Guest MattP Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 Boris on fire here, rallying up the faithful like May could never dream of.
leicsmac Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Boris on fire here, rallying up the faithful like May could never dream of. Of course. He's a Trump style populist, and he's extremely good at that. The question is whether or not that translates to effective leadership across the board.
Guest MattP Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Of course. He's a Trump style populist, and he's extremely good at that. The question is whether or not that translates to effective leadership across the board. Who knows? Hardly a bed of roses now is it and the opposition have proved you don't need a competent leader to win votes, Boris certainly wouldn't get 96 resignations in two years. It's a massive roll of the dice to go for him as PM, but I think it's better than the slow death under May for years that could lead us into the path of the country being destroyed by Corbyn, McDonnell etc
Webbo Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 Yes, good speech from BoJo. Not sure about his leadership qualities but he knows how to work a crowd. Hope and optimism instead negativity and fear. 1
Jon the Hat Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 11:40, David Guiza said: The real life Ben Swain strikes again - still such an inspired choice for foreign secretary https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johnson-caught-on-camera-reciting-kipling-in-myanmar-temple Is it just me who finds that very very funny?? 1
Jon the Hat Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 Mogg is never going to be PM, and I doubt he would want the job. As Matt says, it is great to see an MP who actually wants to debate, and indeed who can seperate his opinions from Government policy in a debate. He knows his views are not that of the majority, he just understands that it is ok to have a view that differs from your party and those you represent. Half of what is wrong with politics is that no one expresses an opinion any more because they fear the response. 1
David Guiza Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 23 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Is it just me who finds that very very funny?? In a Curb Your Enthusiasm kind of way, definitely. However, if it wasn't 'silly old Boris' then perhaps not. In some respects he's very much the Prince Philip of his generation, though his comments are usually born out of intellect and as part of an agenda, as opposed to being a dinosaur. On reflection it's a little more Hugh Abbott and Glen Cullen from earlier series of TTOI rather than BenTen Swain.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 Ban WhatsApp, ban cars, ban kidneys, ban everything paedos use. Thick cow. 3
foxinexile Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 37 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Ban WhatsApp, ban cars, ban kidneys, ban everything paedos use. Thick cow. The same Home Secretary who, only a few months ago, said: "The best people who understand the technology, who understand the necessary hashtags to stop this stuff even being put up [images of child sexual exploitation], not just taking it down, but stop it going up in the first place, are going to be them. That's why I'd like to have an industry-wide board set up where they do it themselves. They could do this, I want to make sure they do." So that would be image hashing Amber, not hashtag. Zero confidence in her as a Home Secretary. She's as incompetent as Boris.
Guest MattP Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 Rudd is pretty hopeless, probably only in the position because of identity politics. Although she's Einstein compared to the shadow home secretary.
The Doctor Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 10 minutes ago, foxinexile said: The same Home Secretary who, only a few months ago, said: "The best people who understand the technology, who understand the necessary hashtags to stop this stuff even being put up [images of child sexual exploitation], not just taking it down, but stop it going up in the first place, are going to be them. That's why I'd like to have an industry-wide board set up where they do it themselves. They could do this, I want to make sure they do." So that would be image hashing Amber, not hashtag. Zero confidence in her as a Home Secretary. She's as incompetent as Boris. In fairness, her and her party leader have suggested destroying any online economy and online banking (which is what their repeated calls to stop end to end encryption would result in), and down in Australia their prime minister (Malcolm turnbull) believes that their laws override the laws of mathematics (also on the subject of end to end encryption. It's not so much she's incompetent as it is a trend for major politicians to not understand the bits of computer science they need to for the policies they talk about. 1
foxinexile Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, MattP said: Rudd is pretty hopeless, probably only in the position because of identity politics. Although she's Einstein compared to the shadow home secretary. Absolutely. And in offering a balanced opinion, Diane Abbot's gaffes (during the General Election in particular) are borderline disturbing. That people in these positions can't get the fundamentals of what they're talking about right is so worrying. When talking about such serious subjects as child sexual exploitation and how much a party's policing policy costs, it's their absolute responsibility to get it right. There can be no excuses for mistakes like these, absolutely none. I've just watched Abbott's interview on LBC again. I genuinely do not know whether to laugh or cry over it still! Edited 3 October 2017 by foxinexile
Carl the Llama Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 3 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Ban WhatsApp, ban cars, ban kidneys, ban everything paedos use. Thick cow. Amber's right though, all the kids are on snapchat. 1
lifted*fox Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 Just seen some awful clip on newsnight of JRM. What a total ****ing melt lol. How can anyone take that guy seriously? Take a good hard look at yourself if you can watch / listen to more than about 5 seconds of this guy without cringing yourself into oblivion.
Sampson Posted 3 October 2017 Posted 3 October 2017 5 hours ago, foxinexile said: Absolutely. And in offering a balanced opinion, Diane Abbot's gaffes (during the General Election in particular) are borderline disturbing. That people in these positions can't get the fundamentals of what they're talking about right is so worrying. When talking about such serious subjects as child sexual exploitation and how much a party's policing policy costs, it's their absolute responsibility to get it right. There can be no excuses for mistakes like these, absolutely none. I've just watched Abbott's interview on LBC again. I genuinely do not know whether to laugh or cry over it still! The interview with LBC was one thing, but I don't think I've ever seen another Britisih politician apologise for the biggest mass murder and possibly the most evil man in human history and get away with it. I still have no idea how anyone can have a political career after something like that, let alone be a front-bencher.
Guest Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 So how do the Tories on here feel about the conservative conference not.having a debate.over Brexit, given your complaints about labour failing to.hold votes over Brexit?
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: So how do the Tories on here feel about the conservative conference not.having a debate.over Brexit, given your complaints about labour failing to.hold votes over Brexit? Nobody wants to debate it really until they can sort out a way of not leaving but making enough people think that we're leaving.
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 8 hours ago, lifted*fox said: Just seen some awful clip on newsnight of JRM. What a total ****ing melt lol. How can anyone take that guy seriously? Take a good hard look at yourself if you can watch / listen to more than about 5 seconds of this guy without cringing yourself into oblivion. He's articulate, erudite and speaks correctly, what's not to like? There is a reason even some SNP MP's admit they could listen to him speak all day. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/jacob-rees-mogg-finds-an-unlikely-fan-in-mhairi-black/ 1 hour ago, toddybad said: So how do the Tories on here feel about the conservative conference not.having a debate.over Brexit, given your complaints about labour failing to.hold votes over Brexit? Well it's not that neccessary given the Tories have a settled position and not a single MP rebelled at the last vote, but the accusation is fake news anyway. 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Jon the Hat Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41493370 Tories to help councils build more council houses. Boom.
bovril Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 11 hours ago, lifted*fox said: Just seen some awful clip on newsnight of JRM. What a total ****ing melt lol. How can anyone take that guy seriously? Take a good hard look at yourself if you can watch / listen to more than about 5 seconds of this guy without cringing yourself into oblivion. He's very intelligent and a good speaker but like Hitchens a lot of what he says is complete bullshit just said in a wonderfully erudite way.
David Guiza Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bovril said: He's very intelligent and a good speaker but like Hitchens a lot of what he says is complete bullshit just said in a wonderfully erudite way. Sounds like the Tory answer to Russell Brand . I see there's been no mention on here of Boris' latest quip about moving along dead bodies. Then again it's only us 'looney lefties' who find references to flinging dead bodies to one side to build the latest pleasure beach mildly offensive. Edited 4 October 2017 by David Guiza
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 7 minutes ago, bovril said: He's very intelligent and a good speaker but like Hitchens a lot of what he says is complete bullshit just said in a wonderfully erudite way. It's the confidence he has in his arguments that impresses me, never gets flustered at all and just calmly makes his point, if you know how to use, politeness is actually a brilliant weapon in debate. Far better than hearing Corbyn who often sounds like a semi-literate pissed up tramp at a bus stop when arguing, just shouting about how terrible things are with no solutions to anything except trying to take things off people.
Innovindil Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 6 minutes ago, David Guiza said: Sounds like the Tory answer to Russell Brand . I see there's been no mention on here of Boris' latest quip about moving along dead bodies. Then again it's only us 'looney lefties' who find references to flinging dead bodies to one side to build the latest pleasure bleach mildly offensive. Well I wouldn't visit a pleasure beach full of dead bodies either. Doesn't seem like a good thing to attract tourists, or investments.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41493370 Tories to help councils build more council houses. Boom. Successive governments have being saying this for 25 years. I don't believe a word of it.
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2017 Posted 4 October 2017 Just now, Bobby Hundreds said: Successive governments have being saying this for 25 years. I don't believe a word of it. Governments never want to build more housing for two reasons, one it's costs a fortune to do and secondly the more houses you have the value of the others drops and therefore the treasury takes a huge hit on stamp duty.
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