Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 1 minute ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: But it won't last long, it can't because it feels so illegitimate and the Tory party itself will be aware of the damage it could do to the party itself for another election in say November this year / May next year. 2019 is possible. Surely we can't have another election whilst the Brexit negotiation is ongoing?
Guest Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, Webbo said: The DUP are a legitimate party entitled to vote at Westminster. If Sinn Fein decide to make trouble it'll be down to Sinn Fein. Yes, but if people voted labour they were voting fir a terrorist sympathiser - remember? Now may has done a deal with the remnants of a paramilitary organisation.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: He must be wishing that he had stayed in the house now. It appears Farage is making a comeback, big chance for him to win in Thanet South if McKinley gets convicted. Given his current chair is more comfortable, better paid and seems to give him much more of a voice with much less hassle... I disagree. And yes, Farage is coming back by the sounds of it, so I think you're premature in suggesting it's two party's politics again, given the fringes have had such an influence on politics over the last 20 years (UKIP, SNP, Lib Dems and now the DUP).
Bobby Hundreds Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: 2019 is possible. Surely we can't have another election whilst the Brexit negotiation is ongoing? Skybet offering 10/1 on 2019.
ramboacdc Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: 2019 is possible. Surely we can't have another election whilst the Brexit negotiation is ongoing? possible but her face has changed to a right smug bitch from last night when she looked ready to throw herself off the building. there will be backlash here. its only 2/3rds to trigger another election. that's only 100 tory rebels and we are voting in october.
Webbo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Yes, but if people voted labour they were voting fir a terrorist sympathiser - remember? Now may has done a deal with the remnants of a paramilitary organisation. We have a peace process now, we're supposed to have moved on. Corbyn invited SinnFein to the commons 2 weeks after the Brighton Bomb. That's like inviting Britain First round to Jo Cox's house to laugh at her husband. Corbyn is an absolute cvnt. He's had a good campaign but that doesn't change that.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: 2019 is possible. Surely we can't have another election whilst the Brexit negotiation is ongoing? We can when the negotiations fall apart. She's fvcked us completely. I give her 6 months max.
Guest Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, Webbo said: We have a peace process now, we're supposed to have moved on. Corbyn invited SinnFein to the commons 2 weeks after the Brighton Bomb. That's like inviting Britain First round to Jo Cox's house to laugh at her husband. Corbyn is an absolute cvnt. He's had a good campaign but that doesn't change that. Haha your double standards are of epic proportions. The tories could literally offer you shit in a bucket (they practically did)and you'd vote for it!
Bobby Hundreds Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Haha your double standards are of epic proportions. The tories could literally offer you shit in a bucket (they practically did)and you'd vote for it! They'd eat it out with a spoon.
ramboacdc Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 when this happened before and cameron got in the pound recovered as the traders love stability. that announcement came and it fell...looking to recover now. https://uk.investing.com/currencies/gbp-usd
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: 2019 is possible. Surely we can't have another election whilst the Brexit negotiation is ongoing? We probably have to don't we? Might as well twin it with a second EU referendum! (people who thought this was a decided issue, it's not now)
Webbo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Haha your double standards are of epic proportions. The tories could literally offer you shit in a bucket (they practically did)and you'd vote for it! Can you not see the change in circumstances? 20 years after peace process against in the middle of the troubles. I know I can't win this argument, people have made their minds up. It's either fake news to you or you don't give a shit.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Can you not see the change in circumstances? 20 years after peace process against in the middle of the troubles. I know I can't win this argument, people have made their minds up. It's either fake news to you or you don't give a shit. So shall we just deal with the 'now' instead?
Webbo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, DJ Barry Hammond said: So shall we just deal with the 'now' instead? Yes.
Finnaldo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Although I'm to an extent Pro-Brexit (but mostly on the fence). Isn't it funny how one of the main reasons for voting Brexit was that it was unrepresentative. But one of the two parties in coalition to negotiate Brexit received 218,196 votes out of 32,181,756 votes cast overall. Or in other words, 0.67% of the vote.
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 10 minutes ago, ramboacdc said: possible but her face has changed to a right smug bitch from last night when she looked ready to throw herself off the building. there will be backlash here. its only 2/3rds to trigger another election. that's only 100 tory rebels and we are voting in october. Why on earth would those 100 rebels, many of whom are in close seats or hard Brexiteers take that chance? It would make no sense at all. If anything they'll now see this as a chance to hold May to ransom along with the DUP, 4 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: We probably have to don't we? Might as well twin it with a second EU referendum! (people who thought this was a decided issue, it's not now) Of course it is, the two parties committed to Brexit and ending freedom of movement (and therefore leaving the single market if you take Donald Tusk at his word) got over 80% of the vote last night between them.
ramboacdc Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, MattP said: Why on earth would those 100 rebels, many of whom are in close seats or hard Brexiteers take that chance? It would make no sense at all. If anything they'll now see this as a chance to hold May to ransom along with the DUP, they will believe another leader will actually strengthen their leads in their constiuency's. Something, i have to say, i agree with. A lot of people voted on a national level here and don't see May as a leader. the feeling now is that May has gambled, lost, refused to give up, gone to the queen with no plan and asked for a governement and pegged it back into number 10. The sun called brown "the squatter in number 10" she is currently Frank underwood.
Livid Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Aside from their paramilitary links they're against abortion and same sex marriage. Unbelievable the speed this has taken place.
reynard Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 2 hours ago, ramboacdc said: people voted brexit and thats going through but they want to know what will happen, whether that will affect jobs, immigration, health service and the tories (especially may) gave no info on what they would do to reassure people. "i will take no deal than a bad deal" is a bad deal for the country and everyone knows it. shes shot herself in the arse here and a 3 seat majority is awful. no strengthening of hands here. Neither major party properly discussed Brexit. I've listened to Corbyn several times and I'm still no clearer on his position. May should have set out the proposals properly. Perhaps now we might get some cross party unity and ideas and proper parliamentery discussion. However, I doubt it as most MPS are no better than teenagers trying to strut their stuff and prove their own importance. The probelm now is that as a country we are in a very weak postion re Brexit negotiations. If Cameron hadn't called the vote in the first place and Corbyn had actually bothered to get off his arse and campaign like he just has for the remain cause we wouldn't be in this mess.
leicsmac Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Interesting times. Bit of a Frank Sinclair moment calling the election in the first place by May, I think. Does anyone think the Tories having to make deals with what is essentially the equivalent of the US Tea Party (with about as many religious fundies) will have much of an effect on the landscape?
Nick Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 The DUP are the party who's values and policies I side with the least - I now have absolute zero respect for the Tory's getting in to bed with such a group. It will be their downfall. They should have handed it o Labour to make a minority mess and come back stronger with a different leader. Now it will take longer for them to go but go they will and they won't bounce back for 2 elections.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 IRA this, Sinn Fein that for 5 weeks and the dead woman walking is jumping into her coffin with the UDA in suits.
Webbo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Interesting times. Bit of a Frank Sinclair moment calling the election in the first place by May, I think. Does anyone think the Tories having to make deals with what is essentially the equivalent of the US Tea Party (with about as many religious fundies) will have much of an effect on the landscape? Not much, there'll be some extra money spent in N.I. they won't want to change policy much apart from maybe Brexit.
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