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Adrien Silva - Terms Agreed

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Sindidragon

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We need to think about the player Silva himself. He's got a wife and kids and an international career. How can FIFA be so obstinate. Clearly the key point is our submission of documents were on time. Sure we've got our legal team on it.

Sublime_Coatsworth

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42 minutes ago, danny. said:

There must be measures in place to account for technical errors/slowness. What if one of their routers crashed, there was a DDoS, high network traffic, fault cpu or HDD etc. etc. lots of things could cause a 15 second delay

Completely agree. I would also expect any decent IT department to be able to prove via a date/time stamp when they hit "send". However, despite the £millions these businesses deal with - I'll bet they're incredibly lax in this area.

weller54

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7 minutes ago, Sindidragon said:

We need to think about the player Silva himself. He's got a wife and kids and an international career. How can FIFA be so obstinate. Clearly the key point is our submission of documents were on time. Sure we've got our legal team on it.

Ironside is raring to go..... Give him a bit extra time to get into the Court though.. Under his circumstances he might be about 14 seconds late! 

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Just now, Sindidragon said:

Silva was seen in an estate agents looking for a house yesterday in Leicester around 17.00hrs!!! 

old news

NotTheMarketLeader

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2 hours ago, Babylon said:

To sell players there needs to be another party interested and the want of a player to go. Again, lots to slate the club about... but I don't get that one.

 

Perfect world, yes you are totally correct... but in a perfect world I'd be tucked up in bed and Natalie Portman would be in the kitchen making my breakfast. (That's the family friendly version).

The point I was trying to make is, we have been interested in Silva for over 12 months, so should have bought him regardless of Drinkwater's move, leaving us owning a player who be an upgrade to the first 11.

 

If we have to pay the '2nd string' midfielders until January before moving them on, so be it. 

 

That would have been by far the lesser of two evils.

 

I do not believe doing so would have bankrupted the club in doing so; as some suggested - offering that as an excuse for what appears to be negligence or at the very least incompetence by the club.

 

And yeah, 'Porters' is alright 

weller54

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1 minute ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Yeah I didn't see that. 

 

Good memory though I thought - plucked that from knowhere.

Did you come up with that before morning had broken? 

5waller5

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2 hours ago, davieG said:

Not read all the above but this is how the Merc are seeing it.

 

Before we get into what went wrong for Leicester, here is how it should have worked, according to Fifa's own regulations.

The stages of an international transfer

Leicester City and Sporting Lisbon agree to the transfer of Adrien Silva.

Leicester and Sporting then enter the details and documents for the transfer into Fifa’s Transfer Matching System (TMS). All the information must match.

When the details are matched, the FA is notified on the TMS. This must happen before the deadline.

The FA then apply for an International Transfer Certificate (ITC), through Fifa, to the Portuguese FA. This can happen after the deadline.

The Portuguese FA will then ask Sporting and Silva to confirm that the early termination of his contract has been mutually agreed. Once that is done, they will accept the ITC.

The FA receive the ITC and then enter and confirm the registration date into the TMS. Only then is Silva eligible to play for Leicester.

Unfortunately, things did not go as planned.

 

 

So, what did go wrong?

Leicester applied for a two-hour deadline until 1am to complete to deal to bring Silva to the club.

City are adamant they filed their final documents before the deadline, however the FA did not receive notification of the transfer until 14 seconds after the deadline.

One o’clock…and 14 seconds.

When the FA asked Fifa to request an International Transfer Certificate from the Portuguese FA, they were told that they were too late.

Fourteen seconds too late.

Adrien Silva's move is in doubt after Fifa rejected Leicester City's application to register the player(Image: Getty Images)

Even though Leicester are adamant they completed the paperwork before the deadline, it is the time that the FA received it that counts. This is time-stamped electronically, for those asking whether the relevant person at the FA was on a tea break at the time.

Leicester are understood to have the support of the FA in trying to find a solution, and both have already worked together in asking Fifa if they are willing to change their minds. It was only 14 seconds after all. Not 14 minutes, or an hour.

However, Fifa have reiterated their stance that rules are rules, late is late.

 

What can Leicester do now?

The ball, then, is now in Leicester’s court and it is up to them how they wish to appeal the decision.

Leicester are believed to be considering their options for appeal, but are still hopeful of being able to resolve the situation.

It remains to be seen what avenue they take, but they could argue that all their paperwork was done and sent before the deadline, and that there was just a slight delay, of just 14 seconds, in it being received on the system by the FA.

Who will Silva play for?

That is another question that still needs to be answered. There have been reports that, even if Fifa do not change their mind, Silva will remain at Leicester but cannot play until January, when he can be re-registered.

The Sporting president said today that: "The transfer is done. What is at stake is the registration and I hope they can register."

Leicester have even named Silva in their 25-man squad for the Premier League campaign.

 

 

However, the Mercury understands that Leicester maintain that the £22million deal to bring Silva to the club will NOT go through if the decision stands.

This could end up being the second transfer window in which Silva’s desired move to Leicester breaks down.

Silva thought he was coming last summer only for Sporting to block the move at the last minute.

 

 

Seems like it was the communication channel between LCFC and the FA was the problem nothing to do with FIFA as such.

 

If true that's shoddy treatment of the player by LCFC.

 

I can't imagine we want that reputation so hope it's untrue.

 

 

 

AlloverthefloorYesNdidi

AlloverthefloorYesNdidi

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2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

 

If true that's shoddy treatment of the player by LCFC.

 

I can't imagine we want that reputation so hope it's untrue.

 

 

 

Not necessarily.  If the deal doesnt go through he gets to play competitive football for the next few months

5waller5

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Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Not necessarily.  If the deal doesnt go through he gets to play competitive football for the next few months

The only club he could play for is Sporting ..... so if that's the case then we'd need to make agreement with them that he's our player being either unofficially or officially (not sure of the loan agreement law in this case) to them until jan 1. To try and send him back and cancel the transaction therefore eliminating his pay rise etc is shoddy on our part.... it's also going to be a lengthy legal battle as Sporting see the transfer as done.

AlloverthefloorYesNdidi

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8 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

The only club he could play for is Sporting ..... so if that's the case then we'd need to make agreement with them that he's our player being either unofficially or officially (not sure of the loan agreement law in this case) to them until jan 1. To try and send him back and cancel the transaction therefore eliminating his pay rise etc is shoddy on our part.... it's also going to be a lengthy legal battle as Sporting see the transfer as done.

True:  if Sporting dont want to také him back then it might not be worth the legal hassle.  But if they do také him back you can guarantee that berkshire hunt president will stick 5-10 mill on the price in January

funkyrobot

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1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

 

Unlike rudkin i aways send messages early and in triplicate...leaving nothing to chance 

Great call. If it was up to me you'd be the new Rudkin 

FLAN

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All FIFA have to do is say they accept the appeal as a respect to their player and that we get some sort of fine. They save face and We get the player 

5waller5

5waller5

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7 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

True:  if Sporting dont want to také him back then it might not be worth the legal hassle.  But if they do také him back you can guarantee that berkshire hunt president will stick 5-10 mill on the price in January

I think we can be pretty sure that he knows what a bargaining position he's in right now as the only club we can loan to .... so will take advantage of that!!!

5waller5

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1 minute ago, F1_AN said:

All FIFA have to do is say they accept the appeal as a respect to their player and that we get some sort of fine. They save face and We get the player 

There was talk of this earlier in the thread but the fine was 30% of transfer value!!!

Hammo

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If kick off is delayed by so much as one second v Chelsea on Saturday and we go on lose, I would expect - as a measure of consistency - for the FA and FIFA to intervene and declare the match null and void. :P

Babylon

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42 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

The point I was trying to make is, we have been interested in Silva for over 12 months, so should have bought him regardless of Drinkwater's move, leaving us owning a player who be an upgrade to the first 11.

 

If we have to pay the '2nd string' midfielders until January before moving them on, so be it. 

 

That would have been by far the lesser of two evils.

 

I do not believe doing so would have bankrupted the club in doing so; as some suggested - offering that as an excuse for what appears to be negligence or at the very least incompetence by the club.

 

And yeah, 'Porters' is alright 

It's not about breaking the bank but complying with set spending rules. Yes, that can be a perfectly acceptable reason for not being able to have both. Again, we're searching for reasons to slate the club where we need not. I don't know why people are searching for scenarios when the one we've got is enough to slate them about, they should have called time on both deals when we go to the point of people running about like headless chickens.

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