Arsenal post match 4-3

[KingsX]

17 hours ago, frany104 said:

Why can't we sign somebody who can head a ball from an opposition corner?

 

[Spudulike]

Sorry, haven't read the whole thread but why wasn't Jakupovic on the bench last night ??

[David Hankey]

Mahrez for Giroud without a doubt.

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I would be excited to see him in a three and I think it would suit our players - Spurs or atleti couldn't cope with our intensity three-five-two. We should try it again 

I'm with you that three at the back with an extra man in midfield does work for us. We don't change our style, simply evolve into one which is far more robust without Kante. It also allows us to play both Kelechi and Vardy as strikers. 

 

I just dont see where Riyad fits into it. While he is here and with his ability to unlock defences, we need to find a way to make him more influential on a game. 

[ajthefox]

Overall I think there are a lot of positives but that was a galling way to lose. How many more times can this happen against the same bunch of shitty, moany and weak Arsenal players? Incredibly frustrating, especially with their fanbase being such a load of entitled vaginas.

 

We can't lay the blame totally on Shakespeare because he didn't forget what marking is but I have great difficulty listening to anyone who thinks those subs didn't have a huge impact on the game.

 

We were ok until Shinji came off and from that second onwards we just invited Arsenal onto us, it was just asking for trouble. We were ok for 10 so I can understand why it might not seem so bad but for me you've got to be more positive in that situation. Bringing off James and bringing on Nacho at that point was even worse. I don't know if Shakespeare realised that bringing Amartey on was the wrong move and was trying to relieve some pressure but at that point it was completely the wrong thing to do because we had no momentum. It wasn't good for the team and it was a shit situation for your best new signing to start in. What a let down it was for him to come into that.

 

If we brought Kelechi on for Shinji and then maybe dropped to 5 in midfield later in the game I think we could've won that, but as soon as Shinji came off I started to worry.

[WigstonWanderer]

Most here seem to agree that Shakey's substitutions cost us the match, but opinion appears to be divided over whether it was the move from 442 to 451 or the second change back to 442.

 

I'm confused, which is it?

[yorkie1999]

57 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Personally, I blame Iborra for being unavailable.

Could be what we needed

[biggs]

Switching to 4-5-1 with Amartey for Okazaki threw us into retreat. He did not tighten anything up in the middle...don't know what the heck some of you see or want to see but Amartey coming on created nothing positive and gave Arsenal a free run at us for 20 minutes. 

It was inevitable we would concede. 

 

[brucey]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

Sorry, haven't read the whole thread but why wasn't Jakupovic on the bench last night ??

Shakey said it was his choice to pick Hamer, no injuries, didn't elaborate.

[st albans fox]

40 minutes ago, brucey said:

Shakey said it was his choice to pick Hamer, no injuries, didn't elaborate.

I think we are trying to move hamer on

 

maybe being involved in the first team makes him more saleable ??

[ZeGuy]

16 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

You are right, but I still don't know WHY.

And therefore I fear, that it could happen again.

So you back, huh? And still didn't get over Ranieri's sacking?

[brucey]

Just now, st albans fox said:

I think we are trying to move hamer on

 

maybe being involved in the first team makes him more saleable ??

I don't think we'd get any significant amount for Hamer, his contribution to the squad's team spirit is worth more than anything we could get for him

[fuchsntf]

6 hours ago, Callabinho said:

When Arsenal fans around you are telling you, you ****ed it and should have beaten them speaks for itself....we should have...you can't take the lead twice and then lose.....especially against a weakened Arsenal side. We ****ed it, simple as.

So You get upset and easily brainwashed when Arsenal fans come knocking....

Another thing...where the fk c do you get the idea that Arsenal had a weakened team..Their top 16 players,

are good enough for any PL 1st team....Though we had a decent team out, wecare the ones that were at a disadvantage,

We could argue not our best team..major buys injured..!!

Arsensl at home, first game...can tear you apart, they didnt but one seen they had goals in them..then they bring on

Ramsey and Giroud......

Historically, traditionally I hate Arsenal, but I dont get blurred vision, nor quote silly generalisations.

Arsenal have far better technical players than us, and probably next to Bayern, Barcelona, play close knit football

around the box, and can pull 2-3 goals back Quite easily, when they Conistently knock around the oppos penalty area.

Even with the good performance, our middle defence has not the quality Nor technique to keep a pecking Arsenal at Bay.

Draw the line 10-12 meters before the box, then maybe..!! and only maybe.

Result hurt, so close but so far away...I see no point in 1st game tears, or Tirade.

Top game, to watch, more enjoyable than expected. Game plan Nearly  worked, without Iberro, we had no

Sub who could hold the line...

[Countryfox]

 

The pain of losing and my mates drinking all my beer, port and sloe gin is starting to wear off (possibly helped by Direby getting beat and Chelski (Kante) losing too ! ) ...     But d'you know what ...    We didn't get stuffed and damn near had em ... Good start for me and will hopefully only get better.   Grow them balls a bit Shakey and European football might just come back ...     

[ZeGuy]

19 hours ago, majaco said:

Mike Dean - central protagonist 

Wasn't him who scored Arsenal's goals though.

[Clever Fox]

It's probably hard to blame anyone other than officials really.

Amartey was brought in to shore up the defense. While Nacho was brought on to help push them back and stretch the defense. James although he's fit, He probably is not match fit just yet. Which is why he was taken off.

They scored before the Subs could get into the game, Albeit by the Hand Ball. Then there was no way back.

 

Our problems are the same as previous seasons, No Balance and no players who can put his foot on the ball and make a pass. Too many of our players are happy to kick it anywhere when under pressure.

We have a habit of retreating when we take the lead. Thereby inviting pressure. Always a big mistake against a team like Arsenal with the quality they possess. Then it becomes only a matter of time before they score.

We need to stop teams further up the pitch until we get more balance into the team.

[ZeGuy]

20 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Aye. 

We conceded two goals and lost the game in about 15 mins. 

As i said, made a pile.

The blind aversion you have for the bloke is kinda sad.

[Guest Col city fan]

3 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

The blind aversion you have for the bloke is kinda sad.

Of course it's not sad! It's a money spinner!

The number of times I've gone on goals over (usually 2.5) when we have played a midfield not containing Drinkwater is one of my major betting lines.

We start a midfield 2 of King and Amartey and make sure you get on it!

 

[Clever Fox]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Of course it's not sad! It's a money spinner!

The number of times I've gone on goals over (usually 2.5) when we have played a midfield not containing Drinkwater is one of my major betting lines.

We start a midfield 2 of King and Amartey and make sure you get on it!

 

I thought you said you're hopeless at betting Col. You seem to be doing ok now. What's changed?

Well done bye the way.

[st albans fox]

In previous seasons we forced teams wide to cross balls in rather than play through us and we were happy to head clear. You could argue our tactics worked well final twenty in that Arsenal were generally restricted to crossing balls in which isn't their usual tactic. Problem was we didn't have a commanding centre half dealing with them! Defending the edge of our 18 yard box became second nature for us in our PL winning campaign. Suring  up the middle of midfield with an extra body made sense to me but lacking concentration when crosses came in was inexcusable.  I don't think Arsenal would have changed their gung ho approach to chasing the equaliser and win if we had stayed two up top so I still think amartey coming on was the right move.  I still can't work out why he then took that naturally defensively minded body out of midfield when James went off 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Most here seem to agree that Shakey's substitutions cost us the match, but opinion appears to be divided over whether it was the move from 442 to 451 or the second change back to 442.

 

I'm confused, which is it?

I thought it was the 451 that f***ed us no?

[WigstonWanderer]

20 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I thought it was the 451 that f***ed us no?

My point is that there appears to be 2 quite contradictory attacks on the substitutions. The first for being too defensive and the second for being too attacking. Surely both can't be right?

 

Personally, (with the obvious benefit of hindsight) I think he should have taken Mahrez off for Chilwell, putting him on the left and bringing Albrighton over to the right. AFTER that if James was tiring, swap for Amartey or King. Also perhaps Okazaki for Nacho, or perhaps Slimani with Chilwell and Albrighton able to put in crosses.

[st albans fox]

Incidentally, I don't think enough has been made of our inability to see our first half injury time. Going in 2-1 down would have been a hugely different scenario for wenger to deal with in the changing room.

 

 

[sm1]

Shakey explained post match he brought on Amartey to sit infront of defence with James, with Ndidi playing more advanced. But later felt we had no outlet and James was tiring therefore decided to take him off and bring on Nacho, to give us a dual outlet. Obviously it never worked.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

My point is that there appears to be 2 quite contradictory attacks on the substitutions. The first for being too defensive and the second for being too attacking. Surely both can't be right?

 

Personally, (with the obvious benefit of hindsight) I think he should have taken Mahrez off for Chilwell, putting him on the left and bringing Albrighton over to the right. AFTER that if James was tiring, swap for Amartey or King. Also perhaps Okazaki for Nacho, or perhaps Slimani with Chilwell and Albrighton able to put in crosses.

Any of them would have been fine, yeah. Chilwell for Mahrez would have been an acceptable tweak: defensive, but not completely negative and not altering the formation. Sticking Amertey on for Shinji was just ultra negative.