leicsmac Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 4 hours ago, davieG said: UKIP should become a "radical, populist party" standing up for free speech against the "politically-correct thought police", says its leader. Its "interim manifesto", unveiled on the eve of its conference, also urges a "clean exit" from the EU. In it, Mr Batten says UKIP will "promote and defend our national and individual freedoms" adding: "We are determined to protect our freedom of speech and the right to speak our minds without fear of the politically correct thought-police knocking on our doors." The manifesto covers a wide range of policy areas, from the NHS and transport to fisheries and small businesses, with policies including: A limited points-based immigration system NHS health cards for British citizens to prevent 'health tourism' & free parking at hospitals An extra £2bn a year for adult social care & £500m a year for mental health Abolition of stamp duty and inheritance tax Introduction of new grammar schools Scrapping the overseas aid budget Scrapping guidelines on 'subjective' hate crimes Scrapping the climate change act, stopping subsidies for wind turbines and solar voltaic arrays and seeking to rejuvenate the UK's coal industry Scrapping the BBC licence fee in favour of voluntary subscription Repealing hate speech guidelines, the Equality Act 2010 & shutting down the Equalities and Human Rights Commission 2 Splendid - good to see exactly where UKIP stand on scientific progress. Still, being like that hasn't done their Republican brothers-in-arms across the pond any harm, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 13 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Not going to be an election, she wouldn't get the numbers for that anyway. I'd imagine a strongly worded speech with an emphasis on preperation for no deal. Hopefully she keeps her cool as well, despite the anger I don't want her resorting to the tactics of Macron and Tusk yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 (edited) One thing that's always wound me up is how much that Bristolian old woman seems to be lauded for bemoaning the fact that she has to consider her views and walk less than 10 minutes on average to put a cross on a bit of paper for the 2nd time in 3 years. Can't stand how ignorance is so glorified in this country at times. Edited 21 September 2018 by ealingfox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 11 minutes ago, ealingfox said: One thing that's always wound me up is how much that Bristolian old woman seems to be lauded for bemoaning the fact that she has to consider her views and walk less than 10 minutes on average to put a cross on a bit of paper for the 2nd time in 3 years. Can't stand how ignorance is so glorified in this country at times. Agree. A huge proportion of the population don't even have to consider their views either, they just turn up and vote tribally for who they always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 What a great metaphor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebartonfox Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 Thought that was a pretty good speech to be fair to her. By far the most prime ministerial she’s been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 May did a rubbish job of impersonating Mrs T there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboFox Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 Did May at one point say: "I've always thought no deal is better than a bad deal, but I've also always said it's important that we have some sort of deal..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 1 minute ago, RoboFox said: Did May at one point say: "I've always thought no deal is better than a bad deal, but I've also always said it's important that we have some sort of deal..." Not quite, more no deal is better than a bad deal, but a good deal is better for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 5 minutes ago, thebartonfox said: Thought that was a pretty good speech to be fair to her. By far the most prime ministerial she’s been. Yes. About bloody time she stood up for her country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 9 minutes ago, thebartonfox said: Thought that was a pretty good speech to be fair to her. By far the most prime ministerial she’s been. Agree, could have done with a bit of this a while ago. Whoever our PM is, whether it's May, Corbyn, Abbott or Cable they deserve treating with respect, Tusk crossed a line yesterday. Macron was stupid but he's got an electorate so I can see why he did it, his approval rating is lower than Trump and Hollande so he can resort to a bit of Britbash to appeal - Donald Tusk has no such excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 Tusk is a Europhile twat who wants to punish us for daring to leave the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: Tusk is a Europhile twat who wants to punish us for daring to leave the EU. That's as maybe, but the reality is we've bitten off well more than we can chew as the little island that we are. Taking on 27 different countries all at once, and the umbrella organisation that represents them, was never going to end up with us being in a position strong enough to be equal to them, never mind to outgun them. That's just common sense and we all knew that going into this, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 In other news of the day. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45588983 Personally find it amusing to see the big company that overcharges for medicine try and make people believe they give a shit and it's not all about the money. If there's medication that does the same thing for a fraction of the price we should be using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 Finally, a bit of fight. Lets hope she is as good as her word, we might go out without a deal but hopefully not out with a whimper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 All this kicking off and not a word from anyone high profile in the Labour party on the TV or the airwaves? Very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Finally, a bit of fight. Lets hope she is as good as her word, we might go out without a deal but hopefully not out with a whimper. Well, at least I'll be able to stride around with a proud, upthrust bosom if society grinds to a halt in six months then. 1 hour ago, MattP said: All this kicking off and not a word from anyone high profile in the Labour party on the TV or the airwaves? Very weird. Yeah, fvcking grim. Just say something, anything, for fvck's sake. If they think people won't hold them culpable as well as the Tories if things do go to shit then they're very, very mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MattP said: All this kicking off and not a word from anyone high profile in the Labour party on the TV or the airwaves? Very weird. "if by magic" Hard to disagree with much of this, I do like he also blames the EU as well rather than just takes a cheap shot. Edited 21 September 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Yeah, fvcking grim. Just say something, anything, for fvck's sake. If they think people won't hold them culpable as well as the Tories if things do go to shit then they're very, very mistaken. Have said something now. It is bizarre though that a week from conference open selections and the Israel-Palestine conflict seem to be bigger concerns than the issue of Brexit. Some Labour members and MP's are still busy convincing themselves though that Corbyn and his team aren't as Eurosceptic and they can change him - why they still do this I cannot understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Well, at least I'll be able to stride around with a proud, upthrust bosom if society grinds to a halt in six months then. I wouldn’t expect it to appeal to yourself but you have to admit her old approach wasn’t exactly yielding results, so maybe, just maybe, they might negotiate now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 24 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: That's as maybe, but the reality is we've bitten off well more than we can chew as the little island that we are. Taking on 27 different countries all at once, and the umbrella organisation that represents them, was never going to end up with us being in a position strong enough to be equal to them, never mind to outgun them. That's just common sense and we all knew that going into this, surely? I don't personally think this is anything to do with being a 'little island' or' taking on' 27 countries. We have all been following this for the last two years and I can understand T Mays frustration to a certain point as obviously she would like a relationship with the EU which would have the least disruption for us and them, and anyone who believes a no deal break from the EU will be easy street for them is living in cloud cuckoo land. I do however respect any EU decision as it was us who voted to leave and rules are rules and if they have boundaries which they are not prepared to deviate from that's fine by me. The country took a vote to leave the EU and that is what we have to do, deal or no deal , so for that reason there cannot be a 'peoples vote' or second referendum otherwise it makes a mockery of our democratic system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 Court to rule on whether UK can halt Brexit 3 hours ago The Court in Luxembourg is said to be ready to hear the case soon Anti-Brexit campaigners have been given permission to take their case to Europe's highest court as they seek a ruling on whether it can be halted. The cross-party group of politicians argue that Article 50 can be revoked if MPs vote to do so. The Court of Session in Edinburgh had previously rejected their bid to have the case referred to European judges. But they have now won an appeal, and the European Court of Justice will be asked to give a definitive ruling. The panel of appeal judges at the Court of Session said the "urgency of the issue" - with the UK due to leave the EU on 29 March - meant its request to the European Court was being done under expedited procedure. The UK government said it was "disappointed" by the decision and was giving it "careful consideration". But a spokesman stressed that the government remained committed to implementing the result of the EU referendum and "will not be revoking Article 50." The legal case has been brought by politicians including Scottish Green MSPs Andy Wightman and Ross Greer, Labour MEPs David Martin and Catherine Stihler and SNP MEP Alyn Smith, who have claimed that Brexit is "not inevitable" and "there is still time to change course". Welcoming the ruling, Mr Greer said: "If negotiations collapse, as appears to be happening, we have to know that a no deal disaster is not the only option on the table." The politicians have been joined by lawyer Jolyon Maugham QC, the director of the Good Law Project, who said the latest ruling was a "bombshell" that could "decide the fate of the nation" and potentially allow the country to "wake up from the nightmare that is this government's Brexit". The petitioners argue that the UK should effectively be allowed to change its mind on Brexit, without needing the permission of the other 27 EU members. If it is successful, the case could strengthen the hand of any attempt by MPs to keep the UK in the EU after the final details of its departure terms are known. This is because it would give parliament the power to unilaterally halt Brexit if it feels the final deal is unacceptable - even if the government wants to leave regardless. Court of Session judge Lord Boyd ruled in June that the case could not go to the European Court in Luxembourg as it was "hypothetical" and did not reflect political reality as it "seems highly unlikely that this government will revoke the notification". Theresa May has insisted she will not change tack despite being told by EU leaders in Salzburg that she faces having no deal unless she alters her Brexit plans The campaigners appealed against that decision, and on Friday the court ruled in their favour. The ruling was delivered by Scotland's most senior judge, Lord Carloway, and his colleagues Lord Menzies and Lord Drummond Young. The appeal judges said matters had "moved on" since Lord Boyd's original ruling, with the European Union (Withdrawal) Act now setting out how parliamentary approval is to be sought once the negotiations between the UK government and the EU conclude. Lord Carloway said it was therefore "clear" that MPs at Westminster would be required to vote on any Brexit deal agreed by the EU and the UK government. 'Clarifying the options' He stated: "It seems neither academic nor premature to ask whether it is legally competent to revoke the notification and thus to remain in the EU. "The matter is uncertain in that it is the subject of a dispute; as this litigation perhaps demonstrates. "The answer will have the effect of clarifying the options open to MPs in the lead up to what is now an inevitable vote." The judge also said the European court would not be advising parliament on "what it must or ought to do". Instead, he said it would be "merely declaring the law as part of its central function", adding that "how parliament chooses to react to that declarator is entirely a matter for that institution". In their draft reference to the European Court, the judges ask: "Where a member state has notified the European Council of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, does EU law permit that notice to be revoked unilaterally by the notifying member state? "And, if so, subject to what conditions and with what effect relative to the member state remaining within the EU?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 47 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: That's as maybe, but the reality is we've bitten off well more than we can chew as the little island that we are. Taking on 27 different countries all at once, and the umbrella organisation that represents them, was never going to end up with us being in a position strong enough to be equal to them, never mind to outgun them. That's just common sense and we all knew that going into this, surely? We will see how happy the EU members are when they have a £37 Billion hole in their budget. There is no way we pay anything like that amount if we don't get a trade deal. They cannot operate with that money, and if the German and French governments try to push through higher contributions to cover it they might well find the EU falls apart. I still think there will be a deal, but if there isn't the UK won't be on the only country with a new leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breadandcheese Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, MattP said: "if by magic" Hard to disagree with much of this, I do like he also blames the EU as well rather than just takes a cheap shot. It's hard to disagree with the statement because there's just nothing there. What do the opposition disagree with? What would they do differently? What is their Brexit vision? Labour has abdicated its position as opposition to the government choosing instead to be a student union. Edited 21 September 2018 by breadandcheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 21 September 2018 Share Posted 21 September 2018 4 minutes ago, breadandcheese said: It's hard to disagree with the statement because there's just nothing there. What do the opposition disagree with? What would they do differently? What is their Brexit vision? Labour has abdicated its position as opposition to the government choosing instead to be a student union. He likes a bit of fence sitting does Jeremy if he thinks it will affect his votes Quote Jeremy Corbyn has said he is not ruling out allowing a second Scottish independence referendum to be held if he becomes prime minister. The Labour leader said he would "decide at the time" what to do if Nicola Sturgeon asked for his consent. But he said his party does not want a referendum, and would be "very clear on why we don't think it's a good idea". Labour gave a "cast iron guarantee" before the last Holyrood election that it would oppose a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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