DJ Barry Hammond Posted 7 May 2017 Author Share Posted 7 May 2017 Alf - they're going for a fried Brexit with a dippy yolk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 7 May 2017 Share Posted 7 May 2017 Brexit Benedict. Cumberbatch for new PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 7 May 2017 Share Posted 7 May 2017 1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: Alf - they're going for a fried Brexit with a dippy yolk. Well, we already have a dippy joke at the Foreign Office 16 minutes ago, bovril said: Brexit Benedict. Cumberbatch for new PM. Surely Brexit Benedict is a papist takeover led by the former Cardinal Ratzinger? We'll reverse history, get rid of all these "Henry VIII powers" over EU legislation, and hand power from Brussels to Rome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 7 May 2017 Share Posted 7 May 2017 Just now, Alf Bentley said: Well, we already have a dippy joke at the Foreign Office Surely Brexit Benedict is a papist takeover led by the former Cardinal Ratzinger? We'll reverse history, get rid of all these "Henry VIII powers" over EU legislation, and hand power from Brussels to Rome... Under the Catholic yoke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 4 hours ago, sphericalfox said: What does the number of Tory MPs in Parliament got to do with Brexit negotiation? It's another con. It won't help her negotiations. But she thinks it will protect her from her own party. She's unconfident she can convince her hard Brexit lobby on any compromise she'll make so she wants new Tory MPs she hopes she can instead. This, at least, is the theory the Financial Times ran with. They pointed to her enquiring about letting in eu labours after firms like wetherspoons and ministry of cake said they'd suffer without eu workers and then pointed out the hard brexiters would probably baulk at this. It may be true but it seems like something the financial times wants to be true since they are pro single market and May is not and so they're hoping she's changing her mind or at least comprising massively. But I'm not sure a monumental Tory majority will work this way. They will likely run the country as a one party state. Especially Corbyn Fans again overwhelm the membership election and vote him back in. This means the main thing that binds the Tories together - fighting Labour - will be lost or at least made irrelevant by their majority and Corbyn's incompetence. And the hard right faction will likely intensify. They won a referendum. And UKIP are stepping aside for them and opposing others. This just happened in Peterborough. Tory party factions may intensify and vie for policy power especially if the negotiations do not please all. It may be very tricky to deal with if she fails to unite them behind her and against a crippled Labour party. It may, perversely, be more difficult to rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 That said, as long as Labour don't do worse than Michel Foot (209 seats and 27%), and May can control her own party as well as Thatcher did then she may be okay. But calling an election for a buffer against your own party - if that's what she's done and people believe - then that doesn't bode well. And Thatcher wasn't negotiating the biggest piece of trade negotiation we've ever been though. And Thatcher wasn't on the losing side of a powerful Tory faction she knew she may later have to stab in the back or at least try. And Thatcher was fighting Labour by proxy - the miners and unions. It won't be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 5 hours ago, Emilio Lestavez said: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy If anyone has a few mins that's a really interesting article on the use of data, psyops and circumventing laws in this and other countries We've all been brainwashed, lets rejoined the EU . Sort of ignores the fact that big business was behind remain, the govt used the treasury to promote project fear and the EU had been unpopular for years but sure it was all a secret rightwing plot if it makes you feel better. If the Mail had come out with paranoid crap like it'd be laughed out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 2 hours ago, Webbo said: We've all been brainwashed, lets rejoined the EU . Sort of ignores the fact that big business was behind remain, the govt used the treasury to promote project fear and the EU had been unpopular for years but sure it was all a secret rightwing plot if it makes you feel better. If the Mail had come out with paranoid crap like it'd be laughed out of here. Yes clearly by saying 'this is interesting' i mean 'i agree with everything it says'. Nice attempt to reduce it all to a Daily Mail sized headline though. That should cover all you need to know without reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 21 minutes ago, Emilio Lestavez said: Yes clearly by saying 'this is interesting' i mean 'i agree with everything it says'. Nice attempt to reduce it all to a Daily Mail sized headline though. That should cover all you need to know without reading it. I did read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 Just now, Webbo said: I did read it. Do you want a sticker or a medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 13 hours ago, Webbo said: I did read it. You don't think there has been any wrong doing at all then? No worries, it's all above board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 58 minutes ago, sphericalfox said: You don't think there has been any wrong doing at all then? No worries, it's all above board? I think that all parties use firms like that to target voters. How much affect they have, who knows? Its in the interest of these firms to talk up their effectiveness but if they're that good how come 48% voted remain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 11 minutes ago, Webbo said: I think that all parties use firms like that to target voters. How much affect they have, who knows? Its in the interest of these firms to talk up their effectiveness but if they're that good how come 48% voted remain? You think, or you know? There's pretty hard evidence that there was deviousness on the Leave side, and that influence from an outside source. There is considerable money being thrown at changing votes to fit a wider agenda that no longer just fits the old Murdoch et al model of publishing bullshit propaganda via their mainstream means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 I think the concerning thing is that several pro-leave groups appear to have broken campaigning rules but that the regulator can do nothing because they used a shell company based in Canada to move the money around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 1 minute ago, sphericalfox said: You think, or you know? There's pretty hard evidence that there was deviousness on the Leave side, and that influence from an outside source. There is considerable money being thrown at changing votes to fit a wider agenda that no longer just fits the old Murdoch et al model of publishing bullshit propaganda via their mainstream means. Murdoch whose Times backed remain? You think big business was funding a campaign to deny them cheap labour? All the big banks threw big money at the remain campaign. Presumably their motives were purely altruistic? Why can't you just accept you lost fair and square? Are we going to have all this again when Corbyn amazingly loses the election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 Webbo is back Webbo is back Woah, woah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 7 minutes ago, Webbo said: Murdoch whose Times backed remain? You think big business was funding a campaign to deny them cheap labour? All the big banks threw big money at the remain campaign. Presumably their motives were purely altruistic? Why can't you just accept you lost fair and square? Are we going to have all this again when Corbyn amazingly loses the election? Did you actually read the article? Really? Did you understand how this methodology totally undermines a fair and democratic and governed system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 1 minute ago, sphericalfox said: Did you actually read the article? Really? Did you understand how this methodology totally undermines a fair and democratic and governed system? What about the £9 million leaflet drop by the govt prior to the election urging us to vote remain? How about using the treasury and BoE to spread project fear? Both sides played to win, just because your side lost you're claiming some sort of conspiracy. It's a bit pathetic tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: What about the £9 million leaflet drop by the govt prior to the election urging us to vote remain? How about using the treasury and BoE to spread project fear? Both sides played to win, just because your side lost you're claiming some sort of conspiracy. It's a bit pathetic tbh. So what you are saying is that if some foreign billionaire wants to manipulate the voting masses outside the rules set and governed by the system enabling a fair and democratic process, you're okay with it as long as it fits your outcome or political viewpoint. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 8 May 2017 Author Share Posted 8 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: What about the £9 million leaflet drop by the govt prior to the election urging us to vote remain? How about using the treasury and BoE to spread project fear? Both sides played to win, just because your side lost you're claiming some sort of conspiracy. It's a bit pathetic tbh. Wasn't the more disturbing issue within the article the methods and ends that were being used to target and influence people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 1 minute ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: Wasn't the more disturbing issue within the article the methods and ends that were being used to target and influence people? Apparently the country needs to accept the result regardless of how it gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 1 minute ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: Wasn't the more disturbing issue within the article the methods and ends that were being used to target and influence people? And you think only one side does that? As I said earlier, if they're that good how come 48% voted remain? Who are this secret cabal ? Is it the big international banks who poured money into the remain campaign? Is it the CBI who have been promoting the EU for years? Was the big business concerns who are funding Gina Miller's campaigns? Sure there were some rich individuals who wanted out, but maybe they disliked the EU for the same reasons as the 52%? Maybe their motives are as pure as Tony Blairs, Peter Mandelson. Alistair Campbell, Richard Branson's are for remain, or do all rich people who disagree with you have to be evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 12 minutes ago, Webbo said: And you think only one side does that? As I said earlier, if they're that good how come 48% voted remain? Who are this secret cabal ? Is it the big international banks who poured money into the remain campaign? Is it the CBI who have been promoting the EU for years? Was the big business concerns who are funding Gina Miller's campaigns? Sure there were some rich individuals who wanted out, but maybe they disliked the EU for the same reasons as the 52%? Maybe their motives are as pure as Tony Blairs, Peter Mandelson. Alistair Campbell, Richard Branson's are for remain, or do all rich people who disagree with you have to be evil? What you are failing to grasp, or deliberately ignoring, is the fact that this isn't just a Brexit issue. It's a plague on democracy regardless of what side you are on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 2 minutes ago, sphericalfox said: What you are failing to grasp, or deliberately ignoring, is the fact that this isn't just a Brexit issue. It's a plague on democracy regardless of what side you are on. If all sides do the same what's the difference? We're in the digital age, you can't uninvent this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 8 May 2017 Share Posted 8 May 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: If all sides do the same what's the difference? We're in the digital age, you can't uninvent this stuff. Jeesus wept. If some foreign billionaire is influencing the election to suit their needs, you're seemingly cool and complacent about it? Would you be so cool about it if the result was the other way around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.