BenTheFox Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 Interested to hear some thoughts on this one. I know that Red Bull own a few football clubs, but this one is probably the most controversial due to the German ownership model and their rapid rise through the league system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboFox Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 Good on them, I say. I think it's always good to see a club challenging the established order. They're perceived as a threat to all things good about German football because of the obvious commercialism they represent. So what if they're owned by Red Bull? Leverkusen are owned by Bayer AG, Wolfsburg by the Volkswagen group. There's some horrendous hypocrisy there and it's disgraceful to see their fans being attacked (looking at you, Dortmund) just because they're fans of Leipzig. They spent some €30million on setting up their own state-of-the-art academy, which they have set about stuffing with the best young talent in Germany, now the players are coming through. They have their priorities right. All of the old huge East German clubs died on their arses after the country reunified, it's good to see a club from that side of the country at the top again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 I know hipsters jump on the anti-RB bandwagon but the club has gone about it in completely the right way. They've bought youth and transformed them into proper talent. There isn't a member of their side that was a better player before joining them. If other clubs don't like it then perhaps they should look at investing in youth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 10 July 2017 Author Share Posted 10 July 2017 The fact that they have serious investment isn't the thing that bothers me about them. It's that all the Red Bull clubs look the same and don't have their individual identities based on their location. Add to that, the club exists for no other reason than to promote an energy drink that tastes like filth. However I do see some real hypocrisy in other areas where they are criticised. It's hard to accept fans of certain clubs scrutinising the capitalist nature of it, seeing as clubs in the East have struggled to compete financially since the clubs all started competing in the same league system again after the country reunified. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if it wasn't so transparent. For instance, if Red Bull just took over SSV Markanstädt, didn't change the name/colours and were essentially just a sponsor/49% shareholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 Fcuk MK Dons and fcuk these Red Bull pr cks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 7 hours ago, RoboFox said: Good on them, I say. I think it's always good to see a club challenging the established order. They're perceived as a threat to all things good about German football because of the obvious commercialism they represent. So what if they're owned by Red Bull? Leverkusen are owned by Bayer AG, Wolfsburg by the Volkswagen group. There's some horrendous hypocrisy there and it's disgraceful to see their fans being attacked (looking at you, Dortmund) just because they're fans of Leipzig. They spent some €30million on setting up their own state-of-the-art academy, which they have set about stuffing with the best young talent in Germany, now the players are coming through. They have their priorities right. All of the old huge East German clubs died on their arses after the country reunified, it's good to see a club from that side of the country at the top again. There is hypocrisy in some of the arguments against RBL. However, they bought a fifth division club and completely rebranded them. There were two fairly well established Leipzig clubs where the money could have been invested and through a proud history kept the name/colours etc. They did a MK Dons - renamed the club, changed the colours and moved them from the small town on the outskirts of Leipzig. BenTheFox nails it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 2 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Fcuk MK Dons and fcuk these Red Bull pr cks Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 Not the way I'd like to see it done but I don't see at the minute how else it can be. Someone is going to have to step up and challenge Bayern in some way. It's becoming pointless and something needs to stop that being so as it's historically a great league. I met some of our ex clients last week who are all Schalke fans and they are totally falling out of love with the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 3 hours ago, Voll Blau said: Word. Which word ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystonFox Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 I used to like red bull. Now I prefer monster. Sugar free obvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 10 July 2017 Author Share Posted 10 July 2017 I want to know why Red Bull are so rich. It tastes absolutely horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 27 minutes ago, SystonFox said: I used to like red bull. Now I prefer monster. Sugar free obvs The new Lewis Hamilton 1 is delicious. Tastes a bit like grape soda, definitely going to give me the tastiest cardiac arrest possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystonFox Posted 10 July 2017 Share Posted 10 July 2017 1 minute ago, Samilktray said: The new Lewis Hamilton 1 is delicious. Tastes a bit like grape soda, definitely going to give me the tastiest cardiac arrest possible I'm a fan of th white sugar free one and the yellow sugar free. the full fat green is the one but will defo kill you. Not had the Lewis one tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollism Posted 16 July 2017 Share Posted 16 July 2017 There's a bubblegum flavour of Rockstar that's delicious. No sugar free version though so I usually have one every week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 16 July 2017 Share Posted 16 July 2017 On 10/07/2017 at 20:29, BenTheFox said: I want to know why Red Bull are so rich. It tastes absolutely horrendous. They've built a brand outside of the drink. Figures i found suggested the turnover in 2015 was £500 billion, for a profit of £500 million, so possibly the drink itself is a secondary consideration for the men behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 16 July 2017 Share Posted 16 July 2017 On 10/07/2017 at 20:40, Samilktray said: The new Lewis Hamilton 1 is delicious. Tastes a bit like grape soda, definitely going to give me the tastiest cardiac arrest possible I thought this was a joke... does it really taste of sour grapes ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 20 July 2017 Share Posted 20 July 2017 Love red bull it makes my poo smell like iron bru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 20:54, GaelicFox said: Love red bull it makes my poo smell like iron bru You have some weird pastimes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 July 2017 Share Posted 21 July 2017 1 hour ago, fuchsntf said: You have some weird pastimes... Normal for West Clare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 22 July 2017 Share Posted 22 July 2017 Ultimately, money is what keeps the big clubs rich and the smaller clubs poor. A few anomalies aside (us included, incredibly), it takes monumental investment to get a side from outside the established order challenging for major honours. I don't mind that side of things- it's good to have Man City and Chelsea winning leagues rather than just United or Arsenal every year. However, as others have said, it's the rebranding, loss of identity and shameless commercialism of their set ups which I can't get on board with. I've wondered before how their fans must feel about it- the club they grew up with has gone, essentially. They've been given a quality side who are better than their old club could ever dream of, but surely there's a part of them that misses the club that they fell in love with as a kid. Then again, I suppose City are almost unrecognisable from the club I fell in love with in the mid-nineties. We've still got some of our heritage intertwined with the modern club we have become though; name, badge, colours (despite the yellow being changed to gold), location, post horn gallop, etc. I wouldn't trade that for more success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted 23 July 2017 Share Posted 23 July 2017 On 7/22/2017 at 04:24, Ted Maul said: Ultimately, money is what keeps the big clubs rich and the smaller clubs poor. A few anomalies aside (us included, incredibly), it takes monumental investment to get a side from outside the established order challenging for major honours. I don't mind that side of things- it's good to have Man City and Chelsea winning leagues rather than just United or Arsenal every year. However, as others have said, it's the rebranding, loss of identity and shameless commercialism of their set ups which I can't get on board with. I've wondered before how their fans must feel about it- the club they grew up with has gone, essentially. They've been given a quality side who are better than their old club could ever dream of, but surely there's a part of them that misses the club that they fell in love with as a kid. Then again, I suppose City are almost unrecognisable from the club I fell in love with in the mid-nineties. We've still got some of our heritage intertwined with the modern club we have become though; name, badge, colours (despite the yellow being changed to gold), location, post horn gallop, etc. I wouldn't trade that for more success. This doesn't seem to be the case here, as Red Bull bought the license for a semi-pro fifth division side (who are still kicking about in the Oberliga, if I'm not mistaken). Football in the East and especially Leipzig has been dire, and RB Leipzig's attendance seems to show that fans there were looking for someone, something, anything to rescue football there. This was a much bigger deal at Salzburg, where diehard "Violet-Whites" follow an Austria Salzburg rebel club. It was also an issue at a lower (or perhaps harder-to-measure) extent when RB bought the MetroStars in MLS and rebranded them. In both cases, the original controversies between the teams' fans themselves and between the fans and ownership have cooled off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 24 July 2017 Share Posted 24 July 2017 Big fan of Austria Salzburg. Their Ultras group's logo is Mozart with a scarf over his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 24 July 2017 Share Posted 24 July 2017 6 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Big fan of Austria Salzburg. Their Ultras group's logo is Mozart with a scarf over his mouth. Shame the club has struggled in the past couple of seasons. They couldn't sustain pro football when they got to the second tier. A case of all too early I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 24 July 2017 Share Posted 24 July 2017 18 hours ago, Jordan said: This doesn't seem to be the case here, as Red Bull bought the license for a semi-pro fifth division side (who are still kicking about in the Oberliga, if I'm not mistaken). Football in the East and especially Leipzig has been dire, and RB Leipzig's attendance seems to show that fans there were looking for someone, something, anything to rescue football there. Respectively the fifth division club are back where they were and appear entirely comfortable with it. Red Bull originally tried to buy Chemie/Sachsen. Leipzig and the East as a whole is an interesting point. I feel Red Bull provided Leipzig with a non-political, 'clean' football club to get behind. The two other clubs of Leipzig are Lokomotiv and Chemie. Both have links to the past - Lokomotiv the railways for example - they have clear political factions which are extreme. They played last year in Saxony Cup and it was one of the biggest police operations ever for a domestic football game in Germany. Typically they both play each other this season in the league. In fact that division of Regionalliga is full of politically driven occasions. Babeslberg, Berliner AK (Turkish based side), Dynamo Berlin, Energie Cottbus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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