Sharpe's Fox Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 25 minutes ago, MattP said: Now standing in the street shouting at his kids. https://order-order.com/2018/09/12/police-called-moggs-children-nanny-ambushed-leftist-protest-outside-home/ Lol if he can't handle the heat get away from the fire. The best of our movement.
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Lol if he can't handle the heat get away from the fire. The best of our movement. At least you are honest. (Although I have no problem in protesting against him, I think shouting at his kids though isn't acceptable) Edited 12 September 2018 by MattP
Sharpe's Fox Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: At least you are honest. (Although I have no problem in protesting against him, I think shouting at his kids though isn't acceptable) He should refrain from using his family as part as his image and politics then. That's the problem with these 'Flag, Faith and Family' scutter MPs, they're happy to use their kids politically but they're off limits to everyone else. They're fair game as far as I'm concerned. 1
leicsmac Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45498514 Hmmm...Orban is a religious fundie nationalist who needs to be brought down a peg or two but I can't see this doing anything more than stirring the pot and hardening attitudes TBH. 1
James. Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: He should refrain from using his family as part as his image and politics then. That's the problem with these 'Flag, Faith and Family' scutter MPs, they're happy to use their kids politically but they're off limits to everyone else. They're fair game as far as I'm concerned. Do you have kids yourself?
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: He should refrain from using his family as part as his image and politics then. That's the problem with these 'Flag, Faith and Family' scutter MPs, they're happy to use their kids politically but they're off limits to everyone else. They're fair game as far as I'm concerned. Is that actually serious? Kids are now fair game? Edited 12 September 2018 by MattP
davieG Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45495960 Brexit: Tory MPs say technology key to avoiding hard Irish border 2 hours ago The future management of the Irish border is one of three main priorities in UK-EU Brexit talks A hard border on the island of Ireland can be avoided by using "established" technology and "modifying" existing arrangements, Brexiteer Tory MPs say. The European Research Group said the issue had been allowed to "frame" the talks but need not block a trade deal. They call for "effective co-operation" between Belfast and Dublin to address smuggling concerns and extra customs forms to be included in VAT returns. The EU has insisted on a "backstop" to ensure the single market is protected. Both the UK and the EU want to avoid a return to physical checks at the Northern Ireland border, but have yet to agree how this can be achieved. The BBC's assistant political editor Norman Smith said the ERG's answer to the problem of the Irish border seemed to be that "there isn't really a problem". He said the group was citing the example of the "invisible border" between Norway and Sweden as a precedent for how post-Brexit arrangements might work. Speaking at the launch of the ERG's report in London, former Northern Ireland Secretary Owen Patterson said he and other MPs were trying to "help the European Union and the UK government" by "giving an answer" to a problem which has risked derailing the Brexit process. He insisted there was "absolutely nothing new" in what the group was proposing because the solutions already exist to deliver "an ordered border". He said there was already a tax, VAT, excise and currency border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland which was maintained by "administrative and technical tools". Read the full glossary here This should continue after Brexit, he said, supplemented by a range of mechanisms to ensure customs checks are conducted away from the border, such as trusted trader schemes. "We absolutely believe there is no need for new physical infrastructure at the border and it can be handled by current means," he said. The report acknowledges a range of new checks will be needed on goods passing across the 310 mile border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after Brexit, including extra customs declarations and declarations of origin as well as sanitary, phytosanitary and product compliance procedures. Among the proposals put forward in the document to deal with these are: Extra customs declarations should be incorporated into existing system of VAT returns Simplified customs procedures for the majority of cross-border trade Trusted trader-type schemes for large companies Equivalence of UK and EU regulations for agricultural produce Declaring the island of Ireland a Common Biosecurity Zone The report concluded: "The proposals can be realised within the existing legal and operational frameworks of the UK and EU, based on the mutual trust on which regular trade depends. "They do nothing to alter the constitutional position of Northern Ireland and do not violate the principle of consent of the enshrined in the Belfast Agreement." John Campbell, the BBC's Northern Ireland business and economics editor, said the document offered more detail than before and put forward a number of "plausible technocratic solutions". But he said they placed a lot of store on the EU agreeing to mutual recognition of standards and the UK having access to its VAT system - which was far from clear. The Democratic Unionist Party, whose support Theresa May relies on for her majority in Westminster, said the proposals were "positive and timely" and the issue should not be an impediment to a wider Brexit deal. Speaking before the proposals were published, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said the UK could not "walk away" from its responsibilities to uphold the Good Friday Agreement. "It is not the European Union, it is Brexit that risks making the border more visible in Northern Ireland," he said. And Labour MP Alison McGovern, who backs the People's Vote campaign for a referendum on the final Brexit deal, said any additional border checks would have "no democratic legitimacy". "Their proposals on Northern Ireland are profoundly dangerous to the stability and security of Northern Ireland and the whole of the United Kingdom," she said. "The reality is neither Theresa May nor Jacob Rees-Mogg have any answers to the Irish border question. Tory MPs opposed to Theresa May's Chequers blueprint have denied plotting against her, after it emerged the issue of her future was discussed openly by Tory MPs at a meeting on Tuesday night. "We've got a very good prime minister," former Brexit Secretary David Davis said. "I disagree with her on one issue, it's this issue. She should stay in place because we need stability, and we need decent government as the backdrop for what we're doing in the coming next six months."
Sharpe's Fox Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 2 hours ago, MattP said: Is that actually serious? Kids are now fair game? class based politics so everyone is
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 3 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: class based politics so everyone is The guy who did it has been found, Ian Bone he is called. Didn't take long to find a link from him to JC - Google his name and you find a write up on a wedding he attended, how people get to this point in life I'll honestly never know.
Buce Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 3 minutes ago, MattP said: The guy who did it has been found, Ian Bone he is called. Didn't take long to find a link from him to JC - Google his name and you find a write up on a wedding he attended, how people get to this point in life I'll honestly never know. He attended the same wedding as JC? That’s a desperate link, even for you. 2
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buce said: He attended the same wedding as JC? That’s a desperate link, even for you. Oh you can't blame Corbyn for it, although if he has attended a wedding with that sort of regalia on show he should be ashamed given how many died under it. It is absolutely hilarious though I honesty think now you could find any holocaust denier, anti-semite or far left nutter in Britain and with the help of Google find a connection to the absolute boy or his sidekick. Edited 12 September 2018 by MattP
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 Take it as a bit of fun @Buce - it's not like any of this is going to stop anyone voting for Corbyn who intends to. I've given up trying to convince people now, I just laugh at it instead.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 17 minutes ago, MattP said: Oh you can't blame Corbyn for it, although if he has attended a wedding with that sort of regalia on show he should be ashamed given how many died under it. It is absolutely hilarious though I honesty think now you could find any holocaust denier, anti-semite or far left nutter in Britain and with the help of Google find a connection to the absolute boy or his sidekick. He hates Corbyn though which is a shame cus he’d be an asset to the movement. 2
l444ry Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 5 hours ago, davieG said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45495960 Brexit: Tory MPs say technology key to avoiding hard Irish border 2 hours ago The future management of the Irish border is one of three main priorities in UK-EU Brexit talks A hard border on the island of Ireland can be avoided by using "established" technology and "modifying" existing arrangements, Brexiteer Tory MPs say. The European Research Group said the issue had been allowed to "frame" the talks but need not block a trade deal. They call for "effective co-operation" between Belfast and Dublin to address smuggling concerns and extra customs forms to be included in VAT returns. The EU has insisted on a "backstop" to ensure the single market is protected. Both the UK and the EU want to avoid a return to physical checks at the Northern Ireland border, but have yet to agree how this can be achieved. The BBC's assistant political editor Norman Smith said the ERG's answer to the problem of the Irish border seemed to be that "there isn't really a problem". He said the group was citing the example of the "invisible border" between Norway and Sweden as a precedent for how post-Brexit arrangements might work. Speaking at the launch of the ERG's report in London, former Northern Ireland Secretary Owen Patterson said he and other MPs were trying to "help the European Union and the UK government" by "giving an answer" to a problem which has risked derailing the Brexit process. He insisted there was "absolutely nothing new" in what the group was proposing because the solutions already exist to deliver "an ordered border". He said there was already a tax, VAT, excise and currency border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland which was maintained by "administrative and technical tools". Read the full glossary here This should continue after Brexit, he said, supplemented by a range of mechanisms to ensure customs checks are conducted away from the border, such as trusted trader schemes. "We absolutely believe there is no need for new physical infrastructure at the border and it can be handled by current means," he said. The report acknowledges a range of new checks will be needed on goods passing across the 310 mile border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after Brexit, including extra customs declarations and declarations of origin as well as sanitary, phytosanitary and product compliance procedures. Among the proposals put forward in the document to deal with these are: Extra customs declarations should be incorporated into existing system of VAT returns Simplified customs procedures for the majority of cross-border trade Trusted trader-type schemes for large companies Equivalence of UK and EU regulations for agricultural produce Declaring the island of Ireland a Common Biosecurity Zone The report concluded: "The proposals can be realised within the existing legal and operational frameworks of the UK and EU, based on the mutual trust on which regular trade depends. "They do nothing to alter the constitutional position of Northern Ireland and do not violate the principle of consent of the enshrined in the Belfast Agreement." John Campbell, the BBC's Northern Ireland business and economics editor, said the document offered more detail than before and put forward a number of "plausible technocratic solutions". But he said they placed a lot of store on the EU agreeing to mutual recognition of standards and the UK having access to its VAT system - which was far from clear. The Democratic Unionist Party, whose support Theresa May relies on for her majority in Westminster, said the proposals were "positive and timely" and the issue should not be an impediment to a wider Brexit deal. Speaking before the proposals were published, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said the UK could not "walk away" from its responsibilities to uphold the Good Friday Agreement. "It is not the European Union, it is Brexit that risks making the border more visible in Northern Ireland," he said. And Labour MP Alison McGovern, who backs the People's Vote campaign for a referendum on the final Brexit deal, said any additional border checks would have "no democratic legitimacy". "Their proposals on Northern Ireland are profoundly dangerous to the stability and security of Northern Ireland and the whole of the United Kingdom," she said. "The reality is neither Theresa May nor Jacob Rees-Mogg have any answers to the Irish border question. Tory MPs opposed to Theresa May's Chequers blueprint have denied plotting against her, after it emerged the issue of her future was discussed openly by Tory MPs at a meeting on Tuesday night. "We've got a very good prime minister," former Brexit Secretary David Davis said. "I disagree with her on one issue, it's this issue. She should stay in place because we need stability, and we need decent government as the backdrop for what we're doing in the coming next six months." https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-pulls-apart-brexiteers-plan-for-irish/
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 9 hours ago, MattP said: Now standing in the street shouting at his kids. https://order-order.com/2018/09/12/police-called-moggs-children-nanny-ambushed-leftist-protest-outside-home/ The lefty Andy Cap, doesn't exactly look to be too badly off. He can afford to keep his big beer belly in good condition. Probably so thick he wears his trousers back to front, and shoes on the wrong feet.
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 (edited) DUP backing the ERG point of view on the Northern Irish border. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/09/erg-and-dup-just-created-new-brexit-nightmare-theresa-may That's a huge problem for May now, she might need their support and now there are no Northern Irish MP's in the house that are prepared to back her viewpoint on the border. Those others are the leaders of the DUP, who have helpfully endorsed the ERG’s plan. They have also demanded that there is no regulatory border in the Irish Sea, as well as no customs border. It holes Downing Street’s plans for meeting its red lines on avoiding a hard border, and maintaining the constitutional integrity of the UK, below the waterline. Months after it was thought to have been put to bed, Northern Ireland is back to add to May’s nightmare. Edited 12 September 2018 by MattP
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 Bit surprised that one of those kids didn't pull out a flintlock pistol and shoot him in the eye
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 Full document out tomorrow..... Brexiteers in the ERG have published their eagerly awaited alternative solution to the vexed issue of the Irish border, after the full house of Boris Johnson, David Davis and Steve Baker turned out to the “World Trade Deal“ launch by Economists For Free Trade yesterday. This is starting to look like a coordinated push… Brexiteers are emphasising that this proposal is based on existing EU procedures and precedents and claim that it directly addresses the EU’s concerns over the border, rather than simply reheating old ideas. The proposals include a Common Biosecurity Zone on the island of Ireland with the UK and EU agreeing to maintain equivalence on agricultural regulations to obviate the need for food and animal health (SPS) checks on the border, which account for a major proportion of the physical inspections currently required on non-EU imports. Regulatory compliance on non-agricultural goods would be enforced by pro-active trading standards inspections at the point of sale, assisted by data-sharing and co-operation between authorities on both sides of the border. Larger companies would use existing technologies including trusted trader schemes to declare goods crossing the border, while for small companies, goods declarations would be incorporated into existing systems for VAT returns, which all companies trading across the border already have to complete. Origin declarations would be simplified through the existing Registered Exporter (REX) scheme.
fuchsntf Posted 12 September 2018 Posted 12 September 2018 (edited) The most perverse,incompetent,deranged,questionalably-corrupt , cock-up in the history of British politics,and still people are attempting to have an intellectual debate,and platform of the whole bumbling mess...... 2 years of saying to Europe and to the British public,we want to cancel everything with our EU contract,And but keep every juicy bit and all advantages it gives us,then take back our sovereignty,which our own British politicians,gleefully giving it up and giving it all away Over the generations....then blaming conveniently Mr Johnny Foreigner... I am totally bored.... Edited 12 September 2018 by fuchsntf 1
Popular Post purpleronnie Posted 13 September 2018 Popular Post Posted 13 September 2018 I dislike mogg as much as anyone but to abuse his kids, you can't defend that, it was disgusting. 6
Guest Markyblue Posted 13 September 2018 Posted 13 September 2018 On 12/09/2018 at 12:02, Sharpe's Fox said: He should refrain from using his family as part as his image and politics then. That's the problem with these 'Flag, Faith and Family' scutter MPs, they're happy to use their kids politically but they're off limits to everyone else. They're fair game as far as I'm concerned. I have to apologise, the other day i said you seemed intelligent, my mistake sorry.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 13 September 2018 Posted 13 September 2018 4 hours ago, purpleronnie said: I dislike mogg as much as anyone but to abuse his kids, you can't defend that, it was disgusting. I just find stuff like this weird. Even if you did it because you personally thought it was OK, surely you'd be aware that rather than it furthering your objectives, it's just going to create an outcry, folk will think you're a knob and any message you were trying to communicate is lost in the ether
Guest MattP Posted 13 September 2018 Posted 13 September 2018 8 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Even if you did it because you personally thought it was OK, surely you'd be aware that rather than it furthering your objectives, it's just going to create an outcry, folk will think you're a knob and any message you were trying to communicate is lost in the ether If you are a grown adult who thinks bullying children is acceptable, you are probably mentally incapable of judging anything else you have mention there with any logic or reason.
what? Posted 13 September 2018 Posted 13 September 2018 (edited) The way human beings process empathy is weird. When we see kids getting shouted at we instinctively know it's wrong (and to be clear it is, I'm not in any way condoning it) but take one abstract step back and consider the negative effects on the children of, say, those 40 thousand people working for Jaguar Land Rover who face losing their jobs? Nah too big to think about. Or how about Mogg's nothing to fear from a no deal report out the other day singing the praises of the removal of currently existing non tariff barriers... like the safety standards on kids toys that we all take for granted for example. Edited 13 September 2018 by what? 1 1
Innovindil Posted 13 September 2018 Posted 13 September 2018 9 minutes ago, what? said: The way human beings process empathy is weird. When we see kids getting shouted at we instinctively know it's wrong (and to be clear it is, I'm not in any way condoning it) but take one abstract step back and consider the negative effects on the children of, say, those 40 thousand people working for Jaguar Land Rover who face losing their jobs? Nah too big to think about. Or how about Mogg's nothing to fear from a no deal report out the other day singing the praises of the removal of currently existing non tariff barriers... like the safety standards on kids toys that we all take for granted for example. Probably the most extreme case of whataboutism we've had on here tbh.
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