Guest Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Another thought is that corbyn has effectively been teflon coated against the personal attacks. If we do go back to the polls will the tories try to play a cleaner game given there isn't much point in trying the same attacks again? If that happens and it just comes down to policy then the tories will need to offer something dramatically different to stand any chance. I'm personally looking forward to mattp, webbo and jonthehat giving their illuminating thoughts on why increased spending on health and education, as well as a soft brexit, are reasons to vote tory next time around ?
RobHawk Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 DUP = pro life, anti gay, climate change deniers who have links with loyalist terrorists - what do we think to that @Webbo
Rincewind Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, RobHawk said: DUP = pro life, anti gay, climate change deniers who have links with loyalist terrorists - what do we think to that @Webbo Never mind Webbo I want to know what the Sun and Mail thinks first.
Finnaldo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 This is absolutely vintage, the climax of four weeks of Corbyn smears on colluding with the IRA and Theresa May enters a coalition with a party founded by and with base support from Loyalist Paramilitary Terrorist Organisations. The cherry on top being it's also a Trumpist outfit I'm predicting some heavy, heavy damage to the Tories. Incredible.
Rincewind Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 1 minute ago, lgfualol said: DUP sound like absolute nutters Perfect combination then.
Webbo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 13 minutes ago, RobHawk said: DUP = pro life, anti gay, climate change deniers who have links with loyalist terrorists - what do we think to that @Webbo It's disappointing that it's come to this, I'm sure Sinn Fein will use this to create division.
RobHawk Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 12 minutes ago, Webbo said: It's disappointing that it's come to this, I'm sure Sinn Fein will use this to create division. Agreed
Happy Fox Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 I hope the Queen puts Theresa May in her place, but I am not counting my chickens. Fact is this country is in the shitter, politics wise, no vision for the future.
ramboacdc Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, Happy Fox said: I hope the Queen puts Theresa May in her place, but I am not counting my chickens. Fact is this country is in the shitter, politics wise, no vision for the future. this. I hope she asks her if she can form a government and may goes "we should be able to yes" and then the queen throws her out on her arse. wont happen but a man can dream.
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 52 minutes ago, Mark_w said: Awkward. They are going to finish on 39.99% after Kensington.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 This all looks very terrible indeed. No clear result, time ticking on Brexit negotiations but with the UK's position made all that much weaker, a lame duck Prime Minister planning on being propped up by a party that's irrelevant to UK wide politics, a party which is still mired in its own controversy on home turf (energy scandale, which has left the power sharing argeement in limbo still I believe). And let's face it, the DUP are a party most of the UK public wouldn't have a clue about (Plaid Cymru would have more name recognition ffs!) It just shows, this countries electoral system needs to change, given; the decision about calling the election was based on personal party interests at the time rather than the real need to hold an election The party in second place are parading around as winners The party with the most seats and in the best position to form a government are considered the losers (quite rightly) The sooner this country moves to a system that allows us to vote for people to govern us that have the interests of the country as a whole at heart, rather than their own parties interests and personal careers the better. How sad is it, that the big winner out of all of this is one George bloody Osborne!
Guest Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 24 minutes ago, Webbo said: It's disappointing that it's come to this, I'm sure Sinn Fein will use this to create division. No, sorry. It's the tory decision to fight on with the dup that is creating division. The decision to do this is putting party ahead of nation and peace in northern ireland.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 8 minutes ago, ramboacdc said: this. I hope she asks her if she can form a government and may goes "we should be able to yes" and then the queen throws her out on her arse. wont happen but a man can dream. When the alternative would be granting an audience to Jeremy Corbyn... I think the Queen will let Threasa May carry on (albeit having a chuckle to herself as she leaves).
AndWhat? Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 7 minutes ago, MattP said: They are going to finish on 39.99% after Kensington. Or not
ramboacdc Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 1 minute ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: When the alternative would be granting an audience to Jeremy Corbyn... I think the Queen will let Threasa May carry on (albeit having a chuckle to herself as she leaves). well she never gets involved politically so i cant see her favouring either person either way.
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Final result almost in, the end result is going to be that May has lost 11 Conservative seats but gained effectively gained 10 DUP ones - what a complete waste of time and now we'll be held to ransom as well. Early thoughts: Conservatives seem to think best option is to let May continue, get Brexit going and after that I'd imagine she goes, no way can she run in 2022. Impossible after this. The Union is safe, great to see the SNP taken down a few pegs, indyref2 isn't happening anytime soon. Tories need to look North of the border, see what a positive campaign can do instead of a negative one, don't release the bad shit in your manifesto, also need to revisit finances, there is no votes in being prudent and if the young have voted in the numbers they did they shouldn't have any guilt about passing a debt an deficit onto them and Labour. Spend. To have a deal done with the DUP this early shows they have been planning this for a while, the Tories knew this was going wrong last week. Labour now have a decision to make, you can look at it two ways, Corbyn performed so well he's a potential PM in a coalition, or this was the worst Tory campaign ever and he still couldn't get near a majority - ideally I think it would be best for him to hand over to someone more credible but retain a lot of the policies he has pushed forward - it is weird to see Labour supporters celebrating winning 261 seats like it's a victory for them. We are back to the era of two party politics and maybe political pugatory for a long long time. A seriously divided society. I'm just delighted the Tories are still the government, the Brexit talks being handled by a 4-5 party coalition would have been a total shambles, as opposed to the partial shambles we have now.
Guest Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Even this shitty speech has absolutely nothing that sounds even remotely positive. She'll be gone soon though.
Guest MattP Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 9 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: How sad is it, that the big winner out of all of this is one George bloody Osborne! He must be wishing that he had stayed in the house now. It appears Farage is making a comeback, big chance for him to win in Thanet South if McKinley gets convicted.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 Just now, toddybad said: No, sorry. It's the tory decision to fight on with the dup that is creating division. The decision to do this is putting party ahead of nation and peace in northern ireland. Unfortunately... it's the only viable option based on the seat numbers and party histories / links. But it won't last long, it can't because it feels so illegitimate and the Tory party itself will be aware of the damage it could do to the party itself for another election in say November this year / May next year.
Guest Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: He must be wishing that he had stayed in the house now. It appears Farage is making a comeback, big chance for him to win in Thanet South if McKinley gets convicted. I think farage's time is up. He won brexit i don't see any public clamour for anything else from ukip or farage.
Webbo Posted 9 June 2017 Posted 9 June 2017 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: No, sorry. It's the tory decision to fight on with the dup that is creating division. The decision to do this is putting party ahead of nation and peace in northern ireland. The DUP are a legitimate party entitled to vote at Westminster. If Sinn Fein decide to make trouble it'll be down to Sinn Fein.
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