Buce Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 https://www.forces.net/news/russia-vs-britain-how-do-militaries-stack https://www.forces.net/news/tri-service/supersonic-russian-planes-could-carry-400-tanks
Beechey Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 11 minutes ago, Buce said: https://www.forces.net/news/russia-vs-britain-how-do-militaries-stack https://www.forces.net/news/tri-service/supersonic-russian-planes-could-carry-400-tanks As I said, looking at the pure numbers the difference is clear, which is why we need further investment, but realistically Russia could not land a significant force here without unacceptable losses. That's before you realise we have the backing of NATO. If we were Poland and bordered them, I'd be terrified of their land capabilities, but we're an island and don't have to worry about that. The Navy and RAF are our first and last line of defence. And that second link "according to a report from state-funded news outlet RT" How to know when a project is dead: has any news come of it in the last 3 years? No? It's dead.
Buce Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Beechey said: As I said, looking at the pure numbers the difference is clear, which is why we need further investment, but realistically Russia could not land a significant force here without unacceptable losses. That's before you realise we have the backing of NATO. If we were Poland and bordered them, I'd be terrified of their land capabilities, but we're an island and don't have to worry about that. The Navy and RAF are our first and last line of defence. And that second link Is it comprehension or reading that you have a problem with? The UK's total air capacity consists of 879 aircraft, with 91 fighters, 168 fixed-wing attack aircraft, 348 helicopters, with 337 aircraft for transport, and 330 for training. Russia has 3,547 aircraft, with 751 fighters, 1,438 fixed-wing attack aircraft, 1,237 helicopters, with 1,124 and 370 transport and trainer aircraft. Britain has a total fleet of 76 craft, consisting of 13 frigates, 6 destroyers, 10 submarines, 18 coastal defence craft, and 15 craft for mine warfare. No aircraft carriers are currently in service, Russia stacks up with a total naval strength of 352 craft, including 1 Aircraft Carrier, 4 Frigates, 15 Destroyers, 31 Corvettes, 60 subs,
Beechey Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 4 minutes ago, Buce said: Is it comprehension or reading that you have a problem with? The UK's total air capacity consists of 879 aircraft, with 91 fighters, 168 fixed-wing attack aircraft, 348 helicopters, with 337 aircraft for transport, and 330 for training. Russia has 3,547 aircraft, with 751 fighters, 1,438 fixed-wing attack aircraft, 1,237 helicopters, with 1,124 and 370 transport and trainer aircraft. Britain has a total fleet of 76 craft, consisting of 13 frigates, 6 destroyers, 10 submarines, 18 coastal defence craft, and 15 craft for mine warfare. No aircraft carriers are currently in service, Russia stacks up with a total naval strength of 352 craft, including 1 Aircraft Carrier, 4 Frigates, 15 Destroyers, 31 Corvettes, 60 subs, Christ almighty stop just reading the headline. Tell me, how many Russian aircraft have a combat range of 1,500 miles? Even your naval numbers show their weakness, they depend entirely on submarines. Their Corvette force is laughable, and their aircraft carrier can hardly deploy. Two of their ships have burst into flames this year alone at port Missile technology is their real strength, if you want to scare people, show them that. Maybe before insulting people you should read it for yourself. Silly.
Buce Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, Beechey said: Christ almighty stop just reading the headline. Tell me, how many Russian aircraft have a combat range of 1,500 miles? Even your naval numbers show their weakness, they depend entirely on submarines. Their Corvette force is laughable, and their aircraft carrier can hardly deploy. Two of their ships have burst into flames this year alone at port Missile technology is their real strength, if you want to scare people, show them that. Maybe before insulting people you should read it for yourself. Silly. I really would stop digging if I were you, you're just making yourself look foolish.
Beechey Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 21 minutes ago, Buce said: I really would stop digging if I were you, you're just making yourself look foolish. Okay mate. Go back to bed. Maybe you shouldn't challenge people on something you're utterly clueless about. I'm no genius but this is basic level knowledge. The fact you can't even comprehend that is quite showing. Russian fighter aircraft physically cannot reach us, they cannot refuel in the air. Their surface fleet is a laughing stock. The Type 31e will almost certainly be comparable to the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate, the Type 45s are definitely more capable than any of their surface vessels, that's before even looking at the Type 26s or QE-class carriers. Their only real threat (as a matter of policy, even as the USSR they knew they could not compete on the surface) as I've stated is their submarine force and missile forces. That's it.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 We need James Bond, he would never stand for this kind of shit! On another note thankfully Russian Aircraft and Airlines are not exactly renowned for their reliability.
Buce Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 1 hour ago, Foxin_mad said: We need James Bond, he would never stand for this kind of shit! On another note thankfully Russian Aircraft and Airlines are not exactly renowned for their reliability. Sometime around 1980, I took a cheap flight to India with Aeroflot - I have never been so scared in my life. I swear it was this one:
yorkie1999 Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 I wouldn't worry, it's only when we start expelling russian diplomats that the shit will hit the fan.
foxy boxing Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 First Litvenenko, where they used radioactive material and now this where they are using nerve agents. not only does the Kremlin want to eliminate these people but they also want to put the fear of death on others who have sanctuary here. they don't give a damn about anything other than getting rid of those who have betrayed them and they will do anything to do it. the governments response after Litvenenko was pathetic when it was clear who was responsible after all they could trace the radioactive material to who it was and there needed to be a firmer response then and so the Russians seem to be killing at will whoever they want dead in this country. they clearly have a vast spying network here and let's also remember they targeted London 2012 with most of there athletes doping. Putin sees this country as very much a soft touch ally of America where it can interfere and do whatever it wants and it is a really scary situation,
Beechey Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 PM starting her statement right now if anyone wants to tune in on BBC2.
Rocket-Ron Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 4 hours ago, Buce said: Is it comprehension or reading that you have a problem with? The UK's total air capacity consists of 879 aircraft, with 91 fighters, 168 fixed-wing attack aircraft, 348 helicopters, with 337 aircraft for transport, and 330 for training. Russia has 3,547 aircraft, with 751 fighters, 1,438 fixed-wing attack aircraft, 1,237 helicopters, with 1,124 and 370 transport and trainer aircraft. Britain has a total fleet of 76 craft, consisting of 13 frigates, 6 destroyers, 10 submarines, 18 coastal defence craft, and 15 craft for mine warfare. No aircraft carriers are currently in service, Russia stacks up with a total naval strength of 352 craft, including 1 Aircraft Carrier, 4 Frigates, 15 Destroyers, 31 Corvettes, 60 subs, Did you not see that aircraft carrier that passed through the channel the other month?
Beechey Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 23 of 58 Russian diplomats to be expelled UK to urgently prepare new powers to detain people suspected of hostile state activity at UK border Possible new counter espionage powers UK suspending all high-level contact with the Russian Federation Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov invitation to UK has been revoked No ministers or Royal Family member to go to World Cup
Fox 4 Life Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said: I wouldn't worry, it's only when we start expelling russian diplomats that the shit will hit the fan.
Fox 4 Life Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 As much as I dislike May I am glad she is standing up to Putin, they rule more like a crime syndicate than a country and the blatant disregard for everyone else is obvious to see. Trump won't stand up to them and allows Putin to act with impunity, we might not get anywhere but at least we aren't laying down and turning a blind eye to their actions.
bovril Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 Wtf is a top spy doing eating in Zizzi. Hardly le Carre is it.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 4 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said: As much as I dislike May I am glad she is standing up to Putin, they rule more like a crime syndicate than a country and the blatant disregard for everyone else is obvious to see. Trump won't stand up to them and allows Putin to act with impunity, we might not get anywhere but at least we aren't laying down and turning a blind eye to their actions. This is not a display of strength. I dont know why people are so happy to bring the cold war back. I know James Bond is s**t now, I suppose if we have another cold war it might make him more relevant and the films will start to make sense again
Strokes Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 1 minute ago, bovril said: Wtf is a top spy doing eating in Zizzi. Hardly le Carre is it. Part of being a spy is not being where you expect them.
Fox 4 Life Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 25 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: This is not a display of strength. I dont know why people are so happy to bring the cold war back. I know James Bond is s**t now, I suppose if we have another cold war it might make him more relevant and the films will start to make sense again Putin continually denies government involvement in Crimea, eastern Ukraine, and executions of expats on foreign soil, they operate like a stateless force and it's about time we make sanctions against the oligarchs who make and implement much of Russian policy. Time to seize their UK assets and show them they can't just do what they like at the expense of everyone else. Putin is not stupid enough to reignite the cold war, NATO and others would back the UK in any situation and he knows that.
sm1 Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 45 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: This is not a display of strength. I dont know why people are so happy to bring the cold war back. I know James Bond is s**t now, I suppose if we have another cold war it might make him more relevant and the films will start to make sense again Exactly. According to the protocol set out in the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention, which has 165 signatories including the UK and Russia, a joint investigation must be held before any blame can be apportioned. When the Russians asked for a sample of the nerve agent and a joint investigation, they were ignored. Infact they were given a 24hr ultimatum to confess. Jeremy Corbyn broached this subject after May's speech, and asked whether we had given the Russians a sample, but was roundly heckled and booed. May just ignored the question in her response as did the media. Just a word of caution to those happy at the new cold war. This was the kind of things happening during the previous one. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-the-british-government-subjected-thousands-of-people-to-chemical-and-biological-warfare-trials-10376411.html Ironically Salisbury was one of the places subjected to Chemical attack via Porton Down Lab, by the British government.
CarbonVirtine Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 1 hour ago, bovril said: Wtf is a top spy doing eating in Zizzi. In fairness, they do quite a good salad nicoise.
SMX11 Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 12 minutes ago, sm1 said: Exactly. According to the protocol set out in the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention, which has 165 signatories including the UK and Russia, a joint investigation must be held before any blame can be apportioned. When the Russians asked for a sample of the nerve agent and a joint investigation, they were ignored. Infact they were given a 24hr ultimatum to confess. Jeremy Corbyn broached this subject after May's speech, and asked whether we had given the Russians a sample, but was roundly heckled and booed. May just ignored the question in her response as did the media. Just a word of caution to those happy at the new cold war. This was the kind of things happening during the previous one. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-the-british-government-subjected-thousands-of-people-to-chemical-and-biological-warfare-trials-10376411.html Ironically Salisbury was one of the places subjected to Chemical attack via Porton Down Lab, by the British government. Agreed, the whole ignoring of international protocals does concern me about the actual conclusions from the government. The media need to do their jobs and press this point and not talk about our imposed ultimatum.
maynefox Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 12 minutes ago, sm1 said: Exactly. According to the protocol set out in the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention, which has 165 signatories including the UK and Russia, a joint investigation must be held before any blame can be apportioned. When the Russians asked for a sample of the nerve agent and a joint investigation, they were ignored. Infact they were given a 24hr ultimatum to confess. Jeremy Corbyn broached this subject after May's speech, and asked whether we had given the Russians a sample, but was roundly heckled and booed. May just ignored the question in her response as did the media. Just a word of caution to those happy at the new cold war. This was the kind of things happening during the previous one. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-the-british-government-subjected-thousands-of-people-to-chemical-and-biological-warfare-trials-10376411.html Ironically Salisbury was one of the places subjected to Chemical attack via Porton Down Lab, by the British government. "errr yes, can we have our nerve agent back so we can ... errr have a look at what we produced ... and err ... maybe disregard the evidence?" Serious question. Do you think there is any legitimacy in giving back the nerve agent to Moscow and to be never seen again? Perhaps take a look at the mendacious, dishonest MH17 Almazy Antey press conference and then think why we wouldn't hold a joint investigation with them. Countless times the Russian Federation has failed to supply flight radar information the The Netherlands over MH17 (as required by the ICAO). Only years later to hand it over where it has clearly been tampered with. So, why do you not think we would want to hold a joint investigation with them? The nerve agent should be given to the UN branch that deals with chemical and biological weapons. Although that might not even happen if it goes to a UNSC vote!?
Buce Posted 14 March 2018 Posted 14 March 2018 https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=wz-pWpTlO82WkwXS4JPICA&q=sample&oq=sample&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0i131k1j0l9.1070.2824.0.5438.7.6.0.0.0.0.184.1032.0j6.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.6.1028.0...0.LK4lBwP7x0o 6 minutes ago, maynefox said: "errr yes, can we have our nerve agent back so we can ... errr have a look at what we produced ... and err ... maybe disregard the evidence?" Serious question. Do you think there is any legitimacy in giving back the nerve agent to Moscow and to be never seen again? Perhaps take a look at the mendacious, dishonest MH17 Almazy Antey press conference and then think why we wouldn't hold a joint investigation with them. Countless times the Russian Federation has failed to supply flight radar information the The Netherlands over MH17 (as required by the ICAO). Only years later to hand it over where it has clearly been tampered with. So, why do you not think we would want to hold a joint investigation with them? The nerve agent should be given to the UN branch that deals with chemical and biological weapons. Although that might not even happen if it goes to a UNSC vote!? 4 You seem to be confused as to what 'sample' means: Sample noun noun: sample; plural noun: samples 1. a small part or quantity intended to show what the whole is like.
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