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[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

Everyone I’ve heard call for a second referendum have said that would be the end of it. Heseltine immediately springs to mind. 

Oh well I definitely believe them now they've said this time it will be the end of it.

[Nickfosse]

Just now, MattP said:

Oh well I definitely believe them now they've said this time it will be the end of it.

? ok point well made. 

Let me turn it back on you, how do you get the kind of Brexit that you voted for with the Parliamentary arithmetic blocking everything?

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

? ok point well made. 

Let me turn it back on you, how do you get the kind of Brexit that you voted for with the Parliamentary arithmetic blocking everything?

 

Surely nobody had any idea about what kind of Brexit they were voting for and isn't that sort of the point of a second reforendum?

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Nickfosse said:

? ok point well made. 

Let me turn it back on you, how do you get the kind of Brexit that you voted for with the Parliamentary arithmetic blocking everything?

I don't think I have any right to get the Brexit I want, but parliament does have the responsibility to implement the result of the referendum and then the public should judge them on that. 

 

The law should have been upheld, either a deal is voted through or we leave on No Deal - that was supposed to be what happened when Article 50 was invoked.

 

Had that happened then May's deal probably passes.

[Nickfosse]

Just now, Swan Lesta said:

 

Surely nobody had any idea about what kind of Brexit they were voting for and isn't that sort of the point of a second reforendum?

I agree. I was just asking MattP how he think he can get the Brexit he was voting for. 

[Nickfosse]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

I don't think I have any right to get the Brexit I want, but parliament does have the responsibility to implement the result of the referendum and then the public should judge them on that. 

 

The law should have been upheld, either a deal is voted through or we leave on No Deal - that was supposed to be what happened when Article 50 was invoked.

 

Had that happened then May's deal probably passes.

Beautifully sidestepped ? 

[simFox]

Neverendum. SNP will be mandated for a second go aswell I suppose..

 

Whether Farage has rebranded UKIP or not is irrelevant, it was the only single issue party in the euros that took most of the vote, leavers could still have been voting labour and conservative in equal measure, maybe even Libdem. The way the euro vote awards seats further skews the actual leave/remain vote.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

17 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

It's great to see the far right doing well and we need repatriation programmes? 

 

Yeah DT - send em all back eh?

 

What demographic would you repatriate from the UK given the option? 

 

Seriously, I'd love to know.

 

  Softly, softly, catchee monkey!  Gotcha!

 

Seriously though, I think this is the main reason for the far right becoming bigger and more extreme, and it is quite frightening. How the hell does one stop it?

 

I do tend to lean towards the right, and believe we do need properly controlled immigration, however.

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[Buce]

4 minutes ago, simFox said:

Neverendum. SNP will be mandated for a second go aswell I suppose..

 

Whether Farage has rebranded UKIP or not is irrelevant, it was the only single issue party in the euros that took most of the vote, leavers could still have been voting labour and conservative in equal measure, maybe even Libdem. The way the euro vote awards seats further skews the actual leave/remain vote.

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It's not irrelevant to what you stated, though, is it?

 

2 hours ago, simFox said:

It's odd how people are reading into these results to fit their own narrative. A brexit party has just come out of nowhere and took 30% of the vote, smashing every other party. That's the real message.

 

 

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[Buce]

3 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

  Softly, softly, catchee monkey!  Gotcha!

 

Seriously though, I think this is the main reason for the far right becoming bigger and more extreme, and it is quite frightening. How the hell does one stop it?

 

I do tend to lean towards the right, and believe we do need properly controlled immigration, however.

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No!

 

Well, you certainly had me fooled, DT.

[Nick]

5 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

  Softly, softly, catchee monkey!  Gotcha!

 

Seriously though, I think this is the main reason for the far right becoming bigger and more extreme, and it is quite frightening. How the hell does one stop it?

 

I do tend to lean towards the right, and believe we do need properly controlled immigration, however.

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Yeah, righto.

[simFox]

5 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

  Softly, softly, catchee monkey!  Gotcha!

 

Seriously though, I think this is the main reason for the far right becoming bigger and more extreme, and it is quite frightening. How the hell does one stop it?

 

I do tend to lean towards the right, and believe we do need properly controlled immigration, however.

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The reason for the uprising of the right, is because of the militant and very noisy left.

[Nickfosse]

2 minutes ago, simFox said:

The reason for the uprising of the right, is because of the militant and very noisy left.

From a historical perspective, I think the far right have had massive popularity on many occasions without a particularly militant and very noisy left. 

[bovril]

21 minutes ago, simFox said:

The reason for the uprising of the right, is because of the militant and very noisy left.

Yeah I've heard this a lot from the alt / far right whatever. "You called me racist so I turned racist". It's like a psycho ex girlfriend shaving her hair off and screaming "look what you made me do!"

[Benguin]

I think a lot of people get centre right and far right mixed up. Could be because there has been a huge shift from centre left to far left, which makes centre right views seem far right. Probably talking bollocks though. Eurosceptism definitley isn’t just a far right view though. 

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

Presumably, there is some way it can be legislated for so that it is binding?

It’s supposed to binding in law that we left in March 2019, but here we are. Sorry but Matt is right, I can’t accept a second referendum if the first has not been acted upon. If democracy betrays me, don’t expect me to treat democracy with anything other than contempt. 

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Strokes said:

It’s supposed to binding in law that we left in March 2019, but here we are. Sorry but Matt is right, I can’t accept a second referendum if the first has not been acted upon. If democracy betrays me, don’t expect me to treat democracy with anything other than contempt. 

I still think Leavers should boycott a second referendum anyway - give it no legitimacy.

 

Watch parliament reverse it on a 99% Remain win on a low turnout then focus on the next General Election.

[Strokes]

58 minutes ago, simFox said:

Neverendum. SNP will be mandated for a second go aswell I suppose..

 

Whether Farage has rebranded UKIP or not is irrelevant, it was the only single issue party in the euros that took most of the vote, leavers could still have been voting labour and conservative in equal measure, maybe even Libdem. The way the euro vote awards seats further skews the actual leave/remain vote.

Let’s be honest, if the Jocks leave, the second referendum is dead in the water.

[Nickfosse]

3 minutes ago, Strokes said:

It’s supposed to binding in law that we left in March 2019, but here we are. Sorry but Matt is right, I can’t accept a second referendum if the first has not been acted upon. If democracy betrays me, don’t expect me to treat democracy with anything other than contempt. 

The great irony being that it was leavers in the ERG group who betrayed your democratic wish to leave. We would have left by now if they hadn’t voted against the negotiated deal with the EU. 

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

It’s supposed to binding in law that we left in March 2019, but here we are. Sorry but Matt is right, I can’t accept a second referendum if the first has not been acted upon. If democracy betrays me, don’t expect me to treat democracy with anything other than contempt. 

 

 

Now that's just plain silly.

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

The great irony being that it was leavers in the ERG group who betrayed your democratic wish to leave. We would have left by now if they hadn’t voted against the negotiated deal with the EU. 

No it isn’t they upheld my vote, you might have been happy with TMs leaving the door half open deal but it wasn’t enough for me. I’d take it over nothing but I’d want them to fight for more and get it if possible.

[Nickfosse]

3 minutes ago, Strokes said:

No it isn’t they upheld my vote, you might have been happy with TMs leaving the door half open deal but it wasn’t enough for me. I’d take it over nothing but I’d want them to fight for more and get it if possible.

That’s fair enough, but this is my original point, the mathematics in parliament mean there’s a consensus for nothing. 

By the way, I don’t like the deal either. I was just pondering how we move forward in the light of the election results this morning. 

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, Nickfosse said:

That’s fair enough, but this is my original point, the mathematics in parliament mean there’s a consensus for nothing. 

I agree, i’d rather we have a GE than a referendum.

As things stand I’d more than likely weaken my side by voting for the brexit party but I’m open to ANY party/candidate that has the right vision or message.

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, Bryn said:

People in here calling for privatisation of the NHS, Christ on a bike. Be careful what you wish for. 

Because it works so well in the US

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Great to see the far right  do so well in France. It's growing across Europe, due mainly to high immigration numbers. This happening is  inevitable, and will continue to happen ,unless repatriation  programmes are introduced.

Oh dear