Darkon84 Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 34 minutes ago, Strokes said: I thought it was quite funny tbf, they should have added a bit where she glitched and repeated 'Strong and Stable' several times. Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not going on the defensive, I can still see funny when it's funny. I was just making the point that something which used to be purely about funny satire ala Viz style previously, has thrown itself firmly on one side and continuously trotted out one sided political stuff since the lead up to brexit . It's a shame and it's just got a bit boring and it's not what people originally liked it for. People liked the silly faux news and stuff like this (below), not the editors veiled daggers. http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/otters-back-to-fk-shit-up-201108224220 EDIT: And yes, to echo yours and Matts comments...As a traditional Tory voter myself (if anyone didn't know ) May has put us in a real shitheap. When she won the leadership, I was full of optimism and was looing forward to another strong woman to take the lead, but she's got weaker more and more by the week. As I've said in another thread (or earlier in this one, it's been a busy few weeks so I'm a tad frazzled), for the first time, I don't think I'll be voting. I dontt beleive anyone of the leaders or parties deserve to run OUR country, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 The Conservatives are still likely to win a three figure majority though. I think the real disappointment is they've focused all their efforts into attacking the bits of Corbyn I actually like and made no attempt to do anything that would appeal to me as a centrist Lib Dem. On the other hand that's not too far off what the actual Lib Dems are doing. The socialist manifesto has not been properly discredited, in fact the overriding feeling is that Labour could win with a better leader and shadow cabinet, and perhaps more support from the media. I know a few Lib Dems who suspect the Tories of soft pedaling on labour's economics. They can keep that ace up their sleeves. Meanwhile some Tories are worried that May is actually a bit of a "red Tory". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramboacdc Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 some people on twitter are starting to claim a leadership challenge against May. will believe that when i see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 26 minutes ago, MattP said: Difficult and depressing, a woman we thought was a strong leader has been shown up as someone who quite frankly would struggle to win a hustings, Ed Miliband would have won had this campaign been put on two years ago, you do wonder if the competent ones behind the scenes fled when Cameron departed. To be honest the Tory campaign makes me fear for our Brexit negotiations, I'm just so glad the party has David Davis in charge of it - if it wasn't for him I probably wouldn't even vote this election. I hope it's successful and he is the leader by 2022. The incredible thing is the Corbynn supporters will see this as a victory as he "closed the gap" - without recognising literally any other front bench, even one drawn a by a raffle would have stopped a Tory maj. Did you really think that? I feel people thought this because they saw a woman who sometimes acted tough and immediately they thought it was Maggie mk II. She was shit as home secretary, she didn't do anything in the referendum, in fact she's never really been too prominent in any election campaign and she had to do nothing to get the part. She's awful and I actually now believe that if Corbyn hadn't gone so far left and didn't have McDonnell as his shadow chancellor, he would get my vote. Quite simply she has to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 5 minutes ago, KingGTF said: Did you really think that? I feel people thought this because they saw a woman who sometimes acted tough and immediately they thought it was Maggie mk II. She was shit as home secretary, she didn't do anything in the referendum, in fact she's never really been too prominent in any election campaign and she had to do nothing to get the part. She's awful and I actually now believe that if Corbyn hadn't gone so far left and didn't have McDonnell as his shadow chancellor, he would get my vote. Quite simply she has to go I want to disagree with this but I can't. She is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkon84 Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 8 minutes ago, KingGTF said: Did you really think that? I feel people thought this because they saw a woman who sometimes acted tough and immediately they thought it was Maggie mk II. She was shit as home secretary, she didn't do anything in the referendum, in fact she's never really been too prominent in any election campaign and she had to do nothing to get the part. She's awful and I actually now believe that if Corbyn hadn't gone so far left and didn't have McDonnell as his shadow chancellor, he would get my vote. Quite simply she has to go I'll put my hand up and admit to this. I thought she handed herself well during the leadership campaign, though in hindsight, it wasn't difficult against the opposition she had (much like the apparent coup for Corbyn's through by Eagle etc (PATHETIC CANDIDATES)). Perhaps I was blinkered with blind hope, and she looked better against the opposition too, but it's all fallen apart catastrophically. @KingGTF, @MattP, or anyone, any decent suggestions for someone to take the crown from her? I've fallen away from politics a fair bit in the last few months and off the top of my head I can't think of anyone. I do like my local MP Bertie Costa though,...good guy whenever I've met him, but obviously not leadership candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 Recent polling data shows that labour is well ahead for all age groups up to about 45/50. Just the late middle aged and elderly voting for them in numbers. What changes in life that people move from left wing to right wing? Is it purely self interest or is it fear of change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 I've said Theresa May was a jabroni for years. I'm still amazed she is even the prime minister and people saw through her crap enough to like her. I'm glad the hardest of conservative supporters are finally seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 In an ideal world David Davis would be PM. Realistically we have to be looking at Boris, Gove, Crabb or Rudd. Wouldn't rule out Priti Patel either, I don't do identity politics but I think the Tories having an Asian leader would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 Just read that back. I clearly do Identity politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 Boris has lost the plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 5 minutes ago, lgfualol said: I've said Theresa May was a jabroni for years. I'm still amazed she is even the prime minister and people saw through her crap enough to like her. I'm glad the hardest of conservative supporters are finally seeing it. And yet Labour put Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott up as the opposition to it. What does that say about them? Should be ashamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkon84 Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: Recent polling data shows that labour is well ahead for all age groups up to about 45/50. Just the late middle aged and elderly voting for them in numbers. What changes in life that people move from left wing to right wing? Is it purely self interest or is it fear of change? Yep, I'm biting. I don't think it's so much about self preservation, more about realising what the world is. When people are younger they're a lot more idealistic. I even voted Lib Dem, then Labour at Uni, but admittedly I didnt know much about politics, which is where I think alot of the younger votes for Corbyn are coming from. Just on a wave of thats what they think they should do, without thinking it through. Don't try to make it something it's not, by saying it's fear of change. 9 minutes ago, lgfualol said: I've said Theresa May was a jabroni for years. I'm still amazed she is even the prime minister and people saw through her crap enough to like her. I'm glad the hardest of conservative supporters are finally seeing it. The simple fact you used that got a from me at my desk and a few funny looks. Kudos to you sir, have a rep point , but as Matt pointed out.. nothing compared to the Labour bench 8 minutes ago, MattP said: In an ideal world David Davis would be PM. Realistically we have to be looking at Boris, Gove, Crabb or Rudd. Wouldn't rule out Priti Patel either, I don't do identity politics but I think the Tories having an Asian leader would be great. Precisely what I was alluding to previously. I don't think any of those could lead the country. Boris is more intelligent than people give him credit for, but he'll always be seen as a buffoon. Gove is crafty enough to lead the country but seen as too toxic. Crabb could be a way forward with a younger face but his previous personal beliefs would prevent him getting the leadership. Rudd is just.....no, just no. Priti would be a good shout and something the Tories would hold over Labour forever, but its too much, too soon for her (personally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: And yet Labour put Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott up as the opposition to it. What does that say about them? Should be ashamed. Indeed. What an opportunity missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 2 hours ago, Facecloth said: To you, of course not, it's taking the piss out of your precious untouchable tories. You clearly haven't read many of my recent posts. May has been awful on this campaign (or lack of), and I think they have got it wrong on Education funding for example. It isn't; funny because she is going to be our PM for the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 10 minutes ago, MattP said: And yet Labour put Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott up as the opposition to it. What does that say about them? Should be ashamed. Exactly. It feels like nobody wants to win with some of the shit both sides are spouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 21 minutes ago, Darkon84 said: I'll put my hand up and admit to this. I thought she handed herself well during the leadership campaign, though in hindsight, it wasn't difficult against the opposition she had (much like the apparent coup for Corbyn's through by Eagle etc (PATHETIC CANDIDATES)). Perhaps I was blinkered with blind hope, and she looked better against the opposition too, but it's all fallen apart catastrophically. @KingGTF, @MattP, or anyone, any decent suggestions for someone to take the crown from her? I've fallen away from politics a fair bit in the last few months and off the top of my head I can't think of anyone. I do like my local MP Bertie Costa though,...good guy whenever I've met him, but obviously not leadership candidate. Davis would be excellent. Boris wouldn't be as bad as people night expect but it's should never happen Javid might be okay, I'd back him But no I'm struggling to think who it could actually be. On Matt's seuggestions: Rudd would be 10x worse than May, Crabb maybe, Gove now impossible. There is a real lack of leadership potential in the party, it's bloated by some awful awful people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 32 minutes ago, MattP said: I want to disagree with this but I can't. She is awful. I also agree, she looked like a safe pair of hands against Boris and Leadstrom, but christ this is turning into a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 It's been a funny old campaign so far, I'll tell you what though I am sick of this badgering approach to interviewing politicians, trying to pin down people on personal views, trying to get them to answer questions about the manifesto before it has been released. Constantly trying to catch them out on numbers and making the interviews all about themselves rather than the subject. I watched the Interviews last night and Paxman just did my head in. Every politician will have a personal view and a party view, and they sometimes clash, Corbyn personally wanting nuclear disarmament but committing to the renewal of trident for the good of the party is not a stick to beat him with, likewise May voting to Remain but now leading us out of the EU. We put a tick next to a name but we are really voting for the party and this is where May has made a mistake in making it all about her and Corbyn has done well in trying to not make it all about him. Politicians don't help themselves though, seeming almost adverse to giving a straight yes or no answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 36 minutes ago, MattP said: And yet Labour put Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott up as the opposition to it. What does that say about them? Should be ashamed. It was the £5 members that put Corbyn there. Hardly any of the MP's wanted him. He's ****ed them really. Regardless of the election result, him staying on has prevented a majority Labour government. I'd love Priti Patel to be PM. Not because she's any good, it's just she looks well fit. Fiti Patel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 Corbyn and McDonnell aren't the problem, it's not having the support of the rest of the PLP. I genuinely think a lot of Blairites would prefer a Tory victory than see Corbyn as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 Quote Jeremy Corbyn struggles over cost of childcare policy 12 minutes ago From the sectionElection 2017 2626comments These are external links and will open in a new window Share this with Facebook Share this with Twitter Share this with Messenger Share this with Email Share Media captionWatch: Jeremy Corbyn on Woman's Hour Jeremy Corbyn was unable to put a cost on Labour's plan for free childcare for 1.3m youngsters during an interview with BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour. "It will cost... it will obviously cost a lot to do so, we accept that," he said, when quizzed about the figures by Emma Barnett. The stumble came as the Labour leader and Theresa May resumed election campaigning following a live TV debate. Mrs May has argued she is the only one who can offer "strong leadership". It was during his interview with Woman's Hour that Mr Corbyn had to be told by interviewer Emma Barnett the cost of his party's manifesto proposal to extend 30 hours a week of free childcare to all two-year-olds - a policy which is part of Labour's plans for a National Education Service. BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said that Mr Corbyn's performances had been getting better during the election campaign, so it was "astonishing he was not across the figures for the childcare policy" his party was campaigning on today. The childcare part of the interview began with Mr Corbyn being asked whether he had the figure for its cost and replying: "Yes, I do." Pressed to give the number, he said: "I'll give you the figure in a moment." "You don't know it? You're logging into your iPad here - you've announced a major policy and you don't know how much it will cost?" presenter Emma Barnett said. "Can I give you the exact figure in a moment, please?" the Labour leader said. Asked whether this indicated that voters should not trust Labour with their money, he answered: "Not at all." He argued that investing in children in early years meant they did better in school and added: "I want to give you an accurate figure." Eventually, Ms Barnett quoted shadow education secretary Angela Rayner, who was on BBC Radio 4's Today programme earlier: "£2.7bn, then £4.8bn... with half a billion to reverse cuts to the Sure Start scheme. Does that sound about right?" "It does sound correct," Mr Corbyn said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 I can't see a candidate in any party that shines currently if I'm honest. The idea of Boris or Gove running the country makes me very sad indeed. May is being found out on a daily basis and Anybody that can make Corbyn look like an appealing option shouldn't be anywhere near The Tory party shortlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkon84 Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 28 minutes ago, KingGTF said: Davis would be excellent. Boris wouldn't be as bad as people night expect but it's should never happen Javid might be okay, I'd back him But no I'm struggling to think who it could actually be. On Matt's seuggestions: Rudd would be 10x worse than May, Crabb maybe, Gove now impossible. There is a real lack of leadership potential in the party, it's bloated by some awful awful people I don;t know enough about Davis really, but I'll take your word for it. Perhaps the only problem with him is that the general population don't know him so he'd have to run a very good campaign to get people behind him. Boris could do it, he's been around the block and he's bloody intelligent, but his whole Tory-boy, buffoon demeanour wouldnt work well on the world stage in my opinion. I just don't think he'd be taken seriously enough by people. Javid is a good shout there, well brought up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 30 May 2017 Share Posted 30 May 2017 4 minutes ago, MPH said: I have to say, as much as I think Corbyn has many faults, this really isn't an issue that should be getting so much attention. He had to look up a figure. Big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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