Bobby Hundreds Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Governments never want to build more housing for two reasons, one it's costs a fortune to do and secondly the more houses you have the value of the others drops and therefore the treasury takes a huge hit on stamp duty. And the grey voters lose equity.
davieG Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41493370 Tories to help councils build more council houses. Boom. Then they'll change the right to buy rules and boom they're no longer council houses - Tory principle of home ownership remains remains. Simple!
davieG Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 9 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said: And the grey voters lose equity. Equity for grey voters is a bit of a myth in terms of personal benefit. I've never understood it being good news that house prices are increasing. It's an absolute disaster for my kids. I'd have preferred house prices to have not risen because it makes it more expensive to move with all the costs associated with it % rated. It's value is no good to me when I'm dead the only time that equity is available. It certainly wouldn't make me vote Conservative. 1
Guest Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41493370 Tories to help councils build more council houses. Boom. ?
Guest Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 56 minutes ago, MattP said: It's the confidence he has in his arguments that impresses me, never gets flustered at all and just calmly makes his point, if you know how to use, politeness is actually a brilliant weapon in debate. Far better than hearing Corbyn who often sounds like a semi-literate pissed up tramp at a bus stop when arguing, just shouting about how terrible things are with no solutions to anything except trying to take things off people. Corbyn is offering plenty of solutions.You just don't like them.that isn't the same as having no solutions.
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: Corbyn is offering plenty of solutions.You just don't like them.that isn't the same as having no solutions. Ok then, he has tried and failed solutions than end up causing more problems anywhere it's been implemented, but I'm taking the line of @KingGTF on this, no point arguing with people who seriously think you can redistribute vast amount of wealth with taxes on the super rich.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 hour ago, David Guiza said: Sounds like the Tory answer to Russell Brand . I see there's been no mention on here of Boris' latest quip about moving along dead bodies. Then again it's only us 'looney lefties' who find references to flinging dead bodies to one side to build the latest pleasure beach mildly offensive. He referring I think, albeit in a rather jokey way, to the issue of removing the ISIS dead from heavily mined areas.
purpleronnie Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 Not sure if I'm having a breakdown but I found myself agreeing with Peter Hitchens on question time.
Super_horns Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 Not a great speech for her - heckled by a protester and spent most of the time fighting against a cough!
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 This is like a metaphor for the whole May reign, what an absolute car crash.
Guest Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 52 minutes ago, MattP said: Ok then, he has tried and failed solutions than end up causing more problems anywhere it's been implemented, but I'm taking the line of @KingGTF on this, no point arguing with people who seriously think you can redistribute vast amount of wealth with taxes on the super rich. We've also tried trickle down economics and discovered that nothing has trickled down. I've been asking the Tories to come up with a new tory friendly solution but the silence is deafening. The party had resorted to stealing labour policy (council housing, end of public sector 1% pay cap etc) which is not going to win them any friends either within the tory supporting fraternity or the wider public where everybody can see that labour now frame the debate. The Tories are crying out for a centre right leader with an ambitious and bold plan to 'denastify' the party and tie it to a new economically competent yet socially aware ideology. If actually welcome a Tory party not is disarray as it helps nobody but at the moment they have bad ideas themselves or just steal left wing ideas. Surely you can't be happy with this? I don't understand why you waste your time either trying to back policies which I'm less than convinced you believe in or atracking labour when your energies would be better spent seeking the new tory ideology which could reignite its leadership credentials.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 16 minutes ago, toddybad said: We've also tried trickle down economics and discovered that nothing has trickled down. I've been asking the Tories to come up with a new tory friendly solution but the silence is deafening. The party had resorted to stealing labour policy (council housing, end of public sector 1% pay cap etc) which is not going to win them any friends either within the tory supporting fraternity or the wider public where everybody can see that labour now frame the debate. The Tories are crying out for a centre right leader with an ambitious and bold plan to 'denastify' the party and tie it to a new economically competent yet socially aware ideology. If actually welcome a Tory party not is disarray as it helps nobody but at the moment they have bad ideas themselves or just steal left wing ideas. Surely you can't be happy with this? I don't understand why you waste your time either trying to back policies which I'm less than convinced you believe in or atracking labour when your energies would be better spent seeking the new tory ideology which could reignite its leadership credentials. The Tories may currently be rather dull and not exactly teeming with ideas, but it is 100% clear that Labour under Corbyn will take us backwards. It really is that simple. Also, to claim May is stealing policies is a bit pathetic. There is no one side which has all the right ideas.
Innovindil Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 You'd think the lefties would be happy a party in actual power was using some of their ideas. Some of the ideas are good, said as much during the election. If the tories take the good ones while ignoring the ludicrous ones. It's a win for everyone.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 58 minutes ago, MattP said: This is like a metaphor for the whole May reign, what an absolute car crash. I felt sorry for her. That P45 thing was a complete set up to fvck her.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 10 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: I felt sorry for her. That P45 thing was a complete set up to fvck her. Anyone else think if someone tried that with Corbyn they would have been lynched?
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 49 minutes ago, toddybad said: We've also tried trickle down economics and discovered that nothing has trickled down. I've been asking the Tories to come up with a new tory friendly solution but the silence is deafening. The party had resorted to stealing labour policy (council housing, end of public sector 1% pay cap etc) which is not going to win them any friends either within the tory supporting fraternity or the wider public where everybody can see that labour now frame the debate. The Tories are crying out for a centre right leader with an ambitious and bold plan to 'denastify' the party and tie it to a new economically competent yet socially aware ideology. If actually welcome a Tory party not is disarray as it helps nobody but at the moment they have bad ideas themselves or just steal left wing ideas. Surely you can't be happy with this? I don't understand why you waste your time either trying to back policies which I'm less than convinced you believe in or atracking labour when your energies would be better spent seeking the new tory ideology which could reignite its leadership credentials. When did we discover that? I must have missed it. Trickle down economics isn't perfect, but a glance around the World shows it's the best thing we have came up with so far. The bit I've bolded, you asked me that last week and the reply is still the same, it's like the Simpsons episode where Homer runs for santiation officer - if people want to believe all these crazy promises from Corbyn then we just have to sit back and let them vote for him, they'll soon learn, so no the Tories should not be trying to be Corbyn-lite. The Conservative party needs fresh leadership immediately, this is a slow death under May and everything has become a farce, they are almost making Labour look like a serious opposition.
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 4 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Anyone else think if someone tried that with Corbyn they would have been lynched? Still be in a back room now being beaten up by some heavies.
Guest Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 36 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: The Tories may currently be rather dull and not exactly teeming with ideas, but it is 100% clear that Labour under Corbyn will take us backwards. It really is that simple. Also, to claim May is stealing policies is a bit pathetic. There is no one side which has all the right ideas. But again, the Tories need to renew their ideology.they've stood still being themselves on Thatcher for too long. Ignore labour, take them out of it, the conservatives need to move forwards as a party.
Guest Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 4 minutes ago, MattP said: When did we discover that? I must have missed it. Trickle down economics isn't perfect, but a glance around the World shows it's the best thing we have came up with so far. The bit I've bolded, you asked me that last week and the reply is still the same, it's like the Simpsons episode where Homer runs for santiation officer - if people want to believe all these crazy promises from Corbyn then we just have to sit back and let them vote for him, they'll soon learn, so no the Tories should not be trying to be Corbyn-lite. The Conservative party needs fresh leadership immediately, this is a slow death under May and everything has become a farce, they are almost making Labour look like a serious opposition. Your last paragraph is agreeing with exactly my point....
Jon the Hat Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: When did we discover that? I must have missed it. Trickle down economics isn't perfect, but a glance around the World shows it's the best thing we have came up with so far. The bit I've bolded, you asked me that last week and the reply is still the same, it's like the Simpsons episode where Homer runs for santiation officer - if people want to believe all these crazy promises from Corbyn then we just have to sit back and let them vote for him, they'll soon learn, so no the Tories should not be trying to be Corbyn-lite. The Conservative party needs fresh leadership immediately, this is a slow death under May and everything has become a farce, they are almost making Labour look like a serious opposition. Lets not get sucked in Matt, there is no such thing as trickle down economics, and there never has been. Capitalism trumps socialism everytime.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: But again, the Tories need to renew their ideology.they've stood still being themselves on Thatcher for too long. Ignore labour, take them out of it, the conservatives need to move forwards as a party. Yes I agree they could improve. That doesn't mean Tories are going to start voting Labour.
Guest Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 31 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Yes I agree they could improve. That doesn't mean Tories are going to start voting Labour. No I know.you seem to be under the impression I'm making a pro-labour point. I'm not. I'm just saying that the Tories have been caught up in thatcherism for the past almost 40 years but the world has moved on and the Tories need to rethink what they stand for from first principles. They can't simply stand for a status quo which led to a financial crisis and a decade of lost wage growth. The ideology needs adjusting for the fact it's taken us to a place that was never envisaged - the economy is no longer promising increasing prosperity for future generations. The Tories absolutely shouldn't follow a left wing model but do need to find a new model that recognises the failures of the old. Do that and the Tories could recapture the centre ground which is currently devoid of representation.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: But again, the Tories need to renew their ideology.they've stood still being themselves on Thatcher for too long. Ignore labour, take them out of it, the conservatives need to move forwards as a party. Careful mate you'll end up sinking the entire internet if you come out with any more statements so heavily laden with irony
Footballwipe Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: Anyone else think if someone tried that with Corbyn they would have been lynched? You're not allowed anywhere near the divine leader, in a cult. I think if you sneezed in his presence The Canary would quickly publish an article about how it was a setup by the Tories.
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