Formation

[smr]

Much as I like Wilf and Mendy I'd drop them and put Hamza in as DM. 

 

What do you think to this team?

 

 

[les-tah]

Hamza is good but if you want someone to sit in front of the back 4 and just break up attacks there is no better player than ndidi. The reason he stands out as a poor performer because he is expected to do more going forward as he doesnt have the talent by his side.

[RoboFox]

I had to double check the numbers there. Somehow looks like there's about 15 players in that side.

[urban.spaceman]

I don’t mean to be trivial but the white bits on the shirts are annoying me. 

[Nick]

9 minutes ago, smr said:

Much as I like Wilf and Mendy I'd drop them and put Hamza in as DM. 

 

What do you think to this team?

 

 

I’ve been saying this for about 14 months, however as good as Hamza is, that’s actually the role Ndidi would thrive at.

 

Iborra would have been the player to sit in front of the back four like that with Silva in front but Puel wouldn’t play that formation then when imo he had have the personnel and the opportunity so I’m not sure he’ll try it now. Hope he does though but I think he spends most of his alone time in a dark room murmuring over and over again, “Double pivot or flat 3, double pivot or flat three...” then has to go shower off the arousal.

 

 

 

[smr]

I just think Hamza can pick a pass better than Wilf and has better ball control, I'm not against having Wilf in that position though, he's great at intercepting, breaking up play and tackling, but his control and first touch is a bit calamitous for some reason recently, and his ball distribution is frustrating at times. Hamza looks assured with all of these attributes from what I've seen of him. He really is a class player.

[Izzy]

8 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I don’t mean to be trivial but the white bits on the shirts are annoying me. 

They're wings to help us fly up the table 

[hackneyfox]

I don't think we've seen enough of Hamza to be jumping to conclusions about just how good his break up play and passing is.

 

I think Ndidi would be better for the role.

 

Would prefer

Schmeichel

Ricardo Maguire Evans Chilwell

 Hamza Ndidi

Tielemans

Barnes Vardy Maddison

 

[urban.spaceman]

6 minutes ago, Izzy said:

They're wings to help us fly up the table 

Knew that ****ing pigeon had something to do with it.

[Nick]

9 minutes ago, smr said:

I just think Hamza can pick a pass better than Wilf and has better ball control, I'm not against having Wilf in that position though, he's great at intercepting, breaking up play and tackling, but his control and first touch is a bit calamitous for some reason recently, and his ball distribution is frustrating at times. Hamza looks assured with all of these attributes from what I've seen of him. He really is a class player.

True but in that solitary position Hamza would be his understudy... it’s not all about the passing in that role and Ndidi currently eclipses all other options when it comes to breaking up play.

 

Its actually not far off what might happen in a 4231 anyway if we expect YT to be the playmaker taking the ball upfield.

[KrefelderFox666]

10 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

I don't think we've seen enough of Hamza to be jumping to conclusions about just how good his break up play and passing is.

 

I think Ndidi would be better for the role.

 

Would prefer

Schmeichel

Ricardo Maguire Evans maddison

 Hamza Ndidi

Tielemans

Barnes Vardy Maddison

 

I assume Maddison at LB is Chilwell. As the rest of the team is normal positions and you mention Maddison again.

[hackneyfox]

1 minute ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I assume Maddison at LB is Chilwell. As the rest of the team is normal positions and you mention Maddison again.

Cheers, I've sorted it.

[foxes21]

54 minutes ago, les-tah said:

Hamza is good but if you want someone to sit in front of the back 4 and just break up attacks there is no better player than ndidi. The reason he stands out as a poor performer because he is expected to do more going forward as he doesnt have the talent by his side.

Does Ndidi have the positional awareness to play that role though? Can he stick to one area of the pitch and command that area?? I don't think he just gets forward because he's being asked to, he gets forward because its a natural part of his game, he wants to be running around everywhere. 

 

[RowlattsFox]

I don't think Ndidi is a traditional 'sit in front of the back 4' type of defensive midfielder, he is a ball winner who gets around the pitch making tackles often vacating the midfield to do so. Problem is I think Hamza is similar but may be more disciplined. Mendy is the one who is supposed to protect the defence but he doesn't always do it well. 

 

I don't necessarily think the formation is wrong. 4 attacking players and 2 attacking full backs should be enough to create something. Problem is the front 4 create next to **** all apart from the odd moment, Vardy struggles with the link up play and Maddison doesn't control possession enough like a good number 10 should and drops too deep to get the ball. Whilst Ndidi/Mendy/Anyone else doesn't help themselves with their passing at times I do feel a little sympathy for them.

 

Fact is front 4 need to offer more.  

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 hour ago, les-tah said:

Hamza is good but if you want someone to sit in front of the back 4 and just break up attacks there is no better player than ndidi. The reason he stands out as a poor performer because he is expected to do more going forward as he doesnt have the talent by his side.

The problem with Ndidi is his first touch and passing are poor. If he could sort that, he'd be a much better player. 

[Nick]

14 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

I don't think Ndidi is a traditional 'sit in front of the back 4' type of defensive midfielder, he is a ball winner who gets around the pitch making tackles often vacating the midfield to do so. Problem is I think Hamza is similar but may be more disciplined. Mendy is the one who is supposed to protect the defence but he doesn't always do it well. 

 

I don't necessarily think the formation is wrong. 4 attacking players and 2 attacking full backs should be enough to create something. Problem is the front 4 create next to **** all apart from the odd moment, Vardy struggles with the link up play and Maddison doesn't control possession enough like a good number 10 should and drops too deep to get the ball. Whilst Ndidi/Mendy/Anyone else doesn't help themselves with their passing at times I do feel a little sympathy for them.

 

Fact is front 4 need to offer more.  

I think that’s a fair argument but for me the ball is down one wing or the other and this happens late, ie far down the line and then it’s triangles until somebody gets the ball into the box or makes a run... and repeat.

 

We have nothing down the middle because we haven’t got central midfielders or defensive ones that can pass and move with any creative pace or vision. Maybe YT is the missing link, somebody that’s immediately head up and finding players in space making forward runs.

[Xen]

4-2-3-1 seems to be the way forward for us, imo. We've not had the best results recently but that's primarily down to a lack of clinical finishing (we're creating more chances recently) and some major mistakes in midfield. 4-3-3 makes us more solid with the extra DM, but then we look even less likely to score.

 

Mendy/Ndidi isn't working, that much is clear. They're both being asked to be defensive midfielders and create, which suits neither of them and causes confusion. If we switch to one DM and one more creative CM (Tielemans) I think we'll be more well-rounded. Specific roles for specific players avoids confusion, avoids errors, and should make us more of a threat going forward, too. My choice would be Hamza/YT against Spurs to give Ndidi a rest, then possibly bring him in ahead of Hamza. Mendy has to move down to 4th choice.

[Xen]

4 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

The problem with Ndidi is his first touch and passing are poor. If he could sort that, he'd be a much better player. 

He doesn't necessarily need to sort that. Even Kanté wasn't the most creative player. Pair him up with someone who does do that and let Ndidi focus on winning the ball and giving it to his teammate (as in the Kanté/DD partnership) and I think his game will flourish.

 

Fingers crossed YT can live up to the expectations.

[Fox92]

I've never been a fan of one up front.

 

Even more so when the two central midfielders are so negative they can't do anything but pass sideways or back.

[RowlattsFox]

5 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

I think that’s a fair argument but for me the ball is down one wing or the other and this happens late, ie far down the line and then it’s triangles until somebody gets the ball into the box or makes a run... and repeat.

 

We have nothing down the middle because we haven’t got central midfielders or defensive ones that can pass and move with any creative pace or vision. Maybe YT is the missing link, somebody that’s immediately head up and finding players in space making forward runs.

The front 4 a very static in their positions, might be by instruction from the manager I don't know, but often there is very little movement in front of midfielder, particularly against a packed defence. Even when Maguire strolls into midfield he has to turn around or chip it out to Chilwell because he has nothing on in front of him. A lot of that is down to the play being too slow but its also down to the lack of options and attempts to find space. Vardy is the worse this season for pretty much marking himself unless a counter attack is on. 

 

Hopefully Tielemans is the missing link. 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

13 minutes ago, Xen said:

He doesn't necessarily need to sort that. Even Kanté wasn't the most creative player. Pair him up with someone who does do that and let Ndidi focus on winning the ball and giving it to his teammate (as in the Kanté/DD partnership) and I think his game will flourish.

 

Fingers crossed YT can live up to the expectations.

Fair point. He would still improve and offer more if he did sort it (ditto Mendy whose passing I think is better slightly) 

[Nick]

1 minute ago, RowlattsFox said:

The front 4 a very static in their positions, might be by instruction from the manager I don't know, but often there is very little movement in front of midfielder, particularly against a packed defence. Even when Maguire strolls into midfield he has to turn around or chip it out to Chilwell because he has nothing on in front of him. A lot of that is down to the play being too slow but its also down to the lack of options and attempts to find space. Vardy is the worse this season for pretty much marking himself unless a counter attack is on. 

 

Hopefully Tielemans is the missing link. 

There no one in the middle when we play with essentially 4 wingers on the pitch and Vardy in the middle.... !!!

[Xen]

1 minute ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Fair point  it he would still improve and offer more if he did sort it (ditto Mendy whose passing I think is better slightly) 

Oh I agree. He should put in the effort to improve at it. Similar to how Chilwell put in the effort last summer to imrove his game, it could really kick him on to the next level where he'd be linked with the likes of the big 6. I just think that in the short-term we're unlikely to see that, so working to his strengths and not asking him to do anything extra is the best way of playing him back into form.

[cal21212121]

5 hours ago, smr said:

Much as I like Wilf and Mendy I'd drop them and put Hamza in as DM. 

 

What do you think to this team?

 

 

Stick Albrighton in that over gray and I'd be well happy

 

Alternatively a 3 at the back formation

                              Kasper

           Caglar        Evans      Maguire

Ricardo                                           Chilwell

                     Hamza   Youri

                  Barnes      Maddison

                              Vardy 

[WestLothianFox]

8 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

The front 4 a very static in their positions, might be by instruction from the manager I don't know, but often there is very little movement in front of midfielder, particularly against a packed defence. Even when Maguire strolls into midfield he has to turn around or chip it out to Chilwell because he has nothing on in front of him. A lot of that is down to the play being too slow but its also down to the lack of options and attempts to find space. Vardy is the worse this season for pretty much marking himself unless a counter attack is on. 

 

Hopefully Tielemans is the missing link. 

No  way, he is not hairy enough, and his forehead does not slope back enough. He also stands upright rather than stooping