season catapulted these lads into the unknown, Vardy was a none league player a few seasons ago for ****s sake, and now he's a premier league champion? We've made a mess of the transition, the whole club has and it can't really be blamed...Claudio tried his best but I think as things became more desperate the club started to fall apart, the owners had to take action, and they went for a drastic and heartbreaking decision, but it was the right thing to do....we were falling by the wayside and I don't think it could remain the way it was, relationships had been broken, faith lost and belief destroyed...like I said no one person is to blame, the WHOLE club is, we have stumbled into the unknown and haven't dealt with it...and unfortunately Claudio has taken the fall for it.. One thing I ask it don't let the media blind you, don't let the papers fool you, we're not stupid little Leicester...we know our football club, and we know what has gone wrong deep down. All I ask is get behind the lads and let's get this shit storm of a season back on track. Please?
weller54 Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 9 minutes ago, trabuch said: True. No one from the fans right through to Doris the tea lady (and Claudio) has been equiped to deal with what we did last year. I heard Doris struggled to deal with the transition from making Builder's tea to Earl Grey... The Player's rebelled and went to see Top... She was sacked! Player's are asking for James Pearson to come back and be the next Tea-Lad! He's stewing on the proposition.
crsleicester Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Callabinho said: The club is to blame, but replacing the manager is the quickest way to try to improve things...it's obvious that the players have been tragically short this season, but there's more psychology to it, not just the fact they can't be arsed..... From top to bottom everything has been wrong, it started wrong and we've not been able to put it right, I don't believe in a player 'revolt' words have probably been exchanged and conversations had but I refuse to accept the players plotted Ranieri's demise...that's shit you see in Disney films. Look back to the pre-season, it was so lethargic it was untrue, faluire to retain key members from the club both playing and backroom staff set us off on a sour note. Only an opinion, but I feel Walsh left over the contract dispute's, the loss of Kante and disagreements over targets. I think we let Kante go without really fighting for him, and subsequently replaced him (despite what the club say) with Mendy, who has proven to be a disaster. That I feel is Claudio's fault, he's a very stubborn man when it comes to such issues, and as a result we've made possibly one decent signing out of the lot and that's N'didi. The constant awards and gifts pre-season haven't helped, I think it's hindered our progression this season, the lads have been hailed as hero's (and rightly so of course), but I don't think it's helped the mentality on the pitch. All we can say is we've observed a horrible decline on the pitch, we're not functioning properly, we look disjointed, unfit and no team ethic..unfortunately this again is down to the manager, and his team around him...there's no doubt that Ranieri felt the pressure, he wouldn't want to let this slip he wouldn't want to let it all go, he loves this club and those lads and I think in desperation to try and put it right, it's all gone horribly wrong. These stories of back stabbing, and plotting to over throw the manager is bollocks, and if you actually think these lads would do such a thing then shame on you.... The reality is we've sleepwalked into the season, last season catapulted these lads into the unknown, Vardy was a none league player a few seasons ago for ****s sake, and now he's a premier league champion? We've made a mess of the transition, the whole club has and it can't really be blamed...Claudio tried his best but I think as things became more desperate the club started to fall apart, the owners had to take action, and they went for a drastic and heartbreaking decision, but it was the right thing to do....we were falling by the wayside and I don't think it could remain the way it was, relationships had been broken, faith lost and belief destroyed...like I said no one person is to blame, the WHOLE club is, we have stumbled into the unknown and haven't dealt with it...and unfortunately Claudio has taken the fall for it.. One thing I ask it don't let the media blind you, don't let the papers fool you, we're not stupid little Leicester...we know our football club, and we know what has gone wrong deep down. All I ask is get behind the lads and let's get this shit storm of a season back on track. Please? I think you are pretty much spot on to be honest. The holiday and celebrations weren't halted quick enough from top to bottom and it left little time to get prepared.
surrifox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 21 minutes ago, weller54 said: I heard Doris struggled to deal with the transition from making Builder's tea to Earl Grey... The Player's rebelled and went to see Top... She was sacked! Player's are asking for James Pearson to come back and be the next Tea-Lad! He's stewing on the proposition. That must have put everyone under strain. Maybe that's why we lost in the cup last week
Thracian Posted 26 February 2017 Author Posted 26 February 2017 51 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Underutilised King? I laugh too because, like others, I've not believed he's the answer as our supply man since he stopped having the legs to get forward. But with the likes of Mendy, Amartey and Drinkwater (except for one pass in Seville) being almost totally unable to deliver any kind of telling or accurate passes, nor show any signs of scoring, that's what I think. And its further condemnation. We've known we've needed creative/accurate and fast passers of the ball for ages. It's only one of many problems that have been allowed to fester. We've done nothing about it yet the press bleat on about the savagery of sacking Ranieri.
Tuna Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Why has this happened? I said in the summer we missed a golden opportunity to make the most of our fame and status to bring in high quality players to push the current lot on. I think in any job competition is healthy; if you are never pushed you'll go stale which is exactly what has happened here. It wasn't rectified in January either. We have changed the way we play; what happened to the high press? Players need to have a long look at themselves though as ultimately they have got us into this mess and now are our only hope to get out of it. They are good enough.
EGBFitness Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 hour ago, Callabinho said: The club is to blame, but replacing the manager is the quickest way to try to improve things...it's obvious that the players have been tragically short this season, but there's more psychology to it, not just the fact they can't be arsed..... From top to bottom everything has been wrong, it started wrong and we've not been able to put it right, I don't believe in a player 'revolt' words have probably been exchanged and conversations had but I refuse to accept the players plotted Ranieri's demise...that's shit you see in Disney films. Look back to the pre-season, it was so lethargic it was untrue, faluire to retain key members from the club both playing and backroom staff set us off on a sour note. Only an opinion, but I feel Walsh left over the contract dispute's, the loss of Kante and disagreements over targets. I think we let Kante go without really fighting for him, and subsequently replaced him (despite what the club say) with Mendy, who has proven to be a disaster. That I feel is Claudio's fault, he's a very stubborn man when it comes to such issues, and as a result we've made possibly one decent signing out of the lot and that's N'didi. The constant awards and gifts pre-season haven't helped, I think it's hindered our progression this season, the lads have been hailed as hero's (and rightly so of course), but I don't think it's helped the mentality on the pitch. All we can say is we've observed a horrible decline on the pitch, we're not functioning properly, we look disjointed, unfit and no team ethic..unfortunately this again is down to the manager, and his team around him...there's no doubt that Ranieri felt the pressure, he wouldn't want to let this slip he wouldn't want to let it all go, he loves this club and those lads and I think in desperation to try and put it right, it's all gone horribly wrong. These stories of back stabbing, and plotting to over throw the manager is bollocks, and if you actually think these lads would do such a thing then shame on you.... The reality is we've sleepwalked into the season, last season catapulted these lads into the unknown, Vardy was a none league player a few seasons ago for ****s sake, and now he's a premier league champion? We've made a mess of the transition, the whole club has and it can't really be blamed...Claudio tried his best but I think as things became more desperate the club started to fall apart, the owners had to take action, and they went for a drastic and heartbreaking decision, but it was the right thing to do....we were falling by the wayside and I don't think it could remain the way it was, relationships had been broken, faith lost and belief destroyed...like I said no one person is to blame, the WHOLE club is, we have stumbled into the unknown and haven't dealt with it...and unfortunately Claudio has taken the fall for it.. One thing I ask it don't let the media blind you, don't let the papers fool you, we're not stupid little Leicester...we know our football club, and we know what has gone wrong deep down. All I ask is get behind the lads and let's get this shit storm of a season back on track. Please?
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 10 minutes ago, Thracian said: I laugh too because, like others, I've not believed he's the answer as our supply man since he stopped having the legs to get forward. But with the likes of Mendy, Amartey and Drinkwater (except for one pass in Seville) being almost totally unable to deliver any kind of telling or accurate passes, nor show any signs of scoring, that's what I think. And its further condemnation. We've known we've needed creative/accurate and fast passers of the ball for ages. It's only one of many problems that have been allowed to fester. We've done nothing about it yet the press bleat on about the savagery of sacking Ranieri. You are right. Though we do know that Drinkwater CAN pick a good forward pass. But the others....Mendy, Amartey in particular... despite all the nonsense on here saying they are going to be great for the club etc... they are garbage going forward. They can't pass more than ten yards. We have signed some rubbish I'm afraid. Its time for the new man to come in, kick some arse, and get rid of the crap. We've got rebuilding to do.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Stats to back up what we already know!
Stadt Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Whoscored isn't the best source really, their team of the year is just full of defenders who scored the most goals.
Clever Fox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 hour ago, Thracian said: Apart from youngsters clearly bought for the future recruitment seems to be one of the simpler aspects of football management. You scout the target properly, do all the due diligence nececessary and only offer a contract when you know the potential recruit is an improvement on what you already have. There's no signs to me that we were actually looking for improvements. It's almost as if we wanted to keep the title-winning team and sign a few supplementary stand-ins to cover for injuries and unavailability. And if that was the case, whose policy was it? And if it was the manager's, why? It really is that simple how so called professional people can get it so wrong is baffling. Your second paragraph is also right. It seems someone at the club decided we were good enough for another challenge. If that wasn't CR then he should have come out and said so. I mean we all new we weren't good enough and needed quality additions.
ozleicester Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 hour ago, Callabinho said: The club is to blame, but replacing the manager is the quickest way to try to improve things...it's obvious that the players have been tragically short this season, but there's more psychology to it, not just the fact they can't be arsed..... From top to bottom everything has been wrong, it started wrong and we've not been able to put it right, I don't believe in a player 'revolt' words have probably been exchanged and conversations had but I refuse to accept the players plotted Ranieri's demise...that's shit you see in Disney films. Look back to the pre-season, it was so lethargic it was untrue, faluire to retain key members from the club both playing and backroom staff set us off on a sour note. Only an opinion, but I feel Walsh left over the contract dispute's, the loss of Kante and disagreements over targets. I think we let Kante go without really fighting for him, and subsequently replaced him (despite what the club say) with Mendy, who has proven to be a disaster. That I feel is Claudio's fault, he's a very stubborn man when it comes to such issues, and as a result we've made possibly one decent signing out of the lot and that's N'didi. The constant awards and gifts pre-season haven't helped, I think it's hindered our progression this season, the lads have been hailed as hero's (and rightly so of course), but I don't think it's helped the mentality on the pitch. All we can say is we've observed a horrible decline on the pitch, we're not functioning properly, we look disjointed, unfit and no team ethic..unfortunately this again is down to the manager, and his team around him...there's no doubt that Ranieri felt the pressure, he wouldn't want to let this slip he wouldn't want to let it all go, he loves this club and those lads and I think in desperation to try and put it right, it's all gone horribly wrong. These stories of back stabbing, and plotting to over throw the manager is bollocks, and if you actually think these lads would do such a thing then shame on you.... The reality is we've sleepwalked into the season, last season catapulted these lads into the unknown, Vardy was a none league player a few seasons ago for ****s sake, and now he's a premier league champion? We've made a mess of the transition, the whole club has and it can't really be blamed...Claudio tried his best but I think as things became more desperate the club started to fall apart, the owners had to take action, and they went for a drastic and heartbreaking decision, but it was the right thing to do....we were falling by the wayside and I don't think it could remain the way it was, relationships had been broken, faith lost and belief destroyed...like I said no one person is to blame, the WHOLE club is, we have stumbled into the unknown and haven't dealt with it...and unfortunately Claudio has taken the fall for it.. One thing I ask it don't let the media blind you, don't let the papers fool you, we're not stupid little Leicester...we know our football club, and we know what has gone wrong deep down. All I ask is get behind the lads and let's get this shit storm of a season back on track. Please? Too long, didnt read... but may i offer my congratulations for out "Thrac"ing...Thracian
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