Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[Jon the Hat]

46 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I’m not convinced at all that those things will stop people voting Farage tbh. Farage will always move the goalposts and always finds one more reason to talk Britain down or one more institution to go after.

I doubt Labour are going to move the needle much on immigration tbh, they are not about to bring in ID cards are they?  If we cannot stop illegals work we cannot stop illegal immigration.

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

I doubt Labour are going to move the needle much on immigration tbh, they are not about to bring in ID cards are they?  If we cannot stop illegals work we cannot stop illegal immigration.

They have ID cards in other countries and it hasn't stopped illegal workers.

[Stadt]

5 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Which is true but also utterly irrelevant. 

 

They're different sports. Like male and female tennis. 

 

Men and women are physiologically different. Obviously men would beat women, what's the point here? The best female players are the best players in the world in their sport. Participation has increased dramatically in the last decade so the quality should improve too but that's no point comparing apples and oranges. 

 

The dimensions of goals were created to suit the male goalkeeper. Women are smaller. So obviously they will find it harder to reach the top corners. But you still get boring blokes complaining about female goalkeepers. 

 

This subject bothers me as I've coached female football. My daughter has played it. I cannot stand the type of guy that goes on social media to make stupid points about young guys beating adult women. Like, so what? It's irrelevant. 

Needlessly grouchy response. I was replying to somebody else pointing out that their opinion isn’t uncommon and provided an example supporting it. 
 

[Jon the Hat]

20 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

They have ID cards in other countries and it hasn't stopped illegal workers.

Those countries people are coming through to get to the UK?  Some of them anyway.

[Alf Bentley]

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Those countries people are coming through to get to the UK?  Some of them anyway.

 

The fact migrants come through countries that have ID cards doesn't mean they do so BECAUSE those countries have ID cards.

 

I've heard the odd immigrant on TV comment about harsher treatment by the French authorities, but language and family/community connections are a big part of the explanation.

We don't see a big influx from North or West Africa (Nigeria & Ghana apart) because migrants from those countries have stronger linguistic/family/community connections with France - or sometimes Spain or Italy - so are more likely to stay there. Likewise, there are strong existing family/community connections that lead many Turks or ex-Yugoslavs to prefer Germany.

 

Aside from a few with existing family/community connections, many migrants say they come here at least partly due to the English language. Many, even from Syria, Afghanistan or Sudan, will have some English - now effectively the global Esperanto via the Internet & global US-led culture. The UK also seems to have a reputation for being more welcoming and less racist - a compliment, in a way, though whether it's still justified or remains justified in future is another matter.

 

I've no idea whether it's easier to find illegal work in the UK than in other European countries. But it's certainly possible elsewhere - and even if it is a bit easier here, I find it hard to believe that countless thousands are prepared to risk their lives purely because it's marginally easier to find illegal work. If it is easier to find illegal work, that's an argument for stronger enforcement of legal employment - but that means reversing more Tory spending cuts, at least in the short-term, at a time when the Govt is struggling to fund much higher spending priorities...

 

Looking at the wider issue - immigration overall, legal and illegal - the UK public has to wise up to the real choices on offer. We have an increasingly aging population, a low birth rate and (like most of the West) growth levels that have been low for several decades. If we don't want significant net working-age immigration, our options are limited: 

- Discover a way of boosting growth that no other western govt/nation has yet found (ironically, the US had one - at least partly based on mass immigration, legal & illegal)

- Increase state pension age to 70+

- Increase taxes on most people (directly or indirectly)

- Slash public services even more than they have already been slashed

- Accept lower living standards

Rejecting all those options as well as rejecting high net immigration will potentially leave our economy, society and democracy in a worrying place...

[CornwallFox]

4 hours ago, Stadt said:

Needlessly grouchy response. I was replying to somebody else pointing out that their opinion isn’t uncommon and provided an example supporting it. 
 

 you might be right, I just get annoyed by a constant stream of talking down of women's football on social media I think

[CornwallFox]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I doubt Labour are going to move the needle much on immigration tbh, they are not about to bring in ID cards are they?  If we cannot stop illegals work we cannot stop illegal immigration.

Tbh we should let asylum seekers work as they do in other countries. They can do activities for councils to help pay for their keep while claims are processed. 

[filthyfox]

Our rumoured new kit is an absokute disgrace!

[Jon the Hat]

18 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

The fact migrants come through countries that have ID cards doesn't mean they do so BECAUSE those countries have ID cards.

 

I've heard the odd immigrant on TV comment about harsher treatment by the French authorities, but language and family/community connections are a big part of the explanation.

We don't see a big influx from North or West Africa (Nigeria & Ghana apart) because migrants from those countries have stronger linguistic/family/community connections with France - or sometimes Spain or Italy - so are more likely to stay there. Likewise, there are strong existing family/community connections that lead many Turks or ex-Yugoslavs to prefer Germany.

 

Aside from a few with existing family/community connections, many migrants say they come here at least partly due to the English language. Many, even from Syria, Afghanistan or Sudan, will have some English - now effectively the global Esperanto via the Internet & global US-led culture. The UK also seems to have a reputation for being more welcoming and less racist - a compliment, in a way, though whether it's still justified or remains justified in future is another matter.

 

I've no idea whether it's easier to find illegal work in the UK than in other European countries. But it's certainly possible elsewhere - and even if it is a bit easier here, I find it hard to believe that countless thousands are prepared to risk their lives purely because it's marginally easier to find illegal work. If it is easier to find illegal work, that's an argument for stronger enforcement of legal employment - but that means reversing more Tory spending cuts, at least in the short-term, at a time when the Govt is struggling to fund much higher spending priorities...

 

Looking at the wider issue - immigration overall, legal and illegal - the UK public has to wise up to the real choices on offer. We have an increasingly aging population, a low birth rate and (like most of the West) growth levels that have been low for several decades. If we don't want significant net working-age immigration, our options are limited: 

- Discover a way of boosting growth that no other western govt/nation has yet found (ironically, the US had one - at least partly based on mass immigration, legal & illegal)

- Increase state pension age to 70+

- Increase taxes on most people (directly or indirectly)

- Slash public services even more than they have already been slashed

- Accept lower living standards

Rejecting all those options as well as rejecting high net immigration will potentially leave our economy, society and democracy in a worrying place...

All good points, and indeed we need immigration. 

[Tommy G]

Coldplay are massively overrated 

[bovril]

Just now, Tommy G said:

Coldplay are massively overrated 

They aren't particularly rated. Though still too much. 

[Tommy G]

Just now, bovril said:

They aren't particularly rated. Though still too much. 

Just listening to it in a bar in Spain , can’t stand them. 

[bovril]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Just listening to it in a bar in Spain , can’t stand them. 

their music is like the Leeds accent to my ears

[deejdeej]

Losing weight on Mounjaro is nothing to be proud of. It should only be used in extreme circumstances but half of the country seem to be using it now.

[Sly]

1 hour ago, deejdeej said:

Losing weight on Mounjaro is nothing to be proud of. It should only be used in extreme circumstances but half of the country seem to be using it now.

What happens when people stop taking it? Do they put the weight back on? 
 

I’ve so many questions! 
 

Although, I’ve no idea if it has any known side effects, however being less hefty is going to be better for your health (surely). No matter how you get there. 

[deejdeej]

7 hours ago, Sly said:

What happens when people stop taking it? Do they put the weight back on? 
 

I’ve so many questions! 
 

Although, I’ve no idea if it has any known side effects, however being less hefty is going to be better for your health (surely). No matter how you get there. 

Early days in terms of research, but yeah I imagine the hunger will return and if the person taking it doesn't have the willpower the weight will just come back on. 

 

It just makes people not hungry at all, I've heard of people on high doses barely being able to manage one mouthful of food at a time. Missing out on vital nutrients and starving yourself doesn't seem a healthy way to lose weight.

[Jon the Hat]

9 hours ago, deejdeej said:

Losing weight on Mounjaro is nothing to be proud of. It should only be used in extreme circumstances but half of the country seem to be using it now.

Who is proud of it?  Most people seem to just be amazed at what it can do, at how much healthier they feel, how much better they look and excited for the future.  

[FoyleFox]

10 hours ago, Sly said:

What happens when people stop taking it? Do they put the weight back on? 
 

I’ve so many questions! 
 

Although, I’ve no idea if it has any known side effects, however being less hefty is going to be better for your health (surely). No matter how you get there. 

 

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Who is proud of it?  Most people seem to just be amazed at what it can do, at how much healthier they feel, how much better they look and excited for the future.  

Like any weight loss treatment, the recipient needs to amend their eating habits to maintain the loss after they stop taking it. Assuming their eating habits were the issue, for some people it's not, it's a medical problem. And,  from what I've read, there can be a number of significant side effects when you start taking these weight loss injections. 

 

Ordinary people,  yes, but as ever with these things it appears to spill over to celebrities and,  also those for whom it's not a medical necessity but a quick fix weight loss activity. I assume the poster was referring to the influencer types who mention talking it.

 

 

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, FoyleFox said:

Ordinary people,  yes, but as ever with these things it appears to spill over to celebrities and,  also those for whom it's not a medical necessity but a quick fix weight loss activity. I assume the poster was referring to the influencer types who mention talking it.

I think it is a personal opinion as to whether you have a weight problem, and if you are paying for it privately, and there is now no shortage of the drugs, who cares?

[grobyfox1990]

13 hours ago, deejdeej said:

Losing weight on Mounjaro is nothing to be proud of. It should only be used in extreme circumstances but half of the country seem to be using it now.

Phenomenal early investment though. Thank god for fat, lazy people.

[Soar Fox]

13 hours ago, deejdeej said:

Losing weight on Mounjaro is nothing to be proud of. It should only be used in extreme circumstances but half of the country seem to be using it now.

Quick fix for the lazy fat people who can’t be bothered to lose weight the natural & healthy way. 
 

I imagine they’ll stay on it for life because as soon as they come off it they’ll pile the weight back on. 

[Soar Fox]

4 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Who is proud of it?  Most people seem to just be amazed at what it can do, at how much healthier they feel, how much better they look and excited for the future.  

Suppress your hunger? 
 

Calorie deficit, exercise and healthy meals. Might not be a quick fix but it’s a better and safer way to lose weight. 

[Tommy G]

15 minutes ago, Soar Fox said:

Quick fix for the lazy fat people who can’t be bothered to lose weight the natural & healthy way. 
 

I imagine they’ll stay on it for life because as soon as they come off it they’ll pile the weight back on. 

You sound a bit bitter - if the lazy fat people all lose weight and save the NHS billions as the health sec has promised - then all the less fat and lazy people are golden - less stretched NHS and a better funded Britain, we could waste the money on something else instead!

[Soar Fox]

2 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

You sound a bit bitter - if the lazy fat people all lose weight and save the NHS billions as the health sec has promised - then all the less fat and lazy people are golden - less stretched NHS and a better funded Britain, we could waste the money on something else instead!

Why would I be bitter? I run just over 20 miles a week, swim, lift weights, eat well and enjoy going to the gym. It’s also good for my mental health. 
 

If someone needs an injection to stop them eating how is that going to be sustainable & safe for them in the future?
 

 

[Bordersfox]

8 minutes ago, Soar Fox said:

Why would I be bitter? I run just over 20 miles a week, swim, lift weights, eat well and enjoy going to the gym. It’s also good for my mental health. 
 

If someone needs an injection to stop them eating how is that going to be sustainable & safe for them in the future?
 

 

Tbh the phrasing your original post makes you sound like a bit of a smug tw@t.

 

I lift four times a week, doesn't mean I feel the need to use offensive tropes like 'lazy fat people'. Embarrassing gym bro stuff.  

 

With Tommy on this.  Has the potential to save us billions on the NHS and reverse a national epidemic.  Are you a doctor or a scientist?  Have you examined the studies around these drugs in detail?  I havent so I wouldn't have the first idea as to whether they are sustainable or how they actually work.  

 

What we do know is diabetes and obesity is one of the major challenges facing society so all routes for combating it should be welcomed and explored.