General Election, June 8th

[Realist Guy In The Room]

8 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Bother any Tory supporters that the government is overseeing the dismantling of the NHS? I know Blair has been involved, but perhaps Corbyn would have reversed this process?

Yeah bit late now brah.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

4 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Yeah bit late now brah.

Thought it was best to wait until after, didnt want to be thought to be attempting to influence anyone's vote 

[Jimothy]

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[Izzy]

I guess Brexit will now be handled by the Conservative and Unionist Negociating Team. If the name badges are small, perhaps they can just use the acronym...

[MPH]

7 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Thought it was best to wait until after, didnt want to be thought to be attempting to influence anyone's vote 

 

 

What the flippity flip?

 

 

How do you think people get elected haha

[Tielemans63]

This thread is genuinely a fascinating read. I consider myself fairly well informed politically but I've learned a lot from reading this thread. Always good to challenge your own views.

 

Just thought I'd share that with you for no apparent reason.

[Spudulike]

So after 7 years of Conservative austerity crippling the UK why didn't Labour win ??

[Lionator]

13 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

This thread is genuinely a fascinating read. I consider myself fairly well informed politically but I've learned a lot from reading this thread.

 

Just thought I'd share that with you for no apparent reason.

For sure, while I've formed my own political opinion through my short life experiences, I find this site to be one of the more balanced of the one's I visit on the internet. Even the people who have opposite political opinions to me, I learn a lot off of them (eg @MattP) and respect them greatly.

[Thracian]

What price Ruth Davidson for Tory leader and soon?  . 

 

Oratorially she's been everything Theresa May hasn't been.

 

I thought May was the only sensible vote out of an appalling choice (and said so before the election)  but May's campaign, both in terms of substance and delivery was worse than bereft of inspiration.

 

Even this evening I got sick of her failing to answer perfectly reasonable questions honestly.

 

Each time she went into the sort of politik talk I've seen from Corbyn so often and loathed just as much.

 

May needs to go for so many reasons. And Davidson needs centre stage.

 

Even going back to the televised Brexit debates Davidson was about as quick and straight with her answers and argument as anyone I watched from any party.

 

Quite apart from the subject matter, May was theatrically boring as a falling grey curtain, both personally and politically, in response to what was actually the biggest fight of her political life..

 

Whoever advised her on her campaign tactics needs to go too. 

 

I thought she was campaigning to take charge of a naval vessel - she was repeating aye, aye, aye, at such a rebounding pace it was like listening to a  mechanical woodpecker at work..

 

How she failed to realise she was barking up the wrong tree showed the instincts of a backward amoeba.

 

Now I can see the lumberjacks arriving, and while the tree's got no chance of surviving that I can see, I just hope they're coming to plant a Scottish sapling with the green shoots of some bright and lively company alongside her.

 

What an own goal, what an awful way of scoring it and what a way to squander an advantage?

 

Labour are celebrating, with good reason and much due credit.

 

But at what eventual price for the Good Ship Great Britain?

 

Self-styled "Saint" Theresa has just hit the rocks so hard she's only got her fingertips stopping her going overboard.

 

It's whether the ship can stay afloat, after Jerry's torpedoes, that bothers me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest MattP]

10 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

So after 7 years of Conservative austerity crippling the UK why didn't Labour win ??

Because I think most people still realised it was a manifesto of total fantasy. People did warm to Corbyn though, looking back he seemed to enjoy it and was the total opposite of May, the Tories making the election about character of the leaders when she was the figurehead was laughable looking back.

 

I still don't think Corbyn could add another 60+ gains to achieve a majority, but he could certainly add enough to hold the balance of power if the Tories were that bad again and he cleared his front bench of the idiots.

 

The Tories have to be so careful about any agreements with the DUP as well, if it starts to effect any social policy at all it will be confirmation of the return of the nasty party, something Theresa May is already now complicit in. 

 

The have to get Ruth Davidson into Westminster and onto the front bench ASAP - she has become a national figure for them, she's brilliant.

[Izzy]

27 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

So after 7 years of Conservative austerity crippling the UK why didn't Labour win ??

Dianne Abbott

[Thracian]

36 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I guess Brexit will now be handled by the Conservative and Unionist Negociating Team. If the name badges are small, perhaps they can just use the acronym...

Couldn't help laughing - very good.  

[foxes21]

4 hours ago, lgfualol said:

Move countries while you can people

Which country do you suggest? I'm thinking Canada or New Zealand.

 

 

[Dr The Singh]

4 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Dianne Abbott

This and Keith Vaz

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

This and Keith Vaz

That guy increased his majority to about 35k last night or something. 

 

He is Teflon.

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

That guy increased his majority to about 35k last night or something. 

 

He is Teflon.

Disgraceful!!  Shame on the voters, worse then voting in BNP

[Jimothy]

12 minutes ago, MattP said:

That guy increased his majority to about 35k last night or something. 

 

He is Teflon.

Increased his vote to 35k, majority is up to 22k from 18k.

[Foxxed]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

So after 7 years of Conservative austerity crippling the UK why didn't Labour win ??

Everyone loves a good bit of crippling austerity?

 

You'd have to blame Labour really, although they have just defied a loss of 100 seats to a gain of 25 so credit where it's due.

 

I was not confinced by Labour, and even less convinced by the Tories, and the Tories did mess up massively, but credit to Corbyn and his movement.

 

23 minutes ago, MattP said:

That guy increased his majority to about 35k last night or something. 

 

He is Teflon.

This is Vaz hate central though. I mean, I'm not a fan, but we were saying he's worse than a paedophile and a child murder yesterday.

[Beliall]

1 hour ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I guess Brexit will now be handled by the Conservative and Unionist Negociating Team. If the name badges are small, perhaps they can just use the acronym...

 

is this you? just came up on my facebook 

[Foxxed]

34 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Dianne Abbott

 

 

I don't think she's good enough to be a front bencher (I also thought/think this about Corbyn though...).

 

They did get rid though. I wonder if this effected any voters.

[Foxxed]

3 minutes ago, Beliall said:

 

is this you? just came up on my facebook 

Good artists copy, great artists steal, eh Izzy?

[Mike Oxlong]

Glad that the calculated but spineless decision to stay away from the tv debate didn't pay off. 

[Izzy]

9 minutes ago, Beliall said:

 

is this you? just came up on my facebook 

 

5 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

Good artists copy, great artists steal, eh Izzy?

As if I'm smart enough to come up with that FFS. Of course I nicked it! 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

37 minutes ago, MattP said:

That guy increased his majority to about 35k last night or something. 

 

He is Teflon.

Two words.

 

Batty Boys.

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

So after 7 years of Conservative austerity crippling the UK why didn't Labour win ??

 

27 minutes ago, MattP said:

Because I think most people still realised it was a manifesto of total fantasy. People did warm to Corbyn though, looking back he seemed to enjoy it and was the total opposite of May, the Tories making the election about character of the leaders when she was the figurehead was laughable looking back.

 

I still don't think Corbyn could add another 60+ gains to achieve a majority, but he could certainly add enough to hold the balance of power if the Tories were that bad again and he cleared his front bench of the idiots.

 

The Tories have to be so careful about any agreements with the DUP as well, if it starts to effect any social policy at all it will be confirmation of the return of the nasty party, something Theresa May is already now complicit in. 

 

The have to get Ruth Davidson into Westminster and onto the front bench ASAP - she has become a national figure for them, she's brilliant.

 

19 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Dianne Abbott

Diane Abbott probably didn't cost as many votes as you'd think - she was one an extra thing for non-labour voters to complain about. Labour voters could see she was shocking but I don't think that alone would turn too many votes. The reality is she'll be nowhere near the front bench at the next election. The heavy hitters will be back and next time round it could be interesting - it will be difficult to waste time focusing on Corbyn himself in the way he was attacked this time as it, frankly, doesn't appear to have actually worked. Besides which, the DUP involvement with the Tories means they'll have to be very careful about the labels they give to others. 

 

Matt P is right about Ruth Davidson - great campaign by her and she's single-handedly saved the Tories from an even worse night. She did simply turn the SNP on themselves by focusing on the issue of a second Scottish Independence referendum but it worked for. 

 

As to what happens at the next election - well I guess it depends how far off it is, whether the Tories can somehow get through Brexit unscathed, who leads them etc but the current situation would tend to suggest Labour increasing their vote. I say that based on the belief that (as I've said before) political cycles begin and end when a party has new impetus and something to say. The Tories don't really have anything left to say and I'm not convinced that a different leader could have produced a new proposition, even if they had campaigned more effectively.

 

I think Labour didn't win yet as it takes some time for voters to rebuild trust in a party once they kick them out -Labour had 13 years and the Tories 18 before that. With the last election only 2 years ago and the internal strife within the Labour party over the last 2 years it was almost impossible to win. Getting as far as they did was incredible really. With a stronger team, a re-energised youth vote, an offering which will always be very different to what the Tories offer with Corbyn in change and the weight of problems in the economy and public services, they have to be in a stronger position before he next election.

 

Personally, I think Brexit will kill the Tories. I don't think for one second that May means that no deal is better than a bad deal as it very clearly isn't. Business would never forgive the Tories if they came away with no deal so it's just a soundbite rather than serious policy. They'll have to give numerous concessions, they'll have no choice. I suspect that the Tory strategy is to think they'll be able to blame the EU but I don't think that will wash with the public. Ultimately, the Tories held the referendum to deal with internal party disputes, got drowned out by UKIP and have then set themselves up as the party of Brexit to try to woo back the UKIP voters. Unless they manage to get an impossible deal (by definition they won't) they're stuffed.