Bert Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 6 hours ago, Ashley said: Being out of position? You mean Danny Simpson not being inline with the rest of our defence? Well he was out of position, went chasing the ball and left a huge gap but I think that was partly down to the midfield being nowhere but he shouldn't have done that, you have to make sure you win that ball because the gap it left was unreal especially with Fuchs thinking about his t-shirt sales. Not sure what simpson could've done to prevent their first? Even if he was in line.
Ashley Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Bert said: Well he was out of position, went chasing the ball and left a huge gap but I think that was partly down to the midfield being nowhere but he shouldn't have done that, you have to make sure you win that ball because the gap it left was unreal especially with Fuchs thinking about his t-shirt sales. Not sure what simpson could've done to prevent their first? Even if he was in line. Agreed but lets be honest we've all been and done things in that similar situation.. If Simpson is in line. Shaq is offside, no?
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 Our defence is half decent 50% of the time.
Monsell1976 Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 The department that needs most investment, so in my opinion, no it’s not good enough. Morgan at the end of career, so is huth, and Fuchs, Simpson is a good back up, but has his limitations as a footballer, and with a manager who like players comfortable on the ball, Simpson is going to struggle. Maguire is young, and needs cover for dips in form, as kids his age are prone to, dragavic loan is a strange one, why bother if he’s not going to add to the team and not play.
dedlock Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said: The department that needs most investment, so in my opinion, no it’s not good enough. Morgan at the end of career, so is huth, and Fuchs, Simpson is a good back up, but has his limitations as a footballer, and with a manager who like players comfortable on the ball, Simpson is going to struggle. Maguire is young, and needs cover for dips in form, as kids his age are prone to, dragavic loan is a strange one, why bother if he’s not going to add to the team and not play. Dragovic well illustrates the problem with the window closing after the season is underway. As a consequence he had no preseason and will need time to integrate with the squad. If Wes hadn’t shown such good form he might have had an earlier opportunity.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 Some good responses and I have to agree with Bert. Surely, knowing what's coming with Stoke and ESPECIALLY with big Crouch, you set your defensive stall out accordingly. Yesterday wasn't the first time Harry has been beaten in the air so easily. Giroud beat him in the Arsenal game too.
ajthefox Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 31 minutes ago, Ashley said: Agreed but lets be honest we've all been and done things in that similar situation.. If Simpson is in line. Shaq is offside, no? Don't you think Shaquiri would've held his run? Simpson was behind Wes but there was a huge bloody hole on our left side. If Simpson had've been a yard further forward and in line with Wes, Shaquiri still would've had acres of space because Maguire and Fuchs both pressed. I'm not really not sure how you can be point the finger at Simpson here.
Jacnah Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 11 hours ago, lcfcsnow said: The full backs are a concern as Simpson has a conference level ability on the ball and Fuchs appears on the way out, but be careful what you wish for. I’m enjoying watching us play, and would rather draw 2-2 than 0-0 scoring nice goals and being entertained than shoring up the defensive side and limiting our attacking players. A more capable ball playing full back would help no end. Very very harsh on Simpson overall though don't you think? True, he isn't blessed with technical skills to rival some, but he has been one of our most consistent and dependable performers. At least IMHO.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 1 hour ago, Bert said: Which makes it even worse.... you have to do your homework. Crouch holds the record for most headed goals in the league. He's as tall as the goalpost it's obvious they were gonna aim for him. Maguire lost him (ridiculous) & Fuchs turned his back away with a pathetic jump. We also had no one on the post. Brain dead from all involved. And you know why he has the most headed goals, well firstly, he has a height advantage and secondly, he's really, really good at it. It's not an unknown quality, other teams have known this, it's pretty obvious and yet he's still gone on to score more headed goals than anyone else. Why? Because he's really good at it. You know what? Maybe they tried to stop him too, with defenders of greater renown than ours. 12 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Some good responses and I have to agree with Bert. Surely, knowing what's coming with Stoke and ESPECIALLY with big Crouch, you set your defensive stall out accordingly. Yesterday wasn't the first time Harry has been beaten in the air so easily. Giroud beat him in the Arsenal game too. Giroud is probably the best header of the ball in the Premier League today, so I reckon that what I've said above about Crouch applies equally to him. Which isn't saying that we shouldn't try or can't do better, but maybe we shouldn't be too surprised when the people who are best at what they do, do it.
StanSP Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 Just now, Trav Le Bleu said: And you know why he has the most headed goals, well firstly, he has a height advantage and secondly, he's really, really good at it. It's not an unknown quality, other teams have known this, it's pretty obvious and yet he's still gone on to score more headed goals than anyone else. Why? Because he's really good at it. You know what? Maybe they tried to stop him too, with defenders of greater renown than ours. Giroud is probably the best header of the ball in the Premier League today, so I reckon that what I've said above about Crouch applies equally to him. Which isn't saying that we shouldn't try or can't do better, but maybe we shouldn't be too surprised when the people who are best at what they do, do it. agree with this. It's like knowing Messi or Robben are good on their left foot. You try and stop them as best as you can, but they still find a way. (before anyone does, I hope no-one assumes I'm saying Crouch is as good as them )
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: agree with this. It's like knowing Messi or Robben are good on their left foot. You try and stop them as best as you can, but they still find a way. (before anyone does, I hope no-one assumes I'm saying Crouch is as good as them ) I'd (seriously) say he's better than both of them, at headed goals at least.
Bert Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 8 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: And you know why he has the most headed goals, well firstly, he has a height advantage and secondly, he's really, really good at it. It's not an unknown quality, other teams have known this, it's pretty obvious and yet he's still gone on to score more headed goals than anyone else. Why? Because he's really good at it. You know what? Maybe they tried to stop him too, with defenders of greater renown than ours. Giroud is probably the best header of the ball in the Premier League today, so I reckon that what I've said above about Crouch applies equally to him. Which isn't saying that we shouldn't try or can't do better, but maybe we shouldn't be too surprised when the people who are best at what they do, do it. It was a free header the only free header he had that afternoon, shouldn't be happening. Sometimes pressure is enough to put people off.
Dan Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Our defending has been pretty awful since we lost he who should not be named. Never truly adapted to losing him. We're just not very well organised at the back. Maguire who I do rate does have an error in him.
mozartfox Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 5 hours ago, whitwickfox said: Come Jan you won't recognise the defence. Botox treatments all round is it?
TheLittleBigMan Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Granted harry didn't have his best game but i've thought him and wes have looked pretty decent. We have huth and dragovic to replace any dip in form from either. Chilwell in for fuchs I would like to see happen. The idea that he wants simpson to get forward however does worry me, largely because he's sh*t at it.
The Doctor Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 9 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: And you know why he has the most headed goals, well firstly, he has a height advantage and secondly, he's really, really good at it. It's not an unknown quality, other teams have known this, it's pretty obvious and yet he's still gone on to score more headed goals than anyone else. Why? Because he's really good at it. You know what? Maybe they tried to stop him too, with defenders of greater renown than ours. Giroud is probably the best header of the ball in the Premier League today, so I reckon that what I've said above about Crouch applies equally to him. Which isn't saying that we shouldn't try or can't do better, but maybe we shouldn't be too surprised when the people who are best at what they do, do it. If he wins the header under pressure and buries it, hold your hands up fair play, but to give him a clear run and unchallenged header is bad defending, no argument otherwise.
Babylon Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 I'm not overly concerned, they are learning a new system and that's going to take time. We looked exposed at the weekend as we're now pushing up the full backs, they need to learn when to go and when to stay. We're crap at set pieces, but Iborra is key to that as he clears so many at the near post. Not a shock we got exposed again without him.
sk3since03 Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 6 hours ago, Dan LCFC said: Our defending has been pretty awful since we lost he who should not be named. Never truly adapted to losing him. We're just not very well organised at the back. Maguire who I do rate does have an error in him. I just miss him so much
ZeGuy Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 16 minutes ago, Babylon said: I'm not overly concerned, they are learning a new system and that's going to take time. We looked exposed at the weekend as we're now pushing up the full backs, they need to learn when to go and when to stay. We're crap at set pieces, but Iborra is key to that as he clears so many at the near post. Not a shock we got exposed again without him. At last someone who talks sense. Indeed, I never saw Fuchs and especially Simpson so far up the pitch, so often. It was inevitable that gaps were going to appear and some mistakes made.
dedlock Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 The theme of our season so far has been “ could have/should have won/drawn” from the capitulation at the Emirates to the lack of a man on the near post at Stoke, too many elementary defensive lapses have lost us points. Iborra will be a key in-how we play, had he been available from the start of the season we might not have conceded so often, he was certainly missed when he went off on Saturday. We will need time to adapt to Puel’s evolution but the poor defence of set pieces needs to be resolved a.s.a.p.
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