Nick Posted 16 September 2018 Posted 16 September 2018 22 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Not once do I dictate the word of one,only the rafts of wisdom,that drift slowly on the cessation of time that drift along each other's bows,and exchange each and ones internal findings,to keep to develops the being which is in ones self,and not ideologies to obtain to keep to oneself,while the raft itself Begins to disintergrate,it's seen it's only the sharing of wisdom,that one collects that holds the rafts bindings together in the cessation of storms that brewed in the past and present,and to gather in the future.....Ignorance and non-sharing of ones-self in and across any cessation of time, can only lead to abandoment,or break up into the chaos of the witherings and nurturing of wisdom and the boundaries of freedom within ones own self. Ps...mind you I put the real ouness on the Wombles,and the Boogie You are to indulgent flowery writings what MattP is to Corbyn sensationalism. 1
fuchsntf Posted 16 September 2018 Posted 16 September 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: You are to indulgent flowery writings what MattP is to Corbyn sensationalism. Gee. Thanks.. Edited 16 September 2018 by fuchsntf 1
Guest MattP Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boost-for-may-as-eu-backs-irish-border-plan-fqpf06s62 The major issue nearly solved by the looks of it.
bovril Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/historical-nonsense-underpins-uk-s-brexit-floundering-1.3630936?mode=amp An interesting read.
SMX11 Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 5 hours ago, MattP said: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boost-for-may-as-eu-backs-irish-border-plan-fqpf06s62 The major issue nearly solved by the looks of it. When push comes to shove the EU will conceed ground. Shame we have been fixated by this border issue, sense prevails in the end (I hope).
Guest MattP Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 2 minutes ago, SMX11 said: When push comes to shove the EU will conceed ground. Shame we have been fixated by this border issue, sense prevails in the end (I hope). It was clearly politically convenient for certain people in parliament to blow up the issue as big as possible in an attempt to either reverse the deal or at least keep us in the customs union. The voices at the start that said technology would solve the problems appear to have been right all along.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 1 hour ago, MattP said: It was clearly politically convenient for certain people in parliament to blow up the issue as big as possible in an attempt to either reverse the deal or at least keep us in the customs union. The voices at the start that said technology would solve the problems appear to have been right all along. Look like Varadkar needs to get his finger out once he’s cleaned it and start putting pressure on May again come on Leo kill this government.
Guest MattP Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Look like Varadkar needs to get his finger out once he’s cleaned it and start putting pressure on May again come on Leo kill this government. He'll do exactly what he is told by the European Union.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 On 15/09/2018 at 13:44, fuchsntf said: Not once do I dictate the word of one,only the rafts of wisdom,that drift slowly on the cessation of time that drift along each other's bows,and exchange each and ones internal findings,to keep to develops the being which is in ones self,and not ideologies to obtain to keep to oneself,while the raft itself Begins to disintergrate,it's seen it's only the sharing of wisdom,that one collects that holds the rafts bindings together in the cessation of storms that brewed in the past and present,and to gather in the future.....Ignorance and non-sharing of ones-self in and across any cessation of time, can only lead to abandoment,or break up into the chaos of the witherings and nurturing of wisdom and the boundaries of freedom within ones own self. Ps...mind you I put the real ouness on the Wombles,and the Boogie I'll have a good few pints of whatever you're on please!
fuchsntf Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 27 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: I'll have a good few pints of whatever you're on please! Craft beer,with a nice meditating choice of medicament of painkillers,and Insulin... plus reaching the 7 chakra enlightment,and awakening,that shows the shining path ,enabling one To chose the right beer,and to chase and embrace the Spirits of the corn and rhy.. It is always a hard disciplined path to chose...either that or be a pirate..... 1
Sharpe's Fox Posted 17 September 2018 Posted 17 September 2018 3 hours ago, MattP said: He'll do exactly what he is told by the European Union. You’re spot on.
leicsmac Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/09/bulk-interception-by-gchq-and-nsa-violated-human-rights-charter-european-court-rules/ Would be interested in thoughts on this one.
Innovindil Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 17 minutes ago, leicsmac said: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/09/bulk-interception-by-gchq-and-nsa-violated-human-rights-charter-european-court-rules/ Would be interested in thoughts on this one. Might need you to start this off. I've read through it and can't see what's important about it. It indicated that there has been no abuse of power, or any evidence at all to even suggest there has been an abuse of power. The conclusion is "there might be an abuse of power in the future, so more 'safeguards' are needed"? Seems a mountain out of a less than molehill imo.
leicsmac Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 10 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Might need you to start this off. I've read through it and can't see what's important about it. It indicated that there has been no abuse of power, or any evidence at all to even suggest there has been an abuse of power. The conclusion is "there might be an abuse of power in the future, so more 'safeguards' are needed"? Seems a mountain out of a less than molehill imo. Was just posting it as a discussion piece tbh as I think there's several points of view that could be expressed - my most notable two are that yeah, they didn't find any abuses of power but are concerned about there being so in the future and (leading on from that) I wonder how much of that judgement comes from the ECHR being pretty sure GCHQ and the various US agencies are doing some questionable stuff, but with the ECHR really having no teeth to speak of (especially where the various US alphabeticised goon squads are concerned, remember what Bolton said about the International Criminal Court recently) a judgement that they're actually doing bad stuff wouldn't be worth the paper it's printed on anyway as who's going to enforce the punishment? This way, everyone gets a little of what they want from it all.
Guest MattP Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 A bit different to our last foreign secretary
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 23 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Craft beer,with a nice meditating choice of medicament of painkillers,and Insulin... plus reaching the 7 chakra enlightment,and awakening,that shows the shining path ,enabling one To chose the right beer,and to chase and embrace the Spirits of the corn and rhy.. It is always a hard disciplined path to chose...either that or be a pirate..... I reckon your drinking pink paraffin, so try the blue, it's much better.
fuchsntf Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 4 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: I reckon your drinking pink paraffin, so try the blue, it's much better. I'm all for para fan ale...ier, blue label.. 1
Grebfromgrebland Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 2 hours ago, MattP said: A bit different to our last foreign secretary Yes and Japan had just signed a trade deal with the EU which we are leaving. So we will never get as good a deal as we would've if we stayed in the EU. The Japanese are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of the crap deal they can offer us, of course they're calling us friends! What people don't understand is that, yes, we will be able to make our own trade deals and, yes, the super rich and the politicians will be better off but for the 99% of normal citizens, we'll be worse off. 1 1
Webbo Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 2 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Yes and Japan had just signed a trade deal with the EU which we are leaving. So we will never get as good a deal as we would've if we stayed in the EU. The Japanese are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of the crap deal they can offer us, of course they're calling us friends! What people don't understand is that, yes, we will be able to make our own trade deals and, yes, the super rich and the politicians will be better off but for the 99% of normal citizens, we'll be worse off. Why will the super rich be better off from us getting a crap deal from Japan, or the EU for that matter?
Grebfromgrebland Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 9 minutes ago, Webbo said: Why will the super rich be better off from us getting a crap deal from Japan, or the EU for that matter? Generally the deal will be steered to benefit those who negotiate the deals and their friends (think Tory party MPs and their friends and family). Just do some research and see who benefits financially from what, follow the money and you'll see. For example look at Reece Mogg and how Brexit would directly benefit him financially and then tell me whether he has the countries interest at heart or his own. And you can do that with everyone who wants Brexit even Donald Trump who would love Brexit as he would make billions from our NHS and food industry. @Webbo
Strokes Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 We buy twice from Japan as much as we sell to them, having free trade and keeping themselves competitive here, is worth more to them than it is us. Why would they offer us a crap deal?
Guest MattP Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 So our trade negotiators will be sent in to make sure they secure a deal for rich Tories rather than the country? That's one hell of a conspiracy theory - and you think if that happens whilst making everyone poorer the electorate will still return them to government? How does Brexit directly benefit Jacob Rees-Mogg as well financially? If it's going to be as bad as many claim it will lead to a serious lack of investment into business in the country.
Webbo Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 5 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Generally the deal will be steered to benefit those who negotiate the deals and their friends (think Tory party MPs and their friends and family). Just do some research and see who benefits financially from what, follow the money and you'll see. For example look at Reece Mogg and how Brexit would directly benefit him financially and then tell me whether he has the countries interest at heart or his own. And you can do that with everyone who wants Brexit even Donald Trump who would love Brexit as he would make billions from our NHS and food industry. @Webbo Well if the economy is going to suffer how does that benefit rich people? Also why did all the big multi nationals and banks support remain?
Guest MattP Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 20 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Yes and Japan had just signed a trade deal with the EU which we are leaving. So we will never get as good a deal as we would've if we stayed in the EU. The Japanese are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of the crap deal they can offer us, of course they're calling us friends! What people don't understand is that, yes, we will be able to make our own trade deals and, yes, the super rich and the politicians will be better off but for the 99% of normal citizens, we'll be worse off. Then why did most of the super rich and the top 1% in this country overwhelmingly back Remain?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 18 September 2018 Posted 18 September 2018 7 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Generally the deal will be steered to benefit those who negotiate the deals and their friends (think Tory party MPs and their friends and family). Just do some research and see who benefits financially from what, follow the money and you'll see. For example look at Reece Mogg and how Brexit would directly benefit him financially and then tell me whether he has the countries interest at heart or his own. And you can do that with everyone who wants Brexit even Donald Trump who would love Brexit as he would make billions from our NHS and food industry. @Webbo You appear to have converted your opinions into facts. There is no evidence, only pure supposition on your part.
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