Our defence. Good enough?

[fuchsntf]

17 minutes ago, murphy said:

Two defensive lapses yesterday that shouldn't have happened.

 

I think Puel's methods and ideas will take some adapting to by the players and in the meantime some problems are bound to happen, but I think he will tighten things up.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

More the type of goals than the amount at this stage of the season, goals like yesterday’s first are worrying 

 

2 minutes ago, teblin said:

Morgan has played well in the last few weeks. Maguire us a good footballer but not the greatest defender yet. He's still young for a CB. Simpson he's a  good defender but put us under pressure at times by his lack confidence/ability on the ball when he pushes on.

&col.  A topic worth a FT discussion.  Some are panicking, others like me see our midfield as priority

Somewhere between these 3 posts weighs up the situation Very well..No OTT responses,

States the actual situation as I see it.

Mistakes that at the present are not leading to a castrophy or implosion of our Defense set up,and all can be ironed out.

 

Maguire we need him to make those types of moves, that led to that goal, but he misread the situation, and didnt recognise Fuchs was too far forward, for himself then to cover and press ,

higher, he should of held his position.Fuchs was in nomans land at just the wrong time.

2nd goal, forget all the initial mistakes/msrking from both Fuchs/Maguire/Morgan.

King coming off the post, gave Stoke that goal, you cover the post in case the oppos wins the tussle,2-4 city players were there to defend the cross, Mr post man, should hold his postion, then no goal.

Defensive mistake will always be made, these 2 can be ironed out.

We have:

Simpson/Amartey/Huth/Morgan/Maguire/Fuchs/Drago/Chilwell/Benny/Moore ( out on loan).

I dont believe we are desperate for this or next season even...

We could soon see...Amartey...Drago...Maguire....Chilwell....(Moore covering)

but one Can always invest in any type of defender.Not a must now or even January, summer though we should be looking to up the competition for BLine places. top positions we will need, 1 more RB and LB, 1 more CB. PLUS  a young player besides Moore, come up through the ranks.

 

[norwichfox]

10 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

 

 

&col.  A topic worth a FT discussion.  Some are panicking, others like me see our midfield as priority

Somewhere between these 3 posts weighs up the situation Very well..No OTT responses,

States the actual situation as I see it.

Mistakes that at the present are not leading to a castrophy or implosion of our Defense set up,and all can be ironed out.

 

Maguire we need him to make those types of moves, that led to that goal, but he misread the situation, and didnt recognise Fuchs was too far forward, for himself then to cover and press ,

higher, he should of held his position.Fuchs was in nomans land at just the wrong time.

2nd goal, forget all the initial mistakes/msrking from both Fuchs/Maguire/Morgan.

King coming off the post, gave Stoke that goal, you cover the post in case the oppos wins the tussle,2-4 city players were there to defend the cross, Mr post man, should hold his postion, then no goal.

Defensive mistake will always be made, these 2 can be ironed out.

We have:

Simpson/Amartey/Huth/Morgan/Maguire/Fuchs/Drago/Chilwell/Benny/Moore ( out on loan).

I dont believe we are desperate for this or next season even...

We could soon see...Amartey...Drago...Maguire....Chilwell....(Moore covering)

but one Can always invest in any type of defender.Not a must now or even January, summer though we should be looking to up the competition for BLine places. top positions we will need, 1 more RB and LB, 1 more CB. PLUS  a young player besides Moore, come up through the ranks.

 

Could add the 19 year old Darnell Johnson to that list, he looks quite a talented lad.

[lgfualol]

Come January Puel will just bin Simpson and Fuchs I reckon.

[AyewJoking]

2 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Was quite disappointed in Maguire being out of position for their first goal yesterday; he knows he can do better in those situations.

 

Wasn't the first goal Fuchs fault?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

 
Wasn't the first goal Fuchs fault?

A combination of both of them being caught out of position.

[mozartfox]

We need to give Drago a chance before letting Rudkin piss more millions down the carzy. 

[The Doctor]

27 minutes ago, Royston. said:

 

Wasn't the first goal Fuchs fault?

Depends on where you think the first mistake is. It's fine for Fuchs to step up and face the overlap if the cb (Maguire) dovetails in behind, it's fine for Maguire to step up and pressure the striker if the fullback  (Fuchs) tucks in to cover. Both stepping up removes the entire left hand side of our defence 

[somebum]

No its nowhere near good enough

[Webbo]

If defenders never made a mistake there'd never be any goals. If all our defenders were perfect they wouldn't be playing for us, we're heading for midtable, we're going to concede goals. I don't know what some of you expect.

[DelBoy73]

Our defense is good enough and on its day can deal with any opposition you would throw at them, but Fuchs's form is alarming.

He brings nothing going forward and has been a liability at the back in several occasions during the last six months. We have to bed in Chilwell and search for a sub come summer window.

 

 

 

[Jimmy]

I shudder to think of the abuse Ben Chilwell would be getting on here if he put in a performance like Fuchs did yesterday absolutely woeful

[Ashley]

3 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Was quite disappointed in Maguire being out of position for their first goal yesterday; he knows he can do better in those situations.

Being out of position? You mean Danny Simpson not being inline with the rest of our defence?

[winteriscoming]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

there's no way in hell the whole back 4 was being replaced  

 

I don't think any team has done that over one summer so you'd already set your expectations too high.

You say that but apart from wba we probably have the oldest defence from last season all 30+. I may have worded it wrong but there comes a point where you have to change the old guard and develop with new signings. play 2 new signings in a back 4 but we only signed 1 in the summer. How long can wes, huth fuchs and simpson last at this level. 

[waylander]

2 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

 

 

&col.  A topic worth a FT discussion.  Some are panicking, others like me see our midfield as priority

Somewhere between these 3 posts weighs up the situation Very well..No OTT responses,

States the actual situation as I see it.

Mistakes that at the present are not leading to a castrophy or implosion of our Defense set up,and all can be ironed out.

 

Maguire we need him to make those types of moves, that led to that goal, but he misread the situation, and didnt recognise Fuchs was too far forward, for himself then to cover and press ,

higher, he should of held his position.Fuchs was in nomans land at just the wrong time.

2nd goal, forget all the initial mistakes/msrking from both Fuchs/Maguire/Morgan.

King coming off the post, gave Stoke that goal, you cover the post in case the oppos wins the tussle,2-4 city players were there to defend the cross, Mr post man, should hold his postion, then no goal.

Defensive mistake will always be made, these 2 can be ironed out.

We have:

Simpson/Amartey/Huth/Morgan/Maguire/Fuchs/Drago/Chilwell/Benny/Moore ( out on loan).

I dont believe we are desperate for this or next season even...

We could soon see...Amartey...Drago...Maguire....Chilwell....(Moore covering)

but one Can always invest in any type of defender.Not a must now or even January, summer though we should be looking to up the competition for BLine places. top positions we will need, 1 more RB and LB, 1 more CB. PLUS  a young player besides Moore, come up through the ranks.

 

This sums it up beautifully no need to panic every team makes mistakes and crouch is any teams nightmare . Definitely nethe defence needs looking at but were far from the worst. King on the post is basics if he had stayed no goal no prooblem . Had to say it he is the weakest link.  

[StanSP]

13 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

You say that but apart from wba we probably have the oldest defence from last season all 30+. I may have worded it wrong but there comes a point where you have to change the old guard and develop with new signings. play 2 new signings in a back 4 but we only signed 1 in the summer. How long can wes, huth fuchs and simpson last at this level. 

and Maguire is one of them! 

 

Huth hasn't played this season anyway so Maguire was a natural replacement (I think he was always going to play ahead of him since he signed anyway. 

 

Chilwell will replace Fuchs eventually. Just a matter of when, not if. 

[DatfoxesKid23]

5 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Just took a look at the Prem goals conceded and saw that we've shipped the 7th most goals in the division. That's 16 goals.

Far from being 'a rock', Maguire and Morgan don't look too steady. We were so suspect from corners yesterday for instance.

Fuchs is looking a little past it perhaps. For me, defensively, Simpson is possibly still the safest, although he's pants coming forward.

We are conceding too many goals...

Is it the back five? Is the midfield too thin? Are we poor defending as a team?

Don't get upset I've dared to ask the question.

Discuss...

we get over ran in midfield so the defence gets tested more than it should. I think a change to a midfield three would sort the problem. 16 goals conceded is not bad seeing as most of them were conceded against the top 6. Besides this is foxestalk we need something to moan about.

[winteriscoming]

43 minutes ago, StanSP said:

and Maguire is one of them! 

 

Huth hasn't played this season anyway so Maguire was a natural replacement (I think he was always going to play ahead of him since he signed anyway. 

 

Chilwell will replace Fuchs eventually. Just a matter of when, not if. 

I think chilwell is better as a wing back or winger as he is questionable defensively. Hes better going foward. So imo we still need a lb cb in january or in the summer if only to provide competition for these players. Which is what I think puel will do in jan. 

[dedlock]

We need to cut out the defensive lapses. It’s an issue to be resolved on the training ground. Hard work and communication involving the back 4 and defensive midfield.

 

These lapses including vulnerability at set pieces have plagued us last season and this. Time to get it resolved.

[Stadt]

We're sixth for xG against so it seems we're on the end of some negative variance and there's not an underlying issue. We don't help ourselves by defending so deeply and passively in later stages of games so it's probably no surprise we're one of the worst sides in the lead for shipping goals late on. Hopefully Puel's coaching and play style sees us as capable of retaining possession as form of defending rather than sitting too deep and absorbing too much pressure.

[Aus Fox]

Good enough for what is the question?

To stay up? Absolutely look how many teams this season have conceded 5 + in a single game...

Everton, Stoke,Palace, Liverpool off the top of my head, then look at how many have conceded 4+ on more than one occasion this season.

Without changes we have enough to comfortably finish mid table.

Good enough to challenge the top 6 is a different story.

For what it's worth, I would bring in Chilwell and Amartey at full back and build for the future.

With 3/4 of our back 4 under 25 we are going to progress in the long term.

There will be mistakes along the way, but this is part of the learning curve.

 

 

[whitwickfox]

Come Jan you won't recognise the defence.

[Lionator]

Any on-field criticism aimed towards Simpson is competely laughable. He's been our most consistent defender over the past 3 years, he has credit in the bank and deserves as much time as he needs.

[Trav Le Bleu]

7 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Depends on where you think the first mistake is. It's fine for Fuchs to step up and face the overlap if the cb (Maguire) dovetails in behind, it's fine for Maguire to step up and pressure the striker if the fullback  (Fuchs) tucks in to cover. Both stepping up removes the entire left hand side of our defence 

Which suggests that maybe the answer lies in better training. Of course, changing managers means some change in system, so might be in part reason for confusion, but they should be more aware. But hey, everyone makes mistakes. Not like this was continually happening the whole game.

 

The answer to the OP depends on your expectations I guess. The figures suggest we're middling (7th worst is nearer the middle than the bottom) which isn't the end of the world, though on the other hand, obviously that can be improved on. We've also played a relatively high percentage of our games against the best teams in the league. How will it level out as we play other teams?

 

I'd like to see Dragovic get a run out in the league. I like what I've seen from him so far, but then who to drop? Wes has really stepped up, and whilst arguably Maguire maybe hasn't been the greatest defensively, he provides drive from the back, something we've lacked for too long. Then again, as I said previously, New manager probably means new systems or style of play. Until that pans out, who knows our best defensive options?

 

I'm hoping it's Claude Puel.

[MGLCFC]

Would like to see if we could accommodate this formation in January, provided Gray could learn the right wing back  

 

                               kasper

 

        Armartey     Morgan      Dragovic

 

Gray     Silva   Iborra    Ndidi       Chilwell

 

                 Mahrez

 

                               Vardy

[Bert]

9 hours ago, StanSP said:

against a team notorious for doing well from set-pieces.

I hated the first goal we conceded because it was easy to defend against and easily preventable.

 

I'd have been much more annoyed and angry if we'd have conceded against Everton who are known for having no striking options these days and were terribly off form.

Which makes it even worse.... you have to do your homework. Crouch holds the record for most headed goals in the league. He's as tall as the goalpost it's obvious they were gonna aim for him. Maguire lost him (ridiculous) & Fuchs turned his back away with a pathetic jump. We also had no one on the post. Brain dead from all involved.