Webbo Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 7 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: You've got no response. Just admit it. Well two of your points are the same. Wages are declining slightly against inflation but that's predicted to change this year so you'll soon have to thnk of something new to moan about. We had the fastest growth rate recently, we're just ahead of most of Europe in the economic cycle. It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said: I largely agree with Izzy. I don't think he's a fool - but I do think he's a charlatan and a narcissist. He's not a fool, but he assumes that he can treat everyone else as fools. He is intelligent enough to know that half the stuff he says is garbage, but is so arrogant he thinks he can pull the wool over everyone's eyes with appealing lies and colourful imagery. At first, he was probably right about that. People found him entertaining and charismatic, compared to the other grey bullshitters. But I suspect most people (including many Tories) are wise to him now. The narcissism bit is that his need for attention and desire to get laughs is so great that he cannot resist coming out with off-the-cuff witticisms even when it is completely inappropriate. I don't believe for a minute that he's stupid enough to see the Irish border issue as comparable to the congestion charge zone or to see it as sensible to tell the EU to "whistle for" its divorce settlement. He just cannot resist playing to the crowd - and is so contemptuous of the public that he instinctively believes that he can fool them with his flamboyant phrases. I think he's been found out now and should go off and present a comedy quiz show on TV - he has the intelligence and wit to do that very well, without damaging the country. A fair assessment to be honest. I just think he's a twat and someone with the kind of attitude you've described above doesn't deserve to be in politics, especially as the UK's Foreign Sec. It's an absolute disgrace that we don't have someone of serious skill in that position who is also empathetic enough to realise that it isn't a ****ing joke - it's one of the most prestigious positions in politics and it should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Hahaha to think this is anything less than a ploy devised by John McDonnell to force an election is idiocy, advancing the left electorally is exactly what i want. The fact that you think I care about such bourgeoisie concepts as ****ing trade deals is hilarious I think you're right about it being a cynical ploy but Corbyn is supposed to be a man of principle. I feel for all those Labour voters who have been betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Hahaha to think this is anything less than a ploy devised by John McDonnell to force an election is idiocy, advancing the left electorally is exactly what i want. The fact that you think I care about such bourgeoisie concepts as ****ing trade deals is hilarious Spot on. Corbyn and McDonnell have as much intention of staying in the Customs Union as Jacob Rees-Mogg does, it's good politics, try and force division, bring about no confidence and hopefully force an election out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 14 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: LMAO Slowest growing economy in the G7 Wages plummeting Worst wage growth in the deveoped world for ten years "Just fine" You have very low standards. All whilst still in the EU...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: All whilst still in the EU...... yeah but everyone know's we're leaving now. or whatever webbo said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 Just now, lifted*fox said: yeah but everyone know's we're leaving now. or whatever webbo said. You were saying earlier nothings changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, lifted*fox said: yeah but everyone know's we're leaving now. or whatever webbo said. No answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 4 minutes ago, Webbo said: Well two of your points are the same. Wages are declining slightly against inflation but that's predicted to change this year so you'll soon have to thnk of something new to moan about. We had the fastest growth rate recently, we're just ahead of most of Europe in the economic cycle. It's all good. No it's two points. One is that wages are falling, the other is that our record on wages in the worst in the developed world over ten years. Both abysmal, yes. Not even going to bother with that 2nd point. Suffice to say if you knew that for sure you could make a killing in the stock market. You haven't, because you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: All whilst still in the EU...... All because of austerity which is a policy the EU had nothing to do with. Worst wage growth in the entire developed world. I know you self employed tory boys could not give a single **** about anyone else, but surely you can admit that being rock bottom in the entire developed world for the single most important economic measure for the vast majority of people is absolutely shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 Just now, Strokes said: You were saying earlier nothings changed I know Was just poking fun at Webbo's comment tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 Just now, Rogstanley said: No it's two points. One is that wages are falling, the other is that our record on wages in the worst in the developed world over ten years. Both abysmal, yes. Not even going to bother with that 2nd point. Suffice to say if you knew that for sure you could make a killing in the stock market. You haven't, because you don't. Well someone's making a killing in the stock market because that's hit record highs since we voted too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: All because of austerity which is a policy the EU had nothing to do with. Worst wage growth in the entire developed world. I know you self employed tory boys could not give a single **** about anyone else, but surely you can admit that being rock bottom in the entire developed world for the single most important economic measure for the vast majority of people is absolutely shit. I’m not self employed, although I could be but I’m on an ok number right now with little risk. Of course I care about others, I’ve worked at minimum wage jobs for agencies within the last 10 years and lived hand to mouth, I know what it is like at the bottom and I do let that experience influence my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 9 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: A fair assessment to be honest. I just think he's a twat and someone with the kind of attitude you've described above doesn't deserve to be in politics, especially as the UK's Foreign Sec. It's an absolute disgrace that we don't have someone of serious skill in that position who is also empathetic enough to realise that it isn't a ****ing joke - it's one of the most prestigious positions in politics and it should be treated as such. Another thing I think we the people want from our political leaders (as well as high EQ and high IQ) is that they're seen as both credible and approachable. Obama was the master at this for me. He was serious, informed, demanding and uncompromising when he needed to be (credible) but also a 'man of the people', empathetic, kind, warm and friendly (approachable) The problem Gordon Brown had for example (and TM) is that people don't see them as approachable. The problem Boris (and maybe Corbyn) have is that people don't see them as credible. Trump on the other hand could be seen as neither credible or approachable which is why most people think he's a cvnt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Well someone's making a killing in the stock market because that's hit record highs since we voted too. Thanks to the collapsing pound and the fact that most FTSE100 revenues come from abroad. It's in no way a reflection on the strength or success of the British economy. Besides the stock market being at record levels isn't surprising. But for the dot com boom which set an unusually high record before crashing, it would have been at record highs for most of the last 40 years. That's normal, something that generally goes up will regularly be hitting new record highs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: I’m not self employed, although I could be but I’m on an ok number right now with little risk. Of course I care about others, I’ve worked at minimum wage jobs for agencies within the last 10 years and lived hand to mouth, I know what it is like at the bottom and I do let that experience influence my vote. Atta boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Another thing I think we the people want from our political leaders (as well as high EQ and high IQ) is that they're seen as both credible and approachable. Obama was the master at this for me. He was serious, informed, demanding and uncompromising when he needed to be (credible) but also a 'man of the people', empathetic, kind, warm and friendly (approachable) The problem Gordon Brown had for example (and TM) is that people don't see them as approachable. The problem Boris (and maybe Corbyn) have is that people don't see them as credible. Trump on the other hand could be seen as neither credible or approachable which is why most people think he's a cvnt. 2 The fact that he was elected seriously undermines your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Rogstanley said: Thanks to the collapsing pound and the fact that most FTSE100 revenues come from abroad. It's in no way a reflection on the strength or success of the British economy. Besides the stock market being at record levels isn't surprising. But for the dot com boom which set an unusually high record before crashing, it would have been at record highs for most of the last 40 years. That's normal, something that generally goes up will regularly be hitting new record highs. I'm sure if it was going down it would be considered a reflection on the British economy. Just admit it, none of project fear has come true and you look a bit silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Atta boy So what is your experience of life at the bottom? How do you know what poor people want and feel, how do you feel you are in touch with the working class? Give me a some reason to believe you’re not just some preachy, judgemental champagne socialist, that when it comes to the crunch only wants to help the needy so long as it doesn’t really affect you and your lifestyle. Edited 27 February 2018 by Strokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: The fact that he was elected seriously undermines your argument. I'm talking about him in his role of president now. Most who voted for him probably thought he was credible (because of his business success) and he did a great job of engaging voters (approachable) I'd say his track record of actually doing the job of POTUS suggests he's demonstrating neither of those traits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 Just now, Izzy Muzzett said: I'm talking about him in his role of president now. Most who voted for him probably thought he was credible (because of his business success) and he did a great job of engaging voters (approachable) I'd say his track record of actually doing the job of POTUS suggests he's demonstrating neither of those traits That will depend on how you measure success I guess, don’t get me wrong I agree but people measure success for governments and presidents in very different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: So what is your experience of life at the bottom? How do you know what poor people want and feel, how do you feel you are in touch with the working class? Give me a some reason to believe you’re not just some preachy, judgemental champagne socialist, that when it comes to the crunch only wants to help the needy so long as it doesn’t really affect them and their lifestyle. It's Moose, he doesn't believe a word of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: It's Moose, he doesn't believe a word of it. Same IP address? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 4 minutes ago, Webbo said: It's Moose, he doesn't believe a word of it. I know it’s moose, that’s why I don’t normally respond seriously to him but seeing how we get told off for our posting in here now, I thought I’d try and be a bit less cùntish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 27 February 2018 Share Posted 27 February 2018 Just now, Wymeswold fox said: Same IP address? No, it was when he said he wanted to work in the middle east again. Moose used to say that too. I wasn't sure until then but on top of all the other similarities I'm pretty certain now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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