Spudulike Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 The media decide who are the 'big' clubs. You can't be a 'big' club in the Midlands unless you are called Aston Villa (apart from Wolves, of course, because they had floodlights in the 1950's).
foxy boxing Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 Charlton in the top twenty five and bigger than us,that's how you know it's fake news
stripeyfox Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 At least everyone can agree that Coventry are shit
Spudulike Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 Yeah, we all know that football existed before 1992 (didn't it??) but I think with the Premier League now being a quarter of a century old it qualifies as an 'era' (the modern era). This is the table that arguably is most relevant ... https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeLeagueTable?comp_code=EPL
4everfox Posted 3 March 2017 Author Posted 3 March 2017 54 minutes ago, Terraloon said: Didn't Blackburn win the PL? Yes and they also won the old division one many times, hence why they are so surprisingly high.
gerrytaggart Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 Manchester City 666. Coincidence??..I think not. Congrats for taking your time to compile this list....however the only real stat that counts is in the last 20 years we are the 6th most successful club in the country. More top end silverware than the likes of Spurs and Villa combined.
4everfox Posted 3 March 2017 Author Posted 3 March 2017 ***UPDATE*** - Includes the removal of the points deduction for seasons spent outside of the top flight 1 - Manchester United 1417 2 - Arsenal 1012 3 - Liverpool 969 4 - Chelsea 819 5 - Everton 777 6 - Tottenham Hotspur 746 7 - Newcastle United 736 8 - Aston Villa 722 9 - Manchester City 707 10 - Sunderland 662 11 - Wolverhampton Wanderers 597 12 - Sheffield Wednesday 551 13 - West Bromwich Alison 521 14 - Leeds United 502 15 - Bolton Wanderers 466 16 - Derby County 465 17 - Birmingham City 464 18 - Blackburn Rovers 459 19 - Nottingham Forest 453 20 - Portsmouth 448 21 - Sheffield United 444 22 - Charlton Athletic 441 23 - West Ham United 440 24 - Middlesbrough 440 25 - Burnley 430 26 - LEICESTER CITY 429 27 - Preston North End 421 28 - Cardiff City 410 29 - Notts County 399 30 - Coventry City 391 31 - Stoke City 386 32 - Hull City 379 33 - Huddersfield Town 378 34 - Fulham 367 35 - Southampton 364 36 - Norwich City 330 37 - Crystal Palace 328 38 - Ipswich Town 324 39 - Blackpool 301 40 - Brighton & Hove Albion 285 41 - Bristol City 284 42 - Millwall 278 43 - Queens Park Rangers 275 44 - Brentford 271 45 - Reading 258 46 - Swansea City 249 47 - Bradford City 246 48 - Luton Town 239 49 - Bury 233 50 - Wigan Athletic 221 51 - Barnsley 220 52 - Swindon Town 209 53 - Watford 207 54 - Oldham Athletic 194 55 - Northampton Town 191 56 - Bournemouth 178 57 - Leyton Orient 177 58 - Grimsby Town 169 59 - Carlisle United 155 60 - Oxford United 127
Ted Maul Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 7 minutes ago, 4everfox said: ***UPDATE*** - Includes the removal of the points deduction for seasons spent outside of the top flight 1 - Manchester United 1417 2 - Arsenal 1012 3 - Liverpool 969 4 - Chelsea 819 5 - Everton 777 6 - Tottenham Hotspur 746 7 - Newcastle United 736 8 - Aston Villa 722 9 - Manchester City 707 10 - Sunderland 662 11 - Wolverhampton Wanderers 597 12 - Sheffield Wednesday 551 13 - West Bromwich Alison 521 14 - Leeds United 502 15 - Bolton Wanderers 466 16 - Derby County 465 17 - Birmingham City 464 18 - Blackburn Rovers 459 19 - Nottingham Forest 453 20 - Portsmouth 448 21 - Sheffield United 444 22 - Charlton Athletic 441 23 - West Ham United 440 24 - Middlesbrough 440 25 - Burnley 430 26 - LEICESTER CITY 429 27 - Preston North End 421 28 - Cardiff City 410 29 - Notts County 399 30 - Coventry City 391 31 - Stoke City 386 32 - Hull City 379 33 - Huddersfield Town 378 34 - Fulham 367 35 - Southampton 364 36 - Norwich City 330 37 - Crystal Palace 328 38 - Ipswich Town 324 39 - Blackpool 301 40 - Brighton & Hove Albion 285 41 - Bristol City 284 42 - Millwall 278 43 - Queens Park Rangers 275 44 - Brentford 271 45 - Reading 258 46 - Swansea City 249 47 - Bradford City 246 48 - Luton Town 239 49 - Bury 233 50 - Wigan Athletic 221 51 - Barnsley 220 52 - Swindon Town 209 53 - Watford 207 54 - Oldham Athletic 194 55 - Northampton Town 191 56 - Bournemouth 178 57 - Leyton Orient 177 58 - Grimsby Town 169 59 - Carlisle United 155 60 - Oxford United 127 I'm still struggling to work out how Charlton are above us... Is it purely because they had a couple of massive open terraces and averaged 40,000 in the 1930s? How are Hull so high as well? They've spent 4 seasons in the top flight, never won anything, highest ever finish of 16th and never won the second tier?
Merging Cultures Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 I haven't been able to read anything else since interpenetrate!
Fox42 Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 10 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: I'm still struggling to work out how Charlton are above us... Is it purely because they had a couple of massive open terraces and averaged 40,000 in the 1930s? How are Hull so high as well? They've spent 4 seasons in the top flight, never won anything, highest ever finish of 16th and never won the second tier? Hull have spent a couple of seasons in Europe recently, haven't they. Only boost I can think of.
Ted Maul Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 Just now, Fox42 said: Hull have spent a couple of season in Europe recently, haven't they. Only boost I can think of. I think they lost in their Europa League qualifier- they're also above Fulham, who made it to the final
Lako42 Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 13 hours ago, 4everfox said: Its just for fun. Surprisingly Burnley have spent more years in the top flight then Leicester have. Half of our fans thought Everton had never won the league.......
Fox42 Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 36 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: I think they lost in their Europa League qualifier- they're also above Fulham, who made it to the final I've looked back at their history; they've had 11 promotions over around 100 years so that has played a part, too. But I do find it baffling that they're above Southampton, Palace, Norwich and Ipswich. 11 promotions can't be the reason why they're 33rd. They were in the third division in 2004
4everfox Posted 3 March 2017 Author Posted 3 March 2017 52 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: I'm still struggling to work out how Charlton are above us... Is it purely because they had a couple of massive open terraces and averaged 40,000 in the 1930s? How are Hull so high as well? They've spent 4 seasons in the top flight, never won anything, highest ever finish of 16th and never won the second tier? Charlton were awarded the following points based on my updated formula: - 26 points for seasons spent in the top flight - 8 points for league wins - 5 points for cup wins - 402 points for their average attendance record Leicester's points are divided as follows: - 50 points for seasons spent in top flight - 46 points for league wins - 16 points for cup wins - 316 points for our average attendance record - 1 point for qualifying for the Champions League Here's Hull: - 5 points for seasons spent in top flight - 1 point for league wins - 0 points for cup wins - 373 points for their average attendance record Table based on success alone (I've used the old formula for this one as I can't be bothered to do the math, so seasons spent out of top flight will still deduct points): 1 - Manchester United 622 2 - Liverpool 466 3 - Arsenal 383 4 - Chelsea 308 5 - Everton 246 6 - Aston Villa 225 7 - Manchester City 196 8 - Tottenham Hotspur 144 9 - Sunderland 142 10 - Newcastle United 134 11 - Blackburn Rovers 107 12 - West Bromwich Albion 83 13 - Wolverhampton Wanderers 77 14 - Sheffield Wednesday 62 15 - Leeds United 57 16 - Nottingham Forest 53 17 - Bolton Wanderers 52 18 - Derby County 42 19 - LEICESTER CITY 34 20 - West Ham United 30 21 - Sheffield United 26 22 - Burnley 19 23 - Middlesbrough 11 24 - Birmingham City 8 25 - Preston North End 6 26 - Stoke City 3 27 - Huddersfield Town 1 28 - Portsmouth -8 29 - Norwich City -33 30 - Ipswich Town -34 31 - Charlton Athletic - 37 32 - Southampton - 41 33 - Notts County -41 34 - Wigan Athletic - 48 35 - Coventry City -51 36 - Blackpool -53 37 - Fulham -57 38 - Crystal Palace -58 39 - Queens Park Rangers - 59 40 - Bury - 59 41 - Cardiff City - 61 42 - Swansea City -64 43 - Bradford City -71 44 - Luton Town -78 45 - Bristol City -85 46 - Grimsby Town - 85 47 - Oldham Athletic -86 48 - Brighton & Hove Albion -89 49 - Hull City -92 50 - Carlisle United -92 51 - Watford -96 52 - Bournemouth -96 53 - Reading -96 54 - Brentford -99 55 - Oxford United -100 56 - Northampton Town -104 57 - Swindon Town -109 58 - Barnsley -110 59 - Millwall - 112 60 - Leyton Orient - 116 Having seen that table again I think I will do the math after all when I get a chance.
Ted Maul Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 9 minutes ago, 4everfox said: Charlton were awarded the following points based on my updated formula: - 26 points for seasons spent in the top flight - 8 points for league wins - 5 points for cup wins - 402 points for their average attendance record Leicester's points are divided as follows: - 50 points for seasons spent in top flight - 46 points for league wins - 16 points for cup wins - 316 points for our average attendance record - 1 point for qualifying for the Champions League Here's Hull: - 5 points for seasons spent in top flight - 1 point for league wins - 0 points for cup wins - 373 points for their average attendance record Table based on success alone (I've used the old formula for this one as I can't be bothered to do the math, so seasons spent out of top flight will still deduct points): 1 - Manchester United 622 2 - Liverpool 466 3 - Arsenal 383 4 - Chelsea 308 5 - Everton 246 6 - Aston Villa 225 7 - Manchester City 196 8 - Tottenham Hotspur 144 9 - Sunderland 142 10 - Newcastle United 134 11 - Blackburn Rovers 107 12 - West Bromwich Albion 83 13 - Wolverhampton Wanderers 77 14 - Sheffield Wednesday 62 15 - Leeds United 57 16 - Nottingham Forest 53 17 - Bolton Wanderers 52 18 - Derby County 42 19 - LEICESTER CITY 34 20 - West Ham United 30 21 - Sheffield United 26 22 - Burnley 19 23 - Middlesbrough 11 24 - Birmingham City 8 25 - Preston North End 6 26 - Stoke City 3 27 - Huddersfield Town 1 28 - Portsmouth -8 29 - Norwich City -33 30 - Ipswich Town -34 31 - Charlton Athletic - 37 32 - Southampton - 41 33 - Notts County -41 34 - Wigan Athletic - 48 35 - Coventry City -51 36 - Blackpool -53 37 - Fulham -57 38 - Crystal Palace -58 39 - Queens Park Rangers - 59 40 - Bury - 59 41 - Cardiff City - 61 42 - Swansea City -64 43 - Bradford City -71 44 - Luton Town -78 45 - Bristol City -85 46 - Grimsby Town - 85 47 - Oldham Athletic -86 48 - Brighton & Hove Albion -89 49 - Hull City -92 50 - Carlisle United -92 51 - Watford -96 52 - Bournemouth -96 53 - Reading -96 54 - Brentford -99 55 - Oxford United -100 56 - Northampton Town -104 57 - Swindon Town -109 58 - Barnsley -110 59 - Millwall - 112 60 - Leyton Orient - 116 Having seen that table again I think I will do the math after all when I get a chance. Incredible that Hull have averaged 37,000- when was that?!
4everfox Posted 3 March 2017 Author Posted 3 March 2017 Just now, Ted Maul said: Incredible that Hull have averaged 37,000- when was that?! I don't recall the exact year but that is their record average over a season. I know there must be a more effective way of measuring a fan base because I'm with you and some of the posters who were a bit dubious about the likes of Burnley being above us and Hull being so high and it is because of this loophole in my formula. I intend to fix it.
Ted Maul Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 Just now, 4everfox said: I don't recall the exact year but that is their record average over a season. I know there must be a more effective way of measuring a fan base because I'm with you and some of the posters who were a bit dubious about the likes of Burnley being above us and Hull being so high and it is because of this loophole in my formula. I intend to fix it. I think it's a good system, the highest average attendance seems to throw up a few weird anomalies though!
murphy Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 The list looks about right to me. I remember seeing a similar list based on trophies won and we were about 24. God knows where we would have been pre 1997 though. How come Boro are ahead of us though? 1 league cup in their whole history.
wardyfox86 Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 Thank God Bolton didn't come in with a late bid for Ndidi, it may have been difficult to persuade him Interesting subjective read and I suppose it highlights how different people class certain things as criteria for 'bigness'
Webbo Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 It's an interesting idea and there have been other tables like this.What different facts you give the most weight to and how much will determine the positions. I'd say we've naturally somewhere between 18th and 25th so the table isn't far off
Koke Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 In the Premier League clubs by size, this is just my opinion. Manchester United Liverpool Arsenal Chelsea Everton Tottenham Manchester City Sunderland West Ham West Brom Leicester City Burnley Middlesbrough Southampton Stoke City Watford Crystal Palace Swansea City Hull City Bournemouth Some of these clubs are neck and neck lime Stoke and Southampton as well as Tottenham and Everton, and even West Brom and Leicester.
Fox92 Posted 3 March 2017 Posted 3 March 2017 2 hours ago, 4everfox said: Yes and they also won the old division one many times, hence why they are so surprisingly high. Not surprising. Blackburn have a wonderful history. Their FA Cup record is ridiculous.
4everfox Posted 3 March 2017 Author Posted 3 March 2017 Just now, Ted Maul said: I think it's a good system, the highest average attendance seems to throw up a few weird anomalies though! Yeah there's some crazy ones like West Brom averaging nearly 39k, Bolton nearly 36k, Wolves over 45k, Burnley over 33k, Coventry nearly 35k, Portsmouth 37k, Notts County 35k, Fulham 33k, Cardiff nearly 38k, Watford only 19k, Brentford nearly 26k, Bournemouth not even 17k, Millwall over 27k and Sunderland nearly 48k what's that about? Might take off half of those due to them leaving at half time every week. I've just checked and they'd be 19th on 381 points going by my original formula and it would put them just behind us in 27th on 424 points in my first updated table
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