Beechey Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 (edited) I'm weirdly enjoying this drama Edited 16 July 2018 by Beechey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 34 minutes ago, Buce said: Torygraph readers say May 'guilty of treason'. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/07/11/theresa-may-guilty-treason-plenty-readers-think-politicians/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1531289682 String her up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 Burn the witch ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 39 minutes ago, Beechey said: I'm weirdly enjoying this drama The remainers have been threatening/blackmailing the govt, using spoiling tactics for over a year. Did they think the Brexiteers were just going let them win and not do the same? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 39 minutes ago, Strokes said: String her up! Meh. Do what you like with her, but there are plenty of Tories that I'd see hang before her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 15 minutes ago, Webbo said: The remainers have been threatening/blackmailing the govt, using spoiling tactics for over a year. Did they think the Brexiteers were just going let them win and not do the same? Bizarre they are being called rebels given the ERG are the ones actually making sure that May and her government sticks to what she promised in her Lancaster house speech and the Conservative manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 (edited) This whole Brexit debacle is becoming more difficult to get to grips with than Westworld. The fact that Justine Greening, a prominent Remainer has now suggested a second referendum a week after fully endorsing the new 'White paper' seems to signify that she really thinks this will end up as a 'no deal' Brexit. It has been a fantastic demonstration of how not to negotiate. The EU say' that is not negotiable' and we say ok how about this another 'no' and another 'no' as we have continued to weaken our stance, it is a million miles away from her 'Mansion House speech'. It really is difficult to see past a 'no deal' now surely as we have backed ourselves into this position where it appears to be not acceptable to either side of the remain or leave camps, the EU are going to want more concessions and that will surely make it untenable for politicians or the public. Edited 16 July 2018 by The Guvnor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 20 minutes ago, Webbo said: The remainers have been threatening/blackmailing the govt, using spoiling tactics for over a year. Did they think the Brexiteers were just going let them win and not do the same? There are more remainers that Brexiters in parliament. JRM and his cronies aren't Brexiters, they're madmen. Leavers have been giving more and more rightward ever since the vote to the punt half of you would genuinely walk away with absolutely no plan in place. The likes of soubry etc are trying to make Brexit painless, not stop it. Leavers are paranoid delusionals these days. 4 minutes ago, MattP said: Bizarre they are being called rebels given the ERG are the ones actually making sure that May and her government sticks to what she promised in her Lancaster house speech and the Conservative manifesto. No, they want her to go far further. They are ideologues and zealots. JRM and his cronies are dangerous for this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 27 minutes ago, Webbo said: The remainers have been threatening/blackmailing the govt, using spoiling tactics for over a year. Did they think the Brexiteers were just going let them win and not do the same? So being political shithouses is ok because the other guys are doing it? It's just like the pre-ref campaigns all over again where brexiters accused the remain camp of project fear while fully endorsing the scaremongering rhetoric from their own ranks. The absolute state of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 12 minutes ago, toddybad said: No, they want her to go far further. They are ideologues and zealots. JRM and his cronies are dangerous for this country. No they haven't at all. Nothing the ERG has proposed yet as government policy is further than the manifesto or Lancaster house. Feel free to disprove it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 8 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: So being political shithouses is ok because the other guys are doing it? It's just like the pre-ref campaigns all over again where brexiters accused the remain camp of project fear while fully endorsing the scaremongering rhetoric from their own ranks. The absolute state of it all. They are just trying to make sure the government delivers on its manifesto promises, I don’t see how they are being shithouses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buce Posted 16 July 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 16 July 2018 I think it's a fvcking disgrace that they're all fvcking off on holiday soon. They should be made to stay and sort this mess out. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: They are just trying to make sure the government delivers on its manifesto promises, I don’t see how they are being shithouses. And the remainers are just trying to make sure we don't ruin the country chasing pie in the sky promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 26 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: So being political shithouses is ok because the other guys are doing it? It's just like the pre-ref campaigns all over again where brexiters accused the remain camp of project fear while fully endorsing the scaremongering rhetoric from their own ranks. The absolute state of it all. Bit hypocritical to complain about it when they've been doing the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 26 minutes ago, toddybad said: There are more remainers that Brexiters in parliament. JRM and his cronies aren't Brexiters, they're madmen. Leavers have been giving more and more rightward ever since the vote to the punt half of you would genuinely walk away with absolutely no plan in place. The likes of soubry etc are trying to make Brexit painless, not stop it. Leavers are paranoid delusionals these days. No, they want her to go far further. They are ideologues and zealots. JRM and his cronies are dangerous for this country. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: Bit hypocritical to complain about it when they've been doing the same. Yeah that's a good summary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 13 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: And the remainers are just trying to make sure we don't ruin the country chasing pie in the sky promises. That’s your opinion Carl but they are going against the referendum and the manifesto, so it’s not the same and it isn’t hypocritical to think ones ok and not another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: That’s your opinion Carl but they are going against the referendum and the manifesto, so it’s not the same and it isn’t hypocritical to think ones ok and not another. It's not as cut and dry as that and you know it. We're talking just under 50% of voters disagreeing with the referendum and we're talking manifesto promises that were always unrealistic, like promising free trade deals with the EU and other nations. A cynic would say they were just election bait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: That’s your opinion Carl but they are going against the referendum and the manifesto, so it’s not the same and it isn’t hypocritical to think ones ok and not another. I don't recall any of you complaining when the Tories dropped the rest of the manifesto before the end of election night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 4 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: It's not as cut and dry as that and you know it. We're talking just under 50% of voters disagreeing with the referendum and we're talking manifesto promises that were always unrealistic, like promising free trade deals with the EU and other nations. A cynic would say they were just election bait. They aren’t unrealistic at all, plenty of countries outside the EU have free trade deals with the EU and other countries. The timescale and method of delivery is up for debate but that’s possible as there are examples of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: I don't recall any of you complaining when the Tories dropped the rest of the manifesto before the end of election night. I’m not complaining now either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 7 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: It's not as cut and dry as that and you know it. We're talking just under 50% of voters disagreeing with the referendum and we're talking manifesto promises that were always unrealistic, like promising free trade deals with the EU and other nations. A cynic would say they were just election bait. The manifesto didn't promise that at all. It said we would try and pursue free trade deals. What was explicitly clear was to do that we would need to leave the single market and the customs union, which some Conservative MPS now appear to be going back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 45 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: So being political shithouses is ok because the other guys are doing it? It's just like the pre-ref campaigns all over again where brexiters accused the remain camp of project fear while fully endorsing the scaremongering rhetoric from their own ranks. The absolute state of it all. 18 minutes ago, Webbo said: Bit hypocritical to complain about it when they've been doing the same. I think Carl just got mansplained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathrow fox Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 George galloways brexit plan. June 24th 2016 send EU an email explaining that the people of Great Britain have had a referendum and have decided to leave the EU. As of today we will no longer pay any contributions to the EU and in return we won’t receive any contributions from the EU. We won’t put any trade tariffs on any goods and services from the EU.Unless you decide to put tariffs on goods and services from the UK.If you decide to put tariffs on our goods and services,we will have to reconsider our position. Any EU national currently resident in the U.K. as of June 23 2016 will continue to have full rights to live and work in the U.K.In return we will expect any UK national to have full rights to live and work in the EU.If you put restrictions on U.K. nationals again we will reconsider our position. We will continue to keep the EUs high standards regarding workers rights and the environment.In fact we will strive to improve them. We will continue to work alongside the EU and our allies regarding national security and expect you to do the same. goodbye Still havernt heard an argument that stands up against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 July 2018 Share Posted 16 July 2018 9 minutes ago, MattP said: The manifesto didn't promise that at all. It said we would try and pursue free trade deals. What was explicitly clear was to do that we would need to leave the single market and the customs union, which some Conservative MPS now appear to be going back on. Had those MPs hidden their views re Brexit and was the election solely about Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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