Guest MattP Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 2 minutes ago, Donut said: Weve stuffed up. We hide behind "sovereignty" as the reason. Sovereignty cant be quantified thankfully. All the things that can be quantified like forecasted growth, the customs plans, reductions in trade....they show we will be stuffed. Facts vs Feelings. Feelings won. Everyone suffers. Do you actually hold the EU responsible for any of the ill-feeling towards them?
Guest Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 Just now, Webbo said: Can forecasts be quantified? They're educated guesses at best and the people making the guesses don't have a great track record. No, you're right. So far this year our economy has done worse than any of the forecasts.
Guest Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 Just now, Webbo said: Can forecasts be quantified? They're educated guesses at best and the people making the guesses don't have a great track record. No, you're right. So far this year our economy has done worse than any of the forecasts.
Webbo Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: No, you're right. So far this year our economy has done worse than any of the forecasts.
Guest Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Do you actually hold the EU responsible for any of the ill-feeling towards them? It's all BS. Single currency - we're not in it and those that are voted for it. Migrant quotas - how have these affected is given that we've taken almost no refugees recently. ECJ - the ECJ that had done more to protect our rights, data, beach and air quality than ANY UK government? Terrible. Basically the whole thing is about immigration. I'm calling it now. It's all Farage ever went on about and is the reason that the BNP and then UKIP became players in the UK. You can tell me it was not that for you, well great, but it was for many. Edited 11 June 2018 by Guest
Donut Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Can forecasts be quantified? They're educated guesses at best and the people making the guesses don't have a great track record. Whats more realistic, a calculated guess based on past numbers and trends Or a calculated guess based on thin air because no one has a clue whats going to happen and every single voter wants something different. Look at what the Dutch government said last week.....look for suppliers within the EU as there is certainty over customs arrangements and tarrifs for manufacturing. And the fact that we have no idea as yet how to maintain just in time supply chains with customers like those in Holland. Some companies have already moved their manufacturing out there already, to other European countries. We can pretend this sort of stuff doesn't exist by all means. Or we can just say "sovereignty" as if its the answer. Is sovereignty going to bring back the jobs of those laid off when the company relocated? or pay their bills while unemployed. no. 3
Guest Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: Laugh it up next time you meet the workers of a toys r us, mothercare, maplins etc etc etc. Over 10,000 jobs lost just in the last 3/4 days. That's 10,000 families affected by the coming disaster. Edited 11 June 2018 by Guest
Guest MattP Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: It's all BS. Single currency - we're not in it and those that are voted for it. Migrant quotas - how have these affected is given that we've taken almost no refugees recently. ECJ - the ECJ that had done more to protect our rights, data, beach and air quality than ANY UK government? Terrible. Basically the whole thing is about immigration. I'm calling it now. It's all Farage ever went on about and is the reason that the BNP and then UKIP became players in the UK. You can tell me it was not that for you, well great, but it was for many. Yawn, so, so boring and such a terrible attempt at a rewriting of history. Yet again you are calling it and you are totally wrong. 17.4 million voted to Leave, the most votes UKIP ever got was about 3million and the BNP got a fraction of that.
Carl the Llama Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: It's all BS. Single currency - we're not in it and those that are voted for it. Migrant quotas - how have these affected is given that we've taken almost no refugees recently. ECJ - the ECJ that had done more to protect our rights, data, beach and air quality than ANY UK government? Terrible. Basically the whole thing is about immigration. I'm calling it now. It's all Farage ever went on about and is the reason that the BNP and then UKIP became players in the UK. You cat green me it was not that for you, well since, but it was for many.
CarbonVirtine Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: Laugh it up next time you meet the workers of a toys r us, mothercare, maplins etc etc etc. Over 10,000 jobs lost just in the last 3/4 days. That's 10,000 families affected by the coming disaster. Poundworld too now. That's another 5,000 jobs at risk apparently.
Donut Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 The ECJ thing anyway.....not being under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. We will be under a court of arbitration of some kind. You've got to play by someones rules. You cant just say we are Britian, its our ball and we do what we like
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Laugh it up next time you meet the workers of a toys r us, motherboard, maplins etc etc etc. Over 10,000 jobs lost just in the last 3/4 days. That's 10,000 families affected by the coming disaster. That's nothing to do with the economy and everything to do with the changing face of the retail market place. Perhaps if the pseudo socialists of the world, stopped using Amazon, stopped drinking at Starbucks, stopped tweeting on twitter, Facebooking on Facebook on their iPhones and went out into the real world, these places could make some profit and they might pay the correct tax too. Of course I am yet to meet a Corbyn voters who doesn't do any of the above. Whats the disaster then? When a bunch of clueless middle class whiners elect a clueless middle class socialist and his bunch of halfwits to run the country at the election? Yes you are correct we are yet to see a disaster or calamity like it for ordinary working class people. I am sure the people in the Islington bubble will be ok though.
Guest MattP Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 1 minute ago, Donut said: The ECJ thing anyway.....not being under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. We will be under a court of arbitration of some kind. You've got to play by someones rules. You cant just say we are Britian, its our ball and we do what we like Actually you can, it's quite easy. Most countries in the World do that when it comes to their own justice system.
Donut Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 7 minutes ago, MattP said: Yawn, so, so boring and such a terrible attempt at a rewriting of history. Yet again you are calling it and you are totally wrong. 17.4 million voted to Leave, the most votes UKIP ever got was about 3million and the BNP got a fraction of that. I reckon immigration played a huge part in the vote. Its just a lot of brexiters are either too proud to admit it, or they don't want to be looked on as being racists (even if they are) for going for the immigration angle. That's why in the run up to the referendum we had "breaking point" posters and not "sovereignty" posters. The referendum campaign was fought on false promises, made up economics, the idea the whole world was queuing up to trade with us, and immigrants. As all the promises fall away, people cling more to sovereignty as it cant be measured and proved to be false, and then hide behind the idea they knowingly voted to make themselves poorer because its worthwhile. Id even go as far as saying, for 99% of people on here, they couldn't give one sensible rational reason as to how the EU was damaging their life on a day to day basis. Not one. 2
Guest Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 8 minutes ago, MattP said: Actually you can, it's quite easy. Most countries in the World do that when it comes to their own justice system. All those terrible laws we can escape from.
ealingfox Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 16 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: That's nothing to do with the economy and everything to do with the changing face of the retail market place. Perhaps if the pseudo socialists of the world, stopped using Amazon, stopped drinking at Starbucks, stopped tweeting on twitter, Facebooking on Facebook on their iPhones and went out into the real world, these places could make some profit and they might pay the correct tax too. Of course I am yet to meet a Corbyn voters who doesn't do any of the above. Whats the disaster then? When a bunch of clueless middle class whiners elect a clueless middle class socialist and his bunch of halfwits to run the country at the election? Yes you are correct we are yet to see a disaster or calamity like it for ordinary working class people. I am sure the people in the Islington bubble will be ok though. What absolute nonsense. What on earth are you on about? 1
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 11 June 2018 Popular Post Posted 11 June 2018 38 minutes ago, MattP said: Correct. They had such a good thing going, the single market was bringing growth and prosperity for all and then they ****ed it up, a single currency that would impoverish parts of the South, interference on national government, deciding for a central court, migrant quotas etc etc To quote Mike from Breaking Bad - "We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch! We had Fring. We had a lab. We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, cooked and made as much money as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your pride and your ego! You just had to be the man. If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now" They really did balls it up. No, they had a bunch of false promises and unrealistic expectations based on the notion we'd just go and bend the Europeans over and get our own way. Which nobody really wanted except a partisan voting block of, let's be honest, deny it til you're blue in the face, you won't change anyone's mind, racist bigots (not all of you I concede.) Now they realise that what was voted for isn't really achievable and isn't really what the majority, especially the young majority, actually want. Referendum again today and it's remain by a landslide. They know that, everyone knows that. 5
Guest Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 (edited) Add to this the fact that leading Brexiteers don't even understand the rules they are railing against and the whole thing is a national embarrassment. I honestly think the likes of Boris, Gove, DD, Redwood, IDS and JRM need to be standing trial once this whole thing is over. Rees-Mogg: no need for customs checks at Dover in no-deal Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/11/rees-mogg-no-need-for-customs-checks-at-dover-in-no-deal-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Edited 11 June 2018 by Guest
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: Add to this the fact that leading Brexiteers don't even understand the rules they are railing against and the whole thing is a national embarrassment. Rees-Mogg: no need for customs checks at Dover in no-deal Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/11/rees-mogg-no-need-for-customs-checks-at-dover-in-no-deal-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Wow. What a complete idiot. So taking back control means outsourcing customs checks! Cant wait for the French to be sending us boat loads of anything they cant be bothered to deal with on their own shores and for a nice hefty fee. What a bellend
Donut Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Wow. What a complete idiot. So taking back control means outsourcing customs checks! Cant wait for the French to be sending us boat loads of anything they cant be bothered to deal with on their own shores and for a nice hefty fee. What a bellend He said a few weeks ago that the republic of Ireland should leave the customs union to maintain regulatory alignment with northern Ireland. But he says it in a toffs voice which means he isn't exposed as being a total and utter bellend, and treasonous.
Buce Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 22 minutes ago, Finnegan said: No, they had a bunch of false promises and unrealistic expectations based on the notion we'd just go and bend the Europeans over and get our own way. Which nobody really wanted except a partisan voting block of, let's be honest, deny it til you're blue in the face, you won't change anyone's mind, racist bigots (not all of you I concede.) Now they realise that what was voted for isn't really achievable and isn't really what the majority, especially the young majority, actually want. Referendum again today and it's remain by a landslide. They know that, everyone knows that. 3 Of course. It's why every time it's proposed, they start bleating about democracy - they know Brexit is a busted flush, and the only ones left supporting it are the Little Englanders and the xenophobes. 1
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 3 minutes ago, Donut said: He said a few weeks ago that the republic of Ireland should leave the customs union to maintain regulatory alignment with northern Ireland. But he says it in a toffs voice which means he isn't exposed as being a total and utter bellend, and treasonous. Wow, the incredible arrogance of that
Finnegan Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buce said: Of course. It's why every time it's proposed, they start bleating about democracy - they know Brexit is a busted flush, and the only ones left supporting it are the Little Englanders and the xenophobes. Tbf to the Tories they're absolutely ****ed. Don't deliver what was voted for and its a kop out, they'll be torn a new one by the right wing press and their core voters. Do deliver and they'll piss off my generation (and younger) for the foreseeable. Old Lady Mavis Coffindodger isn't going to be voting Tory forever. Edited 11 June 2018 by Finnegan
Donut Posted 11 June 2018 Posted 11 June 2018 (edited) And the idea that the EU is a house of cards that's about to fall apart is complete pony too. Holland, France and Austria have all had their populists beaten, new countries are trying to join the EU for its benefits, and the only country stupid enough to punch themselves in the face was the UK.......and even then it was only 52% of the people who wanted to then. Many of whom thinking it was a good way to put one over on the establishment. Edited 11 June 2018 by Donut 1
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