Salisbury, Skripal, Poison and Russia.

[maynefox]

7 minutes ago, Buce said:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=wz-pWpTlO82WkwXS4JPICA&q=sample&oq=sample&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0i131k1j0l9.1070.2824.0.5438.7.6.0.0.0.0.184.1032.0j6.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.6.1028.0...0.LK4lBwP7x0o

 

You seem to be confused as to what 'sample' means:

 

Sample

noun

noun: sample; plural noun: samples

1. 1.

   a small part or quantity intended to show what the whole is like.

    

    

    

Thank you for bringing to my attention a meaningless error which does not affect the highlighted quote.

 

Instead of answering questions you spend your time playing "key-board warrior" .... hmm I wonder who else uses the same stupidity tactics on the internet that you have used throughout this thread? Oh yes, Russian bots!

 

Serious question. Do you think there is any legitimacy in giving a sample of the nerve agent to Moscow, and for it to be never seen again?

 

How old are you 17? Instead of making yourself look foolish in this thread, where you are clearly ignorant to the subject, perhaps I could recommend some reading for you?

 

A Very Expensive Poison - Luke Harding (This one is highly recommended).

Red Notice - Bill Browder
Winter is Coming - Garry Kasparov

 

Tar xo

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Recently a corrupt Vietnamese official fled his country to Germany. He embezzled a load of money from the govt. Was found out, and pissed off to Germany seeking asylum, selling state secrets etc..

 

Vietname abducted him in Germany and took him back home, where he can be sentenced to death for his crimes (i dont know how this ended or if it has)

 

Point being, this is a proven case, whereas as far as we know, the Russian one isnt, and its a similar crime. Do you think Germany should kick Vietnamese diplomats out of its country and threaten them?

 

Any of you who condone May's take on this also condemn Corbyn for allegedly speaking to Czech spies?

Cos even if Russia did this, this man woulf be guilty of betrayal of the nation, like Corbyn apparently does for breakfast

 

Why was this Vietnamese case not bigger news at the time? Because its not Russia, thats why

[Beechey]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Recently a corrupt Vietnamese official fled his country to Germany. He embezzled a load of money from the govt. Was found out, and pissed off to Germany seeking asylum, selling state secrets etc..

 

Vietname abducted him in Germany and took him back home, where he can be sentenced to death for his crimes (i dont know how this ended or if it has)

 

Point being, this is a proven case, whereas as far as we know, the Russian one isnt. Do you think Germany should kick Vietnamese diplomats out of its country and threaten them?

 

Any of you who condone May's take on this also condemn Corbyn for allegedly speaking to Czech spies?

 

Why was this Vietnamese case not bigger news at the time? Because its not Russia, thats why

Because one involves a state kidnapping and rendition, which is bad, the other is the first time a chemical weapon has been deploiyed on European soil since WW2. Gee, I wonder which is bigger news.

[Fox 4 Life]

1 minute ago, Beechey said:

Because one involves a state kidnapping and rendition, which is bad, the other is the first time a chemical weapon has been deploiyed on European soil since WW2. Gee, I wonder which is bigger news.

It's also the arrogance of it, if they just wanted to make him disappear they could and nobody would have been the wiser but they use a Russian nerve agent in broad daylight, it's physcopathic and they literally don't give a shit 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

3 minutes ago, Beechey said:

Because one involves a state kidnapping and rendition, which is bad, the other is the first time a chemical weapon has been deploiyed on European soil since WW2. Gee, I wonder which is bigger news.

I knew someone would respond with that

Its kind of fair, but you're ignoring he larger point. Eg. Morally, lets say they kill this vietnamese official. Same end right?

And its not like it was a chemical attack on the public. Seems like the nature of the attack is being used as a buzzword to boost the story

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

3 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

It's also the arrogance of it, if they just wanted to make him disappear they could and nobody would have been the wiser but they use a Russian nerve agent in broad daylight, it's physcopathic and they literally don't give a shit 

Is it proven though? Real question. Is there no room for doubt?

[Beechey]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I knew someone would respond with that

Its kind of fair, but you're ignoring he larger point. Eg. Morally, lets say they kill this vietnamese official. Same end right?

And its not like it was a chemical attack on the public. Seems like the nature of the attack is being used as a buzzword to boost the story

The nature of the attack changes everything. A state rendition should be rightfully condemned, but a nuclear power utilising banned weapons of mass destruction on another nuclear power's territory is seriously reckless and jeapordises the security of the entire continent. Whether it was an attack on the public or not is immaterial, the attack happened in the public, it affected upowards to 500 people, a single molecule of this agent inhaled could be enough to kill, the reponse should be different.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I knew someone would respond with that

Its kind of fair, but you're ignoring he larger point. Eg. Morally, lets say they kill this vietnamese official. Same end right?

And its not like it was a chemical attack on the public. Seems like the nature of the attack is being used as a buzzword to boost the story

I think its more the fact that it is an aggressive act carried out in peacetime in another sovereign nation that is the problem. Its not acceptable to do that. 

[Finnegan]

14 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Recently a corrupt Vietnamese official fled his country to Germany. He embezzled a load of money from the govt. Was found out, and pissed off to Germany seeking asylum, selling state secrets etc..

 

Vietname abducted him in Germany and took him back home, where he can be sentenced to death for his crimes (i dont know how this ended or if it has)

 

Point being, this is a proven case, whereas as far as we know, the Russian one isnt, and its a similar crime. Do you think Germany should kick Vietnamese diplomats out of its country and threaten them?

 

Any of you who condone May's take on this also condemn Corbyn for allegedly speaking to Czech spies?

Cos even if Russia did this, this man woulf be guilty of betrayal of the nation, like Corbyn apparently does for breakfast

 

Why was this Vietnamese case not bigger news at the time? Because its not Russia, thats why

 

Not sure I understand your point. 

 

Russia is a super power, Vietnam isn't. Its obvious why one is major international news and the other isn't. 

[Guest Foxin_mad]

6 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Is it proven though? Real question. Is there no room for doubt?

Its very fishy to say the least.

 

Putin has been recorded saying traitors will kick the bucket.

 

An ex Russian spy turned informant to M16 is suddenly attacked with a nerve agent, that can only be produced in 3 labs globally (one in Moscow). I would like to know who else did it and why? We really don't have a great deal to gain by upsetting Russia unnecessarily. 

 

[Beechey]

1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said:

Its very fishy to say the least.

 

Putin has been recorded saying traitors will kick the bucket.

 

An ex Russian spy turned informant to M16 is suddenly attacked with a nerve agent, that can only be produced in 3 labs globally (one in Moscow). I would like to know who else did it and why? We really don't have a great deal to gain by upsetting Russia unnecessarily. 

 

And we clearly have enough of an assurance this was produced by Russia to provide it to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons

[Buce]

1 hour ago, maynefox said:

Thank you for bringing to my attention a meaningless error which does not affect the highlighted quote.

 

Instead of answering questions you spend your time playing "key-board warrior" .... hmm I wonder who else uses the same stupidity tactics on the internet that you have used throughout this thread? Oh yes, Russian bots!

 

Serious question. Do you think there is any legitimacy in giving a sample of the nerve agent to Moscow, and for it to be never seen again?

 

How old are you 17? Instead of making yourself look foolish in this thread, where you are clearly ignorant to the subject, perhaps I could recommend some reading for you?

 

A Very Expensive Poison - Luke Harding (This one is highly recommended).

Red Notice - Bill Browder
Winter is Coming - Garry Kasparov

 

Tar xo

 

Now who's being a keyboard warrior?

 

Of course there is legitimacy in doing so - a sample is just that - a sample. What would it matter if it wasn't seen again?

 

Edit. And while we're on the subject of definitions - a keyboard warrior hides behind his keyboard. I'm more than happy to meet you if you'd like to insult me to my face, you tosser.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

33 minutes ago, Beechey said:

The nature of the attack changes everything. A state rendition should be rightfully condemned, but a nuclear power utilising banned weapons of mass destruction on another nuclear power's territory is seriously reckless and jeapordises the security of the entire continent. Whether it was an attack on the public or not is immaterial, the attack happened in the public, it affected upowards to 500 people, a single molecule of this agent inhaled could be enough to kill, the reponse should be different.

 

31 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

I think its more the fact that it is an aggressive act carried out in peacetime in another sovereign nation that is the problem. Its not acceptable to do that. 

 

27 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Its very fishy to say the least.

 

Putin has been recorded saying traitors will kick the bucket.

 

An ex Russian spy turned informant to M16 is suddenly attacked with a nerve agent, that can only be produced in 3 labs globally (one in Moscow). I would like to know who else did it and why? We really don't have a great deal to gain by upsetting Russia unnecessarily. 

 

All fair points. I suppose i'm looking for reasons not to suddenly be in further conflict with Russia. It does seem hard to believe this would be anything other than a Russian attack

 

But i'm not sure there is no dodgy incentive to demonise Russia

 

There are people in the states making billions out of these missile defence systems which apparently wont even work. 

 

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy, just puts the jitters in me a bit, the conflict, the knee jerk reaction spouted all over the press

Why not go through the due process as the Russian's have offered? If they are guilty it wont help them

[yorkie1999]

29 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Its very fishy to say the least.

 

Putin has been recorded saying traitors will kick the bucket.

 

An ex Russian spy turned informant to M16 is suddenly attacked with a nerve agent, that can only be produced in 3 labs globally (one in Moscow). I would like to know who else did it and why? We really don't have a great deal to gain by upsetting Russia unnecessarily. 

 

Where are the other 2?

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

34 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Not sure I understand your point. 

 

Russia is a super power, Vietnam isn't. Its obvious why one is major international news and the other isn't. 

Tbf, my point was prettt garbled

 

Im just trying to see it from another perspective. Super powers flying the Vs at each other cant be good for anyone

 

 

[Webbo]

8 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

 

 

All fair points. I suppose i'm looking for reasons not to suddenly be in further conflict with Russia. It does seem hard to believe this would be anything other than a Russian attack

 

But i'm not sure there is no dodgy incentive to demonise Russia

 

There are people in the states making billions out of these missile defence systems which apparently wont even work. 

 

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy, just puts the jitters in me a bit, the conflict, the knee jerk reaction spouted all over the press

Why not go through the due process as the Russian's have offered? If they are guilty it wont help them

If they don't want demonising, don't use nerve gas in foreign countries. If they had shot him there'd be plausible deniability, it could be dismissed as Russian mafia. To actually use nerve gas was a big fvck off to the western world. They did it and they wanted us to know they did it. 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

If they don't want demonising, don't use nerve gas in foreign countries. If they had shot him there'd be plausible deniability, it could be dismissed as Russian mafia. To actually use nerve gas was a big fvck off to the western world. They did it and they wanted us to know they did it. 

If thats true, why would they want to do that? How is it in their interest?

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

If thats true, why would they want to do that? How is it in their interest?

Because there's an election coming up and Putin loves to play the hardman. As I said why use nerve gas unless you wanted people to know it was you?

[Beechey]

British diplomats to be expelled from Moscow in retaliation, Russian ambassador says

Alexander Yakovenko, the Russian ambassador to the UK, has confirmed that British diplomats will be expelled from Moscow. Asked in an interview with Sky News about what would happen after May’s statement, he said:

"There will be expulsions. As you understand in diplomatic practice, there will be answers from the Russian side."

When he was asked to clarify if this meant British diplomats being expelled from Moscow, he replied.

"In diplomacy, there is always reciprocity."

He also said that what the UK government was doing was “absolutely unacceptable” and that it should refer the matter to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. He said:

"We consider these measures made by the British government absolutely unacceptable, and I’ll tell you why. We believe Britain should follow international law. Under obligations under the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, if they have any suspicions on nerve gas or something like that, they have to make an application to the organisation and make a request. And, so far, we did not get any samples."

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

18 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Because there's an election coming up and Putin loves to play the hardman. As I said why use nerve gas unless you wanted people to know it was you?

I guess its feasible

 

If thats true, got to admire what a balls out reckless mo fo Putin is: sacrificing diplomatic relations with the UK for his hard man image

[Sharpe's Fox]

immediately remove all sanctions on Russia. Why are we punishing good people for the actions of their dictator? Sanctions never work.

[Beechey]

5 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

immediately remove all sanctions on Russia. Why are we punishing good people for the actions of their dictator? Sanctions never work.

The sanctions aren't on the country, they're on individuals and businesses close to Putin and the regime. If anything, they should be extended to hurt more people that have a position in the Russian government or allow it to operate (Oligarchs).

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

6 minutes ago, Beechey said:

The sanctions aren't on the country, they're on individuals and businesses close to Putin and the regime. If anything, they should be extended to hurt more people that have a position in the Russian government or allow it to operate (Oligarchs).

I have read that sanctions always end up hurting the common folk rather than the leaders of the society.

I dont know the mechanics of this, mind, just read that its the case somewhere

[Beechey]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I have read that sanctions always end up hurting the common folk rather than the leaders of the society.

I dont know the mechanics of this, mind, just read that its the case somewhere

It might be true, but there's little that can be done on this side that doesn't involve removing sanctions, which won't happen. It's definitely adversely effected the Russian economy

[Sharpe's Fox]

2 minutes ago, Beechey said:

It might be true, but there's little that can be done on this side that doesn't involve removing sanctions, which won't happen. It's definitely adversely effected the Russian economy

which helps Putin and allows him to bang the nationalistic drum. If sanctions worked there wouldn’t be a Castro leading Cuba or a Kim leading the DPRK.