thebartonfox Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 On the Irish issue, it's something I'd never really known much about until I moved over to Northern Ireland last year. Admittedly it greatly varies by area, but almost everyone I have spoken to it about wants a united Ireland. As an Englishman over here you do feel a certain degree of hostility from some people, which I naively didn't expect. For what it's worth, and I admit I generally only hear one side of the story over here, it feels a different place to England and much more similar to the Republic than places I've ever lived in England. I don't see why it should be forced to be a part of the UK.
Strokes Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 1 minute ago, thebartonfox said: On the Irish issue, it's something I'd never really known much about until I moved over to Northern Ireland last year. Admittedly it greatly varies by area, but almost everyone I have spoken to it about wants a united Ireland. As an Englishman over here you do feel a certain degree of hostility from some people, which I naively didn't expect. For what it's worth, and I admit I generally only hear one side of the story over here, it feels a different place to England and much more similar to the Republic than places I've ever lived in England. I don't see why it should be forced to be a part of the UK. I’m all for granting countries freedoms from oppressive overlords.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 31 minutes ago, MattP said: Me and Webbo both buy it. Despite being anti-Brexit it is a great Sunday paper, Peter Hitchins is the best SC going apart from Rod Liddle, Hodges is pretty good and the investigative journalism is comfortably the best, they sweep up all the awards on that for a reason. Amazed. They are literally at jouno war with each other. Always have been. As I said, I don't think anyone who complains about the Mail on Sunday has read it since 1965. It's not my cup of tea, I read the Times, but they do have a few decent columnists. The take-up isn't low either - it's the biggest selling Sunday paper now. It's not that amazing. I know people that buy one newspaper and not another, and it turns out that it's probably because it's different. Do people complain about the Mail on Sunday? Greig isn't a hate figure like Dacre is, I know that much. Anyway, what effect do you think one of the warring editors replacing the other will have, if any?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: I'm by no means the biggest fan of the Mail, but the Stephen Lawrence headline was a diamond in the middle of the pig excrement of sensationalism and dog-whistles they normally enjoy printing. I've always been cynical about this, it's not really known for doing the right thing, is it? Maybe not so ruddy bloody brave after all: https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brian-cathcart/murderers-of-myths-macpherson-and-daily-mail
Guest MattP Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 1 hour ago, Bellend Sebastian said: It's not that amazing. I know people that buy one newspaper and not another, and it turns out that it's probably because it's different. Do people complain about the Mail on Sunday? Greig isn't a hate figure like Dacre is, I know that much. Anyway, what effect do you think one of the warring editors replacing the other will have, if any? No idea, never read the Daily Mail. I just chuckle at the folk who get upset about it. I'll continue to read MoS assuming the columnists continue and the Sunday mag is great.
Guest MattP Posted 7 June 2018 Posted 7 June 2018 Alan Johnson really is great, how was he never Labour leader?
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 12 hours ago, MattP said: Really? It's probably the most vociferous Sunday pro-remain paper aside from the Observer. Then again a lot of people I've met who shout about "the mail" often seem to know nothing about it. Dacre was never my cup of tea but have to credit him for one thing, the Lawrence headline was the most brave decision I think an editor has made. In fairness despite the vitriol spread about it. The Mail has also championed a few environmental issues, they were quite vocal in trying to get plastic bag use reduced. Also trying to get the use of other plastics reduced. I occasionally flick trough the papers in the canteen at work as we have a wide selection. Daily Star is still as quality as ever!
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 9 hours ago, MattP said: Alan Johnson really is great, how was he never Labour leader? Because he is not an incompetent?
Buce Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 1 hour ago, Foxin_mad said: In fairness despite the vitriol spread about it. The Mail has also championed a few environmental issues, they were quite vocal in trying to get plastic bag use reduced. Also trying to get the use of other plastics reduced. I occasionally flick trough the papers in the canteen at work as we have a wide selection. Daily Star is still as quality as ever! Surely you don't condone your employees wasting money on newspapers? You must be paying them too much.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buce said: Surely you don't condone your employees wasting money on newspapers? You must be paying them too much. They can buy them as long as they are not buying them instead of getting their children a meal. Maybe, most of them are on above the minimum wage as they are trained and skilled. Some aren't. Edited 8 June 2018 by Foxin_mad
leicsmac Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 11 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said: I've always been cynical about this, it's not really known for doing the right thing, is it? Maybe not so ruddy bloody brave after all: https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brian-cathcart/murderers-of-myths-macpherson-and-daily-mail Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure what the Mail did didn't, in fact, lead to any more improved judicial process than there was already as the Mail likes to champion. However, just calling out the Lawrence murderers in itself in that way was ballsy and deserving of at least some props.
Webbo Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: These figures are even more encouraging (to me)
Bellend Sebastian Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 28 minutes ago, Webbo said: These figures are even more encouraging (to me) Based on a sample of the last 17 people they could find who hadn't simply lain down in the street and died
Carl the Llama Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 12 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Based on a sample of the last 17 people they could find who hadn't simply lain down in the street and died #relevant 1
Guest Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 Usual survey caveats. For balance. Survation‘s topline figures are CON 41%(nc), LAB 40%(nc), LDEM 9%(+1). Changes are since mid May. Like YouGov, Survation have shown a steady position for the last couple of months, but there’s an obvious contrast in terms of what that position is – YouGov have a steady small Tory lead, Survation are showing the parties steadily neck-and-neck. There’s not an obvious methodological reason for this (while Survation have a very distinct sampling approach to their phone polls, this is an online poll and their online polls use broadly similar methods to YouGov, ICM and other companies, so there’s no obvious reason for differing results). Full tabs for the Survation poll are here.
Buce Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 33 minutes ago, toddybad said: Usual survey caveats. For balance. Survation‘s topline figures are CON 41%(nc), LAB 40%(nc), LDEM 9%(+1). Changes are since mid May. Like YouGov, Survation have shown a steady position for the last couple of months, but there’s an obvious contrast in terms of what that position is – YouGov have a steady small Tory lead, Survation are showing the parties steadily neck-and-neck. There’s not an obvious methodological reason for this (while Survation have a very distinct sampling approach to their phone polls, this is an online poll and their online polls use broadly similar methods to YouGov, ICM and other companies, so there’s no obvious reason for differing results). Full tabs for the Survation poll are here. It makes me laugh how the Tories on here wet their pants over every meaningless poll - anything to deflect attention from the complete fvcking disaster of the Brexit negotiations.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 2 minutes ago, Buce said: It makes me laugh how the Tories on here wet their pants over every meaningless poll - anything to deflect attention from the complete fvcking disaster of the Brexit negotiations. The only person that came even slightly close to 'wetting themselves' was DT. In fact I think you 'wet yourself' more about the fact Matt posts polls than anyone does about the content
Sharpe's Fox Posted 8 June 2018 Posted 8 June 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, MattP said: Nearly every movement are to and from don’t know. There is barely any movement to and from lab and con whatsoever, in fact lab has marginally more 2017 cons than cons have 2017 labs. Most switches are 2017 lab to lib but this shouldn’t be worrying for Labour as lib don’t have a solid bloc. Movements from EDC2 to con is due to pensioners in E class, social index is a bad metric of wealth even if you’re not a leftist like me. Edited 8 June 2018 by Sharpe's Fox
leicsmac Posted 9 June 2018 Posted 9 June 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44423072 Not telling us much beyond what we already know...but what does May do here? Side with the US? Side with everyone else? Take a third option of some sort?
Milo Posted 9 June 2018 Posted 9 June 2018 On 08/06/2018 at 19:53, Buce said: It makes me laugh how the Tories on here wet their pants over every meaningless poll - anything to deflect attention from the complete fvcking disaster of the Brexit negotiations. The fact that there is an absolute fvckwit in charge of negotiations shouldn't detract from the principle of the referandum vote. You shouldn't muddle Brexit as an entity with the clowns that are trying to facilitate it.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 June 2018 Author Posted 9 June 2018 (edited) When a love island contestant is accidentally more coherent than the current government on Brexit https://articulatelive.wordpress.com/2018/06/09/lov-exit-when-the-worlds-of-love-island-and-brexit-collide/#more-5474 Edited 9 June 2018 by DJ Barry Hammond
Vacamion Posted 10 June 2018 Posted 10 June 2018 Brexit won by 2%. None of the Times or Observer headlines about Russians working with the chief funds supplier of the leave campaign surprise me, but I don't think it will make any difference, though. I think the UK is destined to be stuck walking around a boundless field with an infinite number of rakes, forever.
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