International Mens Day

[urban.spaceman]

 

16 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Good question.

 

TBH I'd go with offering advice to people about how to keep themselves safe but all that really does is say "rob/rape/assault the other less protected person". It might help reduce the number of such instances which is, of course, good but it doesn't actually do much to make the general environment safer - that only comes with reducing the number of such people who will do such things in the first place.

 

And I certainly wouldn't offer such advice to someone who has recently been the victim of a violent attack of some kind - some people call it tough love, I call it being an unempathetic ****.

There is definitely a fine line between good advice and victim blaming and those two cases are excellent examples. What a woman is wearing is never relevant in a rape or assault case and should not be used as evidence against her.

 

However, there is something to be said about the earphones comment by that police force; the general advice was to be more aware of your surroundings and not to make yourself more vulnerable to an attack. Which is ****ing good advice if you ask me. 4 of my flatmates got robbed at gunpoint 3 doors down from our house in Cape Town while on the way home from the pub - a 5 minute journey we’d done countless times and one that I’d done alone just an hour earlier. So instead we’d get a taxi everywhere at night, even round the corner.

 

We don’t live in a perfect world sadly so not making yourself vulnerable is surely common sense?

[Carl the Llama]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/19/mother-teenager-took-life-rape-trial-appalled-girls-thong-used/

 

It was, though again I guess as a defence lawyer you have to have a certain moral flexibility to do your job.

Yeah nah even if you want to go the  "her clothes mean she was asking for it" route, which is bad enough already, humiliating a person like that is utterly appalling. I hope karma has a good word with that lawyer.

[leicsmac]

30 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

 

 

 

Honest question, how do you recommend this is achieved Mac?

 

I've seen this said before but I don't see how, in the same vein of reducing murderers, its a particularly achievable goal.

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That's the million-dollar question, really - how it can be done, and if indeed it can be done at all.

 

Sadly I've no idea, nor if it is indeed possible beyond an idealistic standpoint - though I think education and better methods of weeding out those who choose to be violent in such ways (I don't buy for a second that it's inherent) might be a start.

 

26 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

There is definitely a fine line between good advice and victim blaming and those two cases are excellent examples. What a woman is wearing is never relevant in a rape or assault case and should not be used as evidence against her.

 

However, there is something to be said about the earphones comment by that police force; the general advice was to be more aware of your surroundings and not to make yourself more vulnerable to an attack. Which is ****ing good advice if you ask me. 4 of my flatmates got robbed at gunpoint 3 doors down from our house in Cape Town while on the way home from the pub - a 5 minute journey we’d done countless times and one that I’d done alone just an hour earlier. So instead we’d get a taxi everywhere at night, even round the corner.

 

We don’t live in a perfect world sadly so not making yourself vulnerable is surely common sense?

Yeah, totally agree with this. Perhaps do both - offer advice, but seek methods to at least try to make it so that one day that advice is no longer necessary.

 

23 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Yeah nah even if you want to go the  "her clothes mean she was asking for it" route, which is bad enough already, humiliating a person like that is utterly appalling. I hope karma has a good word with that lawyer.

I would hope so too. However, I think what that lawyer did is simply a reflection of what passes in societal discussion - if it wasn't, he wouldn't have used that defence at all as he knew that it wouldn't convince a jury.

[Suzie the Fox]

Don't really go much into these international whatever days.. be it men, women, children or animals. 

 

Just my thoughts. 

 

[H.a.r.r.y]

just find it odd how some people expect equal rights and claim for these 'equal' rights, yet they go back on themselves instantly by caring more about a certain gender and their issues and disregard the opposite gender's 

[Countryfox]

1 hour ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Don't really go much into these international whatever days.. be it men, women, children or animals. 

 

Just my thoughts. 

 

 

Are you a man ?? ... no !! ...   so clear off, and let us discuss our day ...   Thank you.   

[Countryfox]

I don't go in for these international whatever days ...    loada tripe.  

[Max Wall]

3 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

I don't go in for these international whatever days ...    loada tripe.  

You do know that's the campaign buzz phrase for international tripe day right?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

I'm a big advocate of equal opportunities.

 

I think it's great, for example, that Jodie Whitaker has shown that Doctor Who can be just as crap with a female lead as it can with a male lead.

[Corky]

16 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

There does seem to have been a slightly bigger fuss for it this year, at least on social media, with more and more people starting to take men’s issues more seriously. Which they should. The biggest killer or men under 45 is suicide. Men need help too so it’s good that there’s a bit of focus on these issues for once. 

 

 

Its just a shame that there’s still the usual suspects like Buzzfeed who are comfortable posting such misandrist filth. They complain about toxic masculinity yet they’re just as toxic themselves. 

The problem is that these days or movements get highlighted by prats like Piers Morgan and his faux woe is me, men are so hard done by with trivial issues so it gets dismissed. 

[Suzie the Fox]

1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

 

Are you a man ?? ... no !! ...   so clear off, and let us discuss our day ...   Thank you.   

LOL... Depends on who you ask... 

 

*runs off and hides before getting banned again* 

[Mike Oxlong]

You gotta fight 

For the right 

To leave the toilet seat up

occasionally 

[H.a.r.r.y]

@ealingfox what's confusing you?

[urban.spaceman]

3 hours ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

I'm a big advocate of equal opportunities.

 

I think it's great, for example, that Jodie Whitaker has shown that Doctor Who can be just as crap with a female lead as it can with a male lead.

Have been bloody enjoying it personally. 

[Vlad the Fox]

3 hours ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

I'm a big advocate of equal opportunities.

 

I think it's great, for example, that Jodie Whitaker has shown that Doctor Who can be just as crap with a female lead as it can with a male lead.

I don't mind doctor who, kind of links me to my Childhood. But I bet there was an Internet shitstorm somewhere from die hards when they announced a female doctor, would have loved to have read that for a good laugh on a quiet night.

[Finnaldo]

28 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Have been bloody enjoying it personally. 

 

Best it’s been since Tennant in my opinion.

[chuck'em]

Came in to make a Richard Herring joke. Had a quick read of page 1. Doesn't seem appropriate now