Salisbury, Skripal, Poison and Russia.

[lifted*fox]

I 100% think we need absolute guaranteed proof that it's Russia and should follow the rules and give them a sample. 

 

BUT...

 

It's obviously ****ing Russia.

 

Putin is trolling the world like a ****ing pro right now. He's doing what he wants, when he wants and he's one step ahead of everyone else on the war-train - pulling the world apart through digital warfare. 

 

Guy is a cvnt but you've got to give him credit tbf. 

 

I think it's ****ed up how ordinary people have to suffer at the idiocy of people in charge of countries. next man on the street doesn't want to have to worry about nuclear war on top of everything else.

 

it's all ****ed up.

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said:

I thought there is a sikh regiment.

Not in the the British Army.  Under the British though they have 10 Victoria crosses more then any colony

 

Indian has a Sikh regiment, which is the elite and most decorated service.

 

There has been many analysis by many on soldier ability, basically Sikhs are the equivalent of gurkhas., The Sikhs are in the top 10 UNESCO of battles, for a population of a few million that is impressive

 

 

[lifted*fox]

I saw some stuff about Sikh soldiers in WW1 when I visited Verdun recently. 

 

Recent comments in this thread reminded me of how badass I thought they looked:

 

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, lifted*fox said:

 

Guy is a cvnt but you've got to give him credit tbf. 

 

 

No ...   I will not give him credit for anything ...   he is a grade A evil cvnt of the first order and because of this evil cvnt people are dying as we speak.   We have to squeeze Russia ..   squeeze it’s people, until they do something about it  ...    or more likely ...   wait till he pegs it and someone with some semblance of humanity takes over ..

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

I saw some stuff about Sikh soldiers in WW1 when I visited Verdun recently. 

 

Recent comments in this thread reminded me of how badass I thought they looked:

 

That picture was in France, its sad however, these soldiers were gladly with there turbans allowed to service France, but today Sikhs with turbans cannot even attend government schools , public buildings etc.

 

If these soldiers were aware of this, would they have caught?

[Countryfox]

4 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

I saw some stuff about Sikh soldiers in WW1 when I visited Verdun recently. 

 

Recent comments in this thread reminded me of how badass I thought they looked:

 

 

Bloody hell ! ...   is that Pankhurst about to throw herself under them ! ...

[lifted*fox]

1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said:

That picture was in France, its sad however, these soldiers were gladly with there turbans allowed to service France, but today Sikhs with turbans cannot even attend government schools , public buildings etc.

 

If these soldiers were aware of this, would they have caught?

 

unfortunately dude we persecute many races today who fought for their country in WW1 and WW2. 

 

it's ****ing disgusting.

[yorkie1999]

Just now, Countryfox said:

 

No ...   I will not give him credit for anything ...   he is a grade A evil cvnt of the first order and because of this evil cvnt people are dying as we speak.   We have to squeeze Russia ..   squeeze it’s people, until they do something about it  ...    or more likely ...   wait till he pegs it and someone with some semblance of humanity takes over ..

And yet, we're all still happily going to go there and watch a football match and spend lots of money.

[Countryfox]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

And yet, we're all still happily going to go there and watch a football match and spend lots of money.

 

Not me mate.

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Bloody hell ! ...   is that Pankhurst about to throw herself under them ! ...

She wanted to shag him, silly

[Countryfox]

Just now, Dr The Singh said:

She wanted to shag him, silly

My mistake Doc ..   

[yorkie1999]

Just now, Countryfox said:

 

Not me mate.

Maybe so, but not as a protest against Putin.

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

I 100% think we need absolute guaranteed proof that it's Russia and should follow the rules and give them a sample. 

 

BUT...

 

It's obviously ****ing Russia.

 

Putin is trolling the world like a ****ing pro right now. He's doing what he wants, when he wants and he's one step ahead of everyone else on the war-train - pulling the world apart through digital warfare. 

 

Guy is a cvnt but you've got to give him credit tbf. 

 

I think it's ****ed up how ordinary people have to suffer at the idiocy of people in charge of countries. next man on the street doesn't want to have to worry about nuclear war on top of everything else.

 

it's all ****ed up.

4

Add "and their blatant disregard for the future" after "countries" in the middle of that sentence and no truer a word has been spoken.

[Countryfox]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

Maybe so, but not as a protest against Putin.

There’s not much I can do tbh  ....   after all he is one of the most powerful and certainly the richest man on the planet ...    but I can call him a cvnt !!    Probably get poisoned but who cares ...   

[Buce]

24 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Not me mate.

 

Didn't you go there last year?

[Countryfox]

Just now, Buce said:

 

Didn't you go there last year?

 

Correct  Bucey ...    as part of a Baltic cruise we visited St Petersburg...    it was very interesting and informative about how the people viewed their beloved leader ...

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

 

Correct  Bucey ...    as part of a Baltic cruise we visited St Petersburg...    it was very interesting and informative about how the people viewed their beloved leader ...

 

What did they have to say?

[Countryfox]

Just now, Buce said:

 

What did they have to say?

 

Youll have to find it mate ..   I gave Alf a thorough report ...   in a word, even though the man I spoke to was quite intelligent ...    brainwashed.

[Buce]

 

A former British Ambassador casts doubt on nerve gas claims:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/15/uks-claims-questioned-doubts-emerge-about-source-of-salisburys-novichok

 

UK's claims questioned: doubts emerge about source of Salisbury's novichok

A ceremony to mark the destruction of Russia’s stock of chemical weapons may have been held too soon

 

It was a historic moment largely ignored at the time by most of the world’s media and might have remained so but for the attack in Salisbury. At a ceremony last November at the headquarters of the world body responsible for the elimination of chemical weapons in The Hague, a plaque was unveiled to commemorate the destruction of the last of Russia’s stockpiles.

Gen Ahmet Üzümcü, the director general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which works closely with the UN, was fulsome in his praise. “This is a major achievement,” he said. The 192-member body had seemingly overseen and verified the destruction Russia’s entire stock of chemical weapons, all 39,967 metric tons.

The question now is whether all of Russia’s chemical weapons were destroyed and accounted for. Theresa May – having identified the nerve agent used in the Salisbury attack as novichok, developed in Russia – told the Commons on Wednesday that Russia had offered no explanation as to why it had “an undeclared chemical weapons programme in contravention of international law”. Jeremy Corbyn introduced a sceptical note, questioning whether there was any evidence as to the location of its production.

 

The exchanges provoked a debate echoing the one that preceded the 2003 invasion of Iraq over whether UN weapons inspectors had overseen the destruction of all the weapons of mass destruction in the country or whether Saddam Hussein had retained secret hidden caches.

On social media, there were arguments that the novichok could have come from some part of the former Soviet Union other than Russia, such as Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan or Ukraine, or some non-state group, maybe criminals.

The years following the fall of the Berlin Wall were chaotic, with chemical weapons laboratories and storage sites across the Soviet Union abandoned by staff who were no longer being paid. Security was almost non-existent, leaving the sites at the mercy of criminal gangs or disenchanted staff looking to supplement their income.

 

“Could somebody have smuggled something out?” Amy Smithson, a US-based biological and chemical weapons expert, said to Reuters. “I certainly wouldn’t rule that possibility out, especially a small amount and particularly in view of how lax the security was at Russian chemical facilities in the early 1990s.”

It took almost a decade before order was restored, in part through stockpiles being transferred to Russia from other parts of the former Soviet Union and in part through help from US and other western experts.

Novichok was developed at a laboratory complex in Shikhany, in central Russia, according to a British weapons expert, Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, and a Russian chemist involved in the chemical weapons programme, Vil Mirzayanov, who later defected to the US. Mirzayanov said the novichok was tested at Nukus, in Uzbekistan.

 

The former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, who visited the site at Nukus, said it had been dismantled with US help. He is among those advocating scepticism about the UK placing blame on Russia.

In a blog post, he wrote: “The same people who assured you Saddam Hussein had WMDs now assure you Russian ‘novichok’ nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil.”

A Russian lawyer, Boris Kuznetsov, told Reuters he was offering to pass to the British authorities a file he said might be relevant to the Salisbury case. It details an incident when poison hidden in a phone receiver killed a Russian banker and his secretary in 1995. The poison came from an employee at the state chemical facility who sold it through intermediaries – in an ampule placed in a presentation case – to help reduce his debts.

The UK government case rests not just on its argument that novichok was developed in Russia, but what it says is past form, a record of Russian state-sponsored assassination of former spies.

Murray, in a phone interview, is undeterred, determined to challenge the government line, in spite of having been subjected to a level of abuse on social media he had not experienced before.

“There is no evidence it was Russia. I am not ruling out that it could be Russia, though I don’t see the motive. I want to see where the evidence lies,” Murray said. “Anyone who expresses scepticism is seen as an enemy of the state.”

[Dr The Singh]

41 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

 

unfortunately dude we persecute many races today who fought for their country in WW1 and WW2. 

 

it's ****ing disgusting.

There is nobody on here and any forum that will want to to discuss that.

 

We all want to ignore our sins

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

A former British Ambassador casts doubt on nerve gas claims:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/15/uks-claims-questioned-doubts-emerge-about-source-of-salisburys-novichok

 

UK's claims questioned: doubts emerge about source of Salisbury's novichok

A ceremony to mark the destruction of Russia’s stock of chemical weapons may have been held too soon

 

It was a historic moment largely ignored at the time by most of the world’s media and might have remained so but for the attack in Salisbury. At a ceremony last November at the headquarters of the world body responsible for the elimination of chemical weapons in The Hague, a plaque was unveiled to commemorate the destruction of the last of Russia’s stockpiles.

Gen Ahmet Üzümcü, the director general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which works closely with the UN, was fulsome in his praise. “This is a major achievement,” he said. The 192-member body had seemingly overseen and verified the destruction Russia’s entire stock of chemical weapons, all 39,967 metric tons.

The question now is whether all of Russia’s chemical weapons were destroyed and accounted for. Theresa May – having identified the nerve agent used in the Salisbury attack as novichok, developed in Russia – told the Commons on Wednesday that Russia had offered no explanation as to why it had “an undeclared chemical weapons programme in contravention of international law”. Jeremy Corbyn introduced a sceptical note, questioning whether there was any evidence as to the location of its production.

 

The exchanges provoked a debate echoing the one that preceded the 2003 invasion of Iraq over whether UN weapons inspectors had overseen the destruction of all the weapons of mass destruction in the country or whether Saddam Hussein had retained secret hidden caches.

On social media, there were arguments that the novichok could have come from some part of the former Soviet Union other than Russia, such as Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan or Ukraine, or some non-state group, maybe criminals.

The years following the fall of the Berlin Wall were chaotic, with chemical weapons laboratories and storage sites across the Soviet Union abandoned by staff who were no longer being paid. Security was almost non-existent, leaving the sites at the mercy of criminal gangs or disenchanted staff looking to supplement their income.

 

“Could somebody have smuggled something out?” Amy Smithson, a US-based biological and chemical weapons expert, said to Reuters. “I certainly wouldn’t rule that possibility out, especially a small amount and particularly in view of how lax the security was at Russian chemical facilities in the early 1990s.”

It took almost a decade before order was restored, in part through stockpiles being transferred to Russia from other parts of the former Soviet Union and in part through help from US and other western experts.

Novichok was developed at a laboratory complex in Shikhany, in central Russia, according to a British weapons expert, Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, and a Russian chemist involved in the chemical weapons programme, Vil Mirzayanov, who later defected to the US. Mirzayanov said the novichok was tested at Nukus, in Uzbekistan.

 

The former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, who visited the site at Nukus, said it had been dismantled with US help. He is among those advocating scepticism about the UK placing blame on Russia.

In a blog post, he wrote: “The same people who assured you Saddam Hussein had WMDs now assure you Russian ‘novichok’ nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil.”

A Russian lawyer, Boris Kuznetsov, told Reuters he was offering to pass to the British authorities a file he said might be relevant to the Salisbury case. It details an incident when poison hidden in a phone receiver killed a Russian banker and his secretary in 1995. The poison came from an employee at the state chemical facility who sold it through intermediaries – in an ampule placed in a presentation case – to help reduce his debts.

The UK government case rests not just on its argument that novichok was developed in Russia, but what it says is past form, a record of Russian state-sponsored assassination of former spies.

Murray, in a phone interview, is undeterred, determined to challenge the government line, in spite of having been subjected to a level of abuse on social media he had not experienced before.

“There is no evidence it was Russia. I am not ruling out that it could be Russia, though I don’t see the motive. I want to see where the evidence lies,” Murray said. “Anyone who expresses scepticism is seen as an enemy of the state.”

Not going to start any wars with "considerations" like that. Bin.

[Erinjack]

On 14/03/2018 at 19:24, Buce said:

 

Running off at the mouth again from behind your monitor? At least we've established who the keyboard warrior is.

 

Get back to me when you grow a spine.

I'm sorry but I really think you are quite a nasty individual. I do not post too much on the forum but observe it almost everyday. I recall you being rather cold hearted to me when I posted on the depression forum. Sort your shit out, you're not the big I am you seem to think you are.

[Buce]

29 minutes ago, Erinjack said:

I'm sorry but I really think you are quite a nasty individual. I do not post too much on the forum but observe it almost everyday. I recall you being rather cold hearted to me when I posted on the depression forum. Sort your shit out, you're not the big I am you seem to think you are.

 

Well done - that must have taken a lot of courage, sweetie. 

 

Now get yourself back to bed before mummy finds out you’ve been playing on the internet again. 

[Erinjack]

49 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Well done - that must have taken a lot of courage, sweetie. 

 

Now get yourself back to bed before mummy finds out you’ve been playing on the internet again. 

and you go on about somebody else being a keyboard warrior. I'l meet you for a drink.

[Vardinio'sCat]

2 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

There have been many people that have asked for a Sikh regiment including top army officials, the royals etc, to.some race and equality thing there can't be one, maybe with your great perception and powers, you can make that happen?

 

But we have the Gurkha's, can we not have a similar set up? With equal rights and wages though, although maybe the gurkha's finally got that (excuse my ignorance).

 

I know the Sikh's have a fearsome reputation stretching way back.