Strokes Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 12 minutes ago, MattP said: It's still bad, they should know these things. Not on the level of the Shadow Chancellor not knowing the deficit mind. Yes a party promoting austerity and fiscal responsibility should be well versed. My point was it's no scandal, he is virtually a nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 3 hours ago, MattP said: Can't actually find direct quotes but a summary of the IFS press briefing here that says things very similar. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40057115 They werent too impressed with the Conservative one either it has to be said. It doesn't appear anyone is being realistic with the finances. Seems to be that the real position is: Tory - austerity and tax rises. Don't expect anything else to change (most likely scenario is that public services continue to get worse) Labour - spending with tax rises and borrowing. Public services should improve, nationalised industries are a step into the unknown to some extent (they worked for a period from the 40s before getting difficult in the 70s much as privatisation worked for a period then got difficult). It's basically do you want to keep spending tight but have crap and failing public services or do you want to spend, improve services, but see deficit reduction probably take longer. As you know, i think its a no contest as tory plans involve minimising tax revenues anyway as there's not enough money in the economy. Rather we pumped some money in and had a country left than destroy everything that remains as we've had for the last 7 years. Hope over fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Plonker. Pretty sick of the pub quiz questions anyway tbqh Yeah it's getting boring this bullshit line of one upmanship, the media make so many mistakes but seemingly no else is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Yeah it's getting boring this bullshit line of one upmanship, the media make so many mistakes but seemingly no else is allowed. It will get worse tonight, Paxman doing the interviews in the Sky/C4 debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 I wonder if this will have any impact on the election in N. Ireland? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40081929 Horrendous murder of a bloke in front of his 3-year-old son. Seems to be part of an internal Loyalist (UDA) feud. Don't suppose it will have much impact on voting over there. Will be interesting to see the results from N. Ireland as resolving the impasse at Stormont will be in the government's in-tray after the election. I assume voting will mainly be along tribal lines, as usual, but the turnout in different communities will be interesting, in the wake of the Brexit vote and Stormont breakdown. I've not seen any TV coverage of the election in N. Ireland. Would be interesting to know whether Brexit is a big issue over there, given concerns over the border. Brexit seems to have been forgotten about over here, due to furores over social care, the terror attack, leadership issues etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Raab is usually ok. That woman talking about Tory voters being complicit in disabled deaths was well below the belt stuff. She made her point within about 20 seconds of talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ousefox Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Looking forward to the Paxman interviews tonight. I wonder if he'll ask Corbyn if he's alright at the end! I've only really witnessed 2010 and 2015 elections and the level of incompetence on both sides is astounding in comparison - yet I read on twitter that if the polls are correct, the largest two parties will share more of the vote than they have in decades! One of my mates from uni is probably the most caricature Tory you will find and even he is saying he may spoil his ballot as he doesn't know whether he can vote for their manifesto. May trying to win an election by hiding is an unusual strategy and something she has done throughout her political career. If the Tories manage to throw this away, she will be remembered as one of the most useless politicians ever. I do not feel confident with her handling Brexit whatsoever. The less said about Labour the better. Corbyn has to turn up to the debate and call May's bluff - it would be madness not to imo. He should sack Abbott immediately if he wants any chance of making his gains pay off. Assuming May wins, it's going to be a very interesting 5 years. Finances will be squeezed further, nobody knows how much of a success we can make out of Brexit, and after 12 years of Tory rule the public might swing in favour of a 'change' whatever the opposition is. That's why it'll be interesting to see whether Labour stay as far to the left as they currently are as I believe they will stand a good chance by 2022 even in their current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Even if Labour move towards the centre I think whoever takes charge needs the approval of Corbyn if they are going to win power by 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 They will also have to stop members leaving to join the Greens as what happened after and during Blairs reign. I wonder how many members have left while Corbyn has been leader compared to those thar have joined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 My chief concern watching how Labour's key figures carry themselves in interviews is that a vote for Labour could be much like a vote for Trump in that they spend a lot of time saying things that the electorate wants to hear but if you're willing to cast the most mildly critical of gazes upon it there's no real reason to believe they know how to drive the car you're handing them the keys to. Obviously to a far lesser degree than over the pond but the sense of it being a vote for incompetence still lingers very heavily. The trouble is that Theresa May's even more Trump-like with her repetitious lying (strong & stable) and constant policy flip-flopping. I also don't see how anybody can possibly give their support to the conservative manifesto without admitting to themselves that they hold everybody else in contempt. Ideally I'd like to spoil my ballot but I think sheer fear for what May has in store is going to be enough to drive me to hold my nose and pick somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 54 minutes ago, Rincewind said: They will also have to stop members leaving to join the Greens as what happened after and during Blairs reign. I wonder how many members have left while Corbyn has been leader compared to those thar have joined? Isn't the labour party membership treble what it was pre-corbyn? They've got by far the biggest membership of any party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Report reveals scale of food bank use in the UK https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/29/report-reveals-scale-of-food-bank-use-in-the-uk-ifan We need change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Play the Jeremy Corbyn video game here https://corbynrun.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Tide of hunger: https://www.theguardian.com/uk More than 2,000 food banks operating in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 May could actually lose the election, if she continues talking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Delighted that David Squires (guardians football cartoonist) is covering this: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/may/29/david-squires-narrowing-tory-poll-lead-national-security-trump-vacation Captain Bolsh-eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Not so strong and stable anymore, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Even one of the Daily Mail journalist's has told May she's coming across as "a bit of a glumbucket" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Nuttall is bloody awful. Farage really did hold that party together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 I wonder if May is going to go down the same track as Matty P, JontheHat and Webbo tonight by telling Britain that increasing corporation tax will kill business in this country - despite the fact that it was 28% when Labour left power and the Tories took over and Corbyn is only going to take it to 26% - we had plenty of business at 28%! Not sure why Labour chose to go first - think it was because the tories wanted to - but Corbyn needs to go big on the downfall of society and his message of hope as there are stats galore to back up the damage that the government is doing. Then just leave May spouting "strong and stable, coalition of chaos" as he exists the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 15 minutes ago, toddybad said: I wonder if May is going to go down the same track as Matty P, JontheHat and Webbo tonight by telling Britain that increasing corporation tax will kill business in this country - despite the fact that it was 28% when Labour left power and the Tories took over and Corbyn is only going to take it to 26% - we had plenty of business at 28%! Not sure why Labour chose to go first - think it was because the tories wanted to - but Corbyn needs to go big on the downfall of society and his message of hope as there are stats galore to back up the damage that the government is doing. Then just leave May spouting "strong and stable, coalition of chaos" as he exists the building. Perhaps that's why Labour left power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 Nuttall got away with murder there, no idea why Neil stayed on his strong points and didn't go at the Walter Mitty stuff. Might take a few votes off the Tories that, I liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ousefox Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 4 minutes ago, Webbo said: Perhaps that's why Labour left power? I wonder if anybody else on the planet has ever suggested that as even a small reason as to why they lost power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 1 minute ago, Watson said: I wonder if anybody else on the planet has ever suggested that as even a small reason as to why they lost power It just made me laugh that you could claim that something was a good idea because Labour did it before they were thrown out of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 29 May 2017 Share Posted 29 May 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: It just made me laugh that you could claim that something was a good idea because Labour did it before they were thrown out of power. So just to establish, given that the tories got thrown out of power in 1997, does that mean that everything Thatcher did was wrong and a bad idea? And that's even if we accept your blatant misinterpretation of toddybad (he's clearly saying that we had plenty of business at 28% corporation tax, when what Labour are proposing would still amount to a reduction to compared to 7 years ago, it's not realistic to say that it's a massive danger to the economy given we've done fine with higher in recent history). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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