Arsenal post match 4-3

[HighPeakFox]

We can't all be as right as you always are @Kitchandro

[Arriba Los Zorros]

1 hour ago, seenitall said:

I can give you happy clappy if it floats your boat - not sure I'm a moron but if constantly reading drivel about how good we are when we aren't gets you high, you may be - besides you don't have to read it - why don't you find a forum where everyone agrees with you all the time?

It's not that, it's the fact that you only ever contribute to moan and complain. Nowhere to be seen during our title winning season when there was nothing to complain about I think you get off on it

[seenitall]

3 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

It's not that, it's the fact that you only ever contribute to moan and complain. Nowhere to be seen during our title winning season when there was nothing to complain about I think you get off on it

But that wasn't moaning or complaining - read it again (or don't) I'd say you were more likely jumping on my case in search of a few easy thumbs up - much of the crap posted on here is unreadable these days with only a handful of posters prepared to actually discuss the club and what they think, most are looking for cheap laughs. When it's going good I'm happy, when it's going OK I have an opinion and when it's going tits up I want to shout about it - I am not 10% as negative as most on a match day thread and you get slaughtered on there for suggesting someone is playing well, especially if they are in the 'hated' section but I'm not a moron, won't post 'I love this club' bollocks every day and reserve the right to proffer an opinion - terrible subs showed naivety and cost us 3 points - the clock is ticking and I haven't forgiven him for Spurs at home yet either.

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

Shay Given on Goals on Sunday saying Shakey should have shut up shop instead of bringing on Iheanacho.

 

I guess Foxes Talk will fervently disagree

We havent got the players, to shut up shop, nor has it seems to carry out Team instructions when subs are introduced.

Given is a given, like other pundits, stating the obvious, but not understanding individual Teams, simple...can'ts + cans.

 

Morgan was again found wanting, when winnig  air battles are the Need of the moment, his jump off points and postion

Have been Very poor Since last  season, 1sts mistakes may of been made from other areas, and refs descisions, but he was

Negativily involved in all 4 goals, where CB + captain should command "their own'  and defence team areas.

He doesnt...and I would hate to see him bow out, with heavy Load of negative games., and a reputation as a liability.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

Shay Given on Goals on Sunday saying Shakey should have shut up shop instead of bringing on Iheanacho.

 

I guess Foxes Talk will fervently disagree

Not here you wont

 

tbh, we either stick with an 4-4-1-1 or go 4-5-1

 

to go to 4-5-1 (I thought was right at the time given their changes and the way the game was going) and then revert back to 4-4-1-1 with kelechi who isn't known for his chasing back and tackling is where the manager went wrong. 

 

Had I not been watching a poor stream in a French hotel on iPad and listening to radio commentary on my phone I would have posted on the match thread 'this is either inspired or dumb and I'll go for the latter' at the point of the James substitution.  My sleeping kids ten feet away stopped me shouting at the screen.

[Countryfox]

 

Two of our best 'defenders' are JV and Shinji ...   If Shinji does get gassed after 60/70 minutes we could do with a proper plan B that doesn't involve overloading the midfield, which changes our shape.   Slim is the man for me ...    Runs his balls off.   And when we have our backs to the wall, Mahrez, if he is ponsing about, should be the first to come off and possibly Chilwell to add some bite.    Know this may seem slightly simplistic but we ought to have a few set plans that everyone knows and can be put quickly into place.

[TheSomersetFox]

1 hour ago, seenitall said:

But that wasn't moaning or complaining - read it again (or don't) I'd say you were more likely jumping on my case in search of a few easy thumbs up - much of the crap posted on here is unreadable these days with only a handful of posters prepared to actually discuss the club and what they think, most are looking for cheap laughs. When it's going good I'm happy, when it's going OK I have an opinion and when it's going tits up I want to shout about it - I am not 10% as negative as most on a match day thread and you get slaughtered on there for suggesting someone is playing well, especially if they are in the 'hated' section but I'm not a moron, won't post 'I love this club' bollocks every day and reserve the right to proffer an opinion - terrible subs showed naivety and cost us 3 points - the clock is ticking and I haven't forgiven him for Spurs at home yet either.

Where was this critical analysis when we were fvcking abysmal under Ranieri? I only remember you crying about us sacking the bloke

[justfoxes]

Met a really good bunch of Leicester fans down Weymouth Friday night watching the game with a few Arsenhole fans dotted around pity we didn't get the result we needed tho !!?

[inckley fox]

18 hours ago, Col city fan said:

As is this type of repost, to be honest.  We were 3-2 up, looking pretty ok. We made changes. We lost.

Its not complicated.

Sides lose games because of multiple factors, not simply 'subs were crap' or 'Amartey's crap', so yes, it's a lot more complicated than you seem to think it is. 

 

This thread's been full of people offering multiple reasons why we lost - Mahrez, Morgan, set piece defending, the timing of the subs as well as the personnel, the way instructions were relayed during the game, even the 'rub of the green' etc. etc. I agree with some, others less so.

 

You only need the minimal level of understanding of the game to see that Amartey's presence wasn't a defining factor. None of the subs were. If that same ball into the box had been defended like that by Fuchs / Morgan with King, Drinkwater, Chilwell or even Cattermole on the pitch, it would still have been a goal.

 

I'm annoyed, you're annoyed, and neither of us think Amartey is a world-beater. But we add nothing to the discussion by trying to make out that a complex decision-making process is childishly simple, or that peripheral factors like Amartey being on the pitch are critical, when they evidently aren't.

[purpleronnie]

13 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Sides lose games because of multiple factors, not simply 'subs were crap' or 'Amartey's crap', so yes, it's a lot more complicated than you seem to think it is. 

 

This thread's been full of people offering multiple reasons why we lost - Mahrez, Morgan, set piece defending, the timing of the subs as well as the personnel, the way instructions were relayed during the game, even the 'rub of the green' etc. etc. I agree with some, others less so.

 

You only need the minimal level of understanding of the game to see that Amartey's presence wasn't a defining factor. None of the subs were. If that same ball into the box had been defended like that by Fuchs / Morgan with King, Drinkwater, Chilwell or even Cattermole on the pitch, it would still have been a goal.

 

I'm annoyed, you're annoyed, and neither of us think Amartey is a world-beater. But we add nothing to the discussion by trying to make out that a complex decision-making process is childishly simple, or that peripheral factors like Amartey being on the pitch are critical, when they evidently aren't.

True, if he hadn't made substitutions and we lost 4-3 everyone would be blaming the boss for not making any.  Like you say there's various factors why we lost not just one.

[Guest Col city fan]

14 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Sides lose games because of multiple factors, not simply 'subs were crap' or 'Amartey's crap', so yes, it's a lot more complicated than you seem to think it is. 

 

This thread's been full of people offering multiple reasons why we lost - Mahrez, Morgan, set piece defending, the timing of the subs as well as the personnel, the way instructions were relayed during the game, even the 'rub of the green' etc. etc. I agree with some, others less so.

 

You only need the minimal level of understanding of the game to see that Amartey's presence wasn't a defining factor. None of the subs were. If that same ball into the box had been defended like that by Fuchs / Morgan with King, Drinkwater, Chilwell or even Cattermole on the pitch, it would still have been a goal.

 

I'm annoyed, you're annoyed, and neither of us think Amartey is a world-beater. But we add nothing to the discussion by trying to make out that a complex decision-making process is childishly simple, or that peripheral factors like Amartey being on the pitch are critical, when they evidently aren't.

I just hope we don't have to field a CM pairing of Amartey and Mendy against Man Utd. It'd be goals over 9.5

 

[seenitall]

5 hours ago, Goober said:

Where was this critical analysis when we were fvcking abysmal under Ranieri? I only remember you crying about us sacking the bloke

Like many I hoped he could turn it around - I mean why think he could when he won the most unlikely championship in history - Shakey however served under the shit years under Pearson and the shit half a season under Claudio without making a shred of difference - let's see what happens eh - I'm out until game 9

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, seenitall said:

Like many I hoped he could turn it around - I mean why think he could when he won the most unlikely championship in history - Shakey however served under the shit years under Pearson and the shit half a season under Claudio without making a shred of difference - let's see what happens eh - I'm out until game 9

I think the issue is that you discuss in an absolute way - you aren't interested in discussing opinions, it would appear - it seems you have such certainty in your own views that you effectively dismiss any other in doing so.

[seenitall]

5 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think the issue is that you discuss in an absolute way - you aren't interested in discussing opinions, it would appear - it seems you have such certainty in your own views that you effectively dismiss any other in doing so.

Of course I must be the only opinionated person on here - sorry for that, but it's nice to be unique in such a sea of tolerance and respect 

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, seenitall said:

Of course I must be the only opinionated person on here - sorry for that, but it's nice to be unique in such a sea of tolerance and respect 

I never said you were the only one - but you are currently the subject of criticism, so I was (respectfully) adding my perspective.

[seenitall]

5 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I never said you were the only one - but you are currently the subject of criticism, so I was (respectfully) adding my perspective.

Dive in fella - I'm used to it - the point is Shakey has a lot to prove and a short window to do it - it's a shame because the pressing and energy were league wining stuff but the subs were woeful and the points lost - he will be judged on such things. I'll still be here though after he's gone

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, seenitall said:

Dive in fella - I'm used to it - the point is Shakey has a lot to prove and a short window to do it - it's a shame because the pressing and energy were league wining stuff but the subs were woeful and the points lost - he will be judged on such things. I'll still be here though after he's gone

Yes, not an unfair set of views. The subs were curious, I'm not sure they were 100% the reason we lost though...

[Arriba Los Zorros]

7 hours ago, seenitall said:

But that wasn't moaning or complaining - read it again (or don't) I'd say you were more likely jumping on my case in search of a few easy thumbs up - much of the crap posted on here is unreadable these days with only a handful of posters prepared to actually discuss the club and what they think, most are looking for cheap laughs. When it's going good I'm happy, when it's going OK I have an opinion and when it's going tits up I want to shout about it - I am not 10% as negative as most on a match day thread and you get slaughtered on there for suggesting someone is playing well, especially if they are in the 'hated' section but I'm not a moron, won't post 'I love this club' bollocks every day and reserve the right to proffer an opinion - terrible subs showed naivety and cost us 3 points - the clock is ticking and I haven't forgiven him for Spurs at home yet either.

naaaa, I would accept your point as fair if you ever gave a balanced view but everything I've ever read from you is critical and negative. some people post for likes sure but you post to moan. On the subject of CS have you forgiven him from saving us from relegation?

[shade]

seenitall always has been an opposition fan and always will be!

[djskydiver]

Has anyone got a clip where Schmeichel came up to the halfway line in the last 20 mins, where Arsenal played the ball straight back in from a throw-in?

[seenitall]

On 13/08/2017 at 22:28, shade said:

seenitall always has been an opposition fan and always will be!

Opposition to mediocre football and expectations and poor decisions dear boy - wanting the best got us the best, when many on here were happy with the Championship. I'm always going to voice an opinion when the team is let down by poor management and so should you or really or you become the opposition - stand up for the club, not a coach, 2 wins in 9 is not league winning form now is it..................?

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, seenitall said:

Opposition to mediocre football and expectations and poor decisions dear boy - wanting the best got us the best, when many on here were happy with the Championship. I'm always going to voice an opinion when the team is let down by poor management and so should you or really or you become the opposition - stand up for the club, not a coach, 2 wins in 9 is not league winning form now is it..................?

Your name says different, but you did not see this....

[Thracian]

On 13/08/2017 at 14:00, fuchsntf said:

We havent got the players, to shut up shop, nor has it seems to carry out Team instructions when subs are introduced.

Given is a given, like other pundits, stating the obvious, but not understanding individual Teams, simple...can'ts + cans.

 

Morgan was again found wanting, when winnig  air battles are the Need of the moment, his jump off points and postion

Have been Very poor Since last  season, 1sts mistakes may of been made from other areas, and refs descisions, but he was

Negativily involved in all 4 goals, where CB + captain should command "their own'  and defence team areas.

He doesnt...and I would hate to see him bow out, with heavy Load of negative games., and a reputation as a liability.

 

Morgan wasn't the root of all evil. There were so many contributory factors to our conceding four goals they could fill a book. 

 

Your point about team instructions is a good but the real problem of "shutting up shop" actually concerns our unwillingness to go three at the back, five in midfield and to have outlets when we try to relieve the pressure.

 

Arsenal's all action finale was predictable. But it also offered a weakness in the numbers committed to all-out attack.

 

We helped them by retreating willingly and ending any threat on the counter which e needed to retain to help limit the number of Arsenal players free to go forward.  

 

Our central midfield had no chance of stopping the tide on their own because there was never enough of them with Shinji going off. We need three in central midfield and it's been apparent for ages.

 

Our need was to limit  Arsenal's progress through central midfield or via their wide midfielders and we failed miserably.

 

Arsenal posed considerable aerial and ground threat up front, especially with the arrival of Giroud, so the smart move was to cut the supply. 

 

But we had three fading experts at doing that (Shinji, Albrighton and James) yet failed to introduce others like King and perhaps Chilwell who were provenly reliable in retaining possession while persisting with Mahrez (a poor tactical retainer of possession)  and, finally, Gray who's little better in that way.

 

It made a difficult challenge harder.

 

We've failed to sit back and prevent chances being created against us so many times I weep at us never seeming to learn. Burnley away last season was a classic example. Arsenal away last season was another. 

 

 

 

 

   

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[Thracian]

On 13/08/2017 at 12:25, Kitchandro said:

Shay Given on Goals on Sunday saying Shakey should have shut up shop instead of bringing on Iheanacho.

 

I guess Foxes Talk will fervently disagree

Is Given a coach? What did he suggest in terms of detail?  

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Thracian said:

 

Morgan wasn't the root of all evil. There were so many contributory factors to our conceding four goals they could fill a book. 

 

Your point about team instructions is a good but the real problem of "shutting up shop" actually concerns our unwillingness to go three at the back, five in midfield and to have outlets when we try to relieve the pressure.

 

Arsenal's all action finale was predictable. But it also offered a weakness in the numbers committed to all-out attack.

 

We helped them by retreating willingly and ending any threat on the counter which e needed to retain to help limit the number of Arsenal players free to go forward.  

 

Our central midfield had no chance of stopping the tide on their own because there was never enough of them with Shinji going off. We need three in central midfield and it's been apparent for ages.

 

Our need was to limit  Arsenal's progress through central midfield or via their wide midfielders and we failed miserably.

 

Arsenal posed considerable aerial and ground threat up front, especially with the arrival of Giroud, so the smart move was to cut the supply. 

 

But we had three fading experts at doing that (Shinji, Albrighton and James) yet failed to introduce others like King and perhaps Chilwell who were provenly reliable in retaining possession while persisting with Mahrez (a poor tactical retainer of possession)  and, finally, Gray who's little better in that way.

 

It made a difficult challenge harder.

 

We've failed to sit back and prevent chances being created against us so many times I weep at us never seeming to learn. Burnley away last season was a classic example. Arsenal away last season was another. 

 

 

 

 

   

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Wouldnt disgree with that.

I picked up on Morgan, because others were finding it easy to find Other c scapegoat areas even players. Morgan is or should be the leader of the backline, the Last part of play went through him, imo hes lG etting the easy action, and basic clearances Wrong. His timing in jumping his really way off.Arsenal even with their so called weak defence still won the easy duels, importantly in the air.

 

And deffo yes, we should have 3 Real midfielders, and not count the wingbacks As good enough defenders.