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[Guest Kopfkino]

7 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

Will another leader get the withdrawal agreement and deal through Parliament?

 

Someone has to get the WA through eventually. All this polava to alter the PD that in x years when the final relationship is agreed will barely resemble it. 

[RoboFox]

F**king state of this lot.

 

A sea of red, white and grey. 

 

 

[Izzy]

So this time around, only 5 Labour MPs voted to support and implement what the public asked for at the referendum. 

Have I got that right?

[The Guvnor]

Third deal down the pan, surprise surprise.  

This is what happens when you give the EU everything they want in the withdrawl agreement then left with the prospect of  begging for what you want in the PD.

[Alf Bentley]

2 minutes ago, Izzy said:

So this time around, only 5 Labour MPs voted to support and implement what the public asked for at the referendum. 

Have I got that right?

 

No, you've got it wrong.

 

They voted against a particular form of Brexit. Hundreds of Labour MPs voted for different forms of Brexit the other day - and will do again on Monday.

 

All the public asked for at the referendum was: "Brexit (means/form unspecified)". 

[Guest MattP]

These protest outside parliament has riot potential. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

No, you've got it wrong.

 

They voted against a particular form of Brexit. Hundreds of Labour MPs voted for different forms of Brexit the other day - and will do again on Monday.

 

All the public asked for at the referendum was: "Brexit (means/form unspecified)". 

 

Well really today they voted against a Withdrawal Agreement which if they were to take over would look exactly the same as it does now and which they would be voting for. 

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Kopfkino said:

Well really today they voted against a Withdrawal Agreement which if they were to take over would look exactly the same as it does now and which they would be voting for. 

In Corbyn's closing speech it became apparant he didn't have much of a clue what he was voting on - he mentioned the political declaration twice.

[Buce]

[stripeyfox]

4 minutes ago, MattP said:

These protest outside parliament has riot potential. 

Are you saying you "predict a riot"?

 

[Alf Bentley]

1 minute ago, Kopfkino said:

 

Well really today they voted against a Withdrawal Agreement which if they were to take over would look exactly the same as it does now and which they would be voting for. 

 

You might be right that the Withdrawal Agreement would look the same if Labour took over.

 

But what they voted against today was that Withdrawal Agreement PLUS a blank cheque for the Tory Party to replace an outgoing PM with whoever they like (probably a more Hard Brexit PM), allowing him/her to negotiate whatever future relationship he/she wants....

[Jon the Hat]

55 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

In every other member state there’s flags everywhere marking the funding and the achievements of EU from hospitals, beaches, theatres, research centres, arts, housing, sanitation, highways.. the list is endless but I never really saw much of that in England. I do feel for all the EU’s failings and beurocracy the achievements were not celebrated or publicised in England, just very much the focus always appeared to be slander by any avenue possible.

 

Just sayin.

 

I have seen a bit of this in Cornwall on EU funded roads, however you have to remember that in many part of Europe the EU has funded massive infrastructure projects, and here it hasn't.

[Jon the Hat]

7 minutes ago, MattP said:

These protest outside parliament has riot potential. 

Lets hope not.  

 

Who fancies standing for the European parliament?

[Buce]

16 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

F**king state of this lot.

 

A sea of red, white and grey. 

 

 

 

Is Wetherspoons closed for the afternoon?

[Jon the Hat]

7 minutes ago, MattP said:

In Corbyn's closing speech it became apparant he didn't have much of a clue what he was voting on - he mentioned the political declaration twice.

I get the impression he is not the sharpest tool in the pretty pathetic Labour toolbox.

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

Lets hope not.  

 

Who fancies standing for the European parliament?

I'm intending to send the biggest bastard I can whoever it is.

[Jon the Hat]

Just now, Buce said:

 

Is Wetherspoons closed for the afternoon?

Westminster is a long way for a lot of Brexiteers, while from North London, not so much. Just saying.

[Jon the Hat]

Just now, MattP said:

I'm intending to send the biggest bastard I can whoever it is.

Is that a yes??

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I get the impression he is not the sharpest tool in the pretty pathetic Labour toolbox.

Natalie Bennett and Paul Nuttell aside he's got to be the leader with the lowest intellect in recent times.

 

You can see how he left school with two E's.

[AKCJ]

Just now, Jon the Hat said:

I get the impression he is not the sharpest tool in the pretty pathetic Labour toolbox.

If Labour want half a chance at winning a next election they need to get rid of him.

 

I honestly think he means well and I honestly think he's a good bloke.

 

But he will go down as one of the worst opposition leaders in modern times.

 

Says it all that the Tories are in complete disarray yet there's no doubt they'd be re-elected should there be a GE tomorrow.

 

 

[Alf Bentley]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

I have seen a bit of this in Cornwall on EU funded roads, however you have to remember that in many part of Europe the EU has funded massive infrastructure projects, and here it hasn't.

 

Much of such spending is done by region - concentrating on regions that are poorer, deindustralised, underdeveloped or whatever.

Hence why you'd see such signs in Cornwall (one of Britain's poorer regions), along with Wales, Merseyside, N. Ireland etc.

 

Some other regions within the EU had a much lower starting point - Mediterranean nations 20 years ago, Eastern Europe more recently - so it's logical they'd get more funding.

[yorkie1999]

38 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Well that’s strike 3!

 

Surely now she resigns? ? 

I would, with a big finger salute and a "you sort it out" 

[Jon the Hat]

5 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Much of such spending is done by region - concentrating on regions that are poorer, deindustralised, underdeveloped or whatever.

Hence why you'd see such signs in Cornwall (one of Britain's poorer regions), along with Wales, Merseyside, N. Ireland etc.

 

Some other regions within the EU had a much lower starting point - Mediterranean nations 20 years ago, Eastern Europe more recently - so it's logical they'd get more funding.

Yes indeed, I agree that was rather the point of the development funds.  The point is that is it not that we don't advertise it, just that we have less of it.

[yorkie1999]

5 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Much of such spending is done by region - concentrating on regions that are poorer, deindustralised, underdeveloped or whatever.

Hence why you'd see such signs in Cornwall (one of Britain's poorer regions), along with Wales, Merseyside, N. Ireland etc.

 

Some other regions within the EU had a much lower starting point - Mediterranean nations 20 years ago, Eastern Europe more recently - so it's logical they'd get more funding.

Which is great for cornwall, wales and spain, they've now got all nice new roads etc and everyone wants to go there,  places like leicester and skeggy end up being shitholes because of the lack of local funding but are too wealthy for eu handouts, to which their residents have contributed to.

[Guest Kopfkino]

9 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

You might be right that the Withdrawal Agreement would look the same if Labour took over.

 

But what they voted against today was that Withdrawal Agreement PLUS a blank cheque for the Tory Party to replace an outgoing PM with whoever they like (probably a more Hard Brexit PM), allowing him/her to negotiate whatever future relationship he/she wants....

Well it would, the only thing you could change about it would be reverting to NI-only backstop but given Labour favours a CU, I can’t imagine they’d scrap that bit of it.

 

Well given the only way they can bind the hands of a future government is ammending the Implementation Bill (need to vote for the WA first) or wining an election - but they’ve not brought forward another confidence motion and arguably the WA passing is their best route to no confidence - that seems a rather limp explanation of their position.