Carl the Llama Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 1 hour ago, MC Prussian said: You're using labour force as an indicator here; in comparison, Obama's stats are way worse - down from 66 to 62 percent in between 2010 and 2016: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate For context, in the same time frame, the US population has grown by another 18 million people (309 to 327 million); trying to integrate all these new people (which I suspect are mostly immigrants, thus mostly adults) into the job market is a task in itself. Which also puts the job creation numbers in a different light. And Forbes research tell a somewhat different story here also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/08/02/july-marks-94-months-of-continuous-u-s-job-creation-infographic/#14787a8d2d66 Obama had a post-crash economy and he did eventually arrest the slide. Trump inherited an economy on the upswing after a trough and all he's achieved with it is an extraordinary increase in defecit and public debt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Yeah, but that wasn't the point the BBC article you quoted was making, was it? It's Reading Pride vs. Chick-fil-A. Explain the charity bit, because that's not mentioned in the article. Sources, details. Yeah, it is Reading and everywhere-else-Pride vs Chick-Fil-A, evidently because they're as aware of their record as anyone else. And by all means: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/uganda-murder-gay-chick-fil-a/ It's actually a little murkier than I thought it was because the particular minister talking about the genocide-related bill got shouted down pretty fast by his fellow government members. However, "[the WinShape Foundation funded in large part by Chick-Fil-A] means a real and substantive connection does exist between the funding disbursed by the WinShape Foundation and the activities of NCF-backed groups and individuals in Uganda". So, perhaps not backing genocide, but probably backing reasonably nasty oppression. Not a bad reason to ask for a boycott and protest. Edited 19 October 2019 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 1 hour ago, MC Prussian said: You're using labour force as an indicator here; in comparison, Obama's stats are way worse - down from 66 to 62 percent in between 2010 and 2016: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate For context, in the same time frame, the US population has grown by another 18 million people (309 to 327 million); trying to integrate all these new people (which I suspect are mostly immigrants, thus mostly adults) into the job market is a task in itself. Which also puts the job creation numbers in a different light. And Forbes research tell a somewhat different story here also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/08/02/july-marks-94-months-of-continuous-u-s-job-creation-infographic/#14787a8d2d66 Explain the immigrants bit because that's not mentioned in the articles. Sources, details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 12 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Obama had a post-crash economy and he did eventually arrest the slide. Trump inherited an economy on the upswing after a trough and all he's achieved with it is an extraordinary increase in defecit and public debt. Yes, Trump's economical progress is built on borrowed money. Just as Obama - who started the exorbitant amount of spending. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 Just now, MC Prussian said: Yes, Trump's economical progress is built on borrowed money. Just as Obama - who started the exorbitant amount of spending. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States Obama started borrowing, Trump claimed it was irresponsible and made absurd promises about eradicating the deficit. Instead he's ballooned it. If you aren't aware what Trump's promised to do and how it bears on reality you shouldn't blindly defend him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Explain the immigrants bit because that's not mentioned in the articles. Sources, details. Sure - keep in mind my initial statement was based on a hunch: Quote Between 2010 and 2017, 9.5 million new immigrants settled in the United States. https://cis.org/Report/Record-445-Million-Immigrants-2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Obama started borrowing, Trump claimed it was irresponsible and made absurd promises about eradicating the deficit. Instead he's ballooned it. If you aren't aware what Trump's promised to do and how it bears on reality you shouldn't blindly defend him. Trump promised to eradicate the deficit within eight years - he still has four more years to fulfill that promise : https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401 Edited 19 October 2019 by MC Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 This isn't good. This was also the company that provided the hog roast for my wedding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 19 October 2019 Share Posted 19 October 2019 Jesus wept Redcar and Cleveland Council 'spent £28k rearranging meeting room' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-50108426 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 20 October 2019 Share Posted 20 October 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50113732 ...were the Repubs who didn't like this idea "crazed" too, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest MattP Posted 21 October 2019 Share Posted 21 October 2019 Canadian election today. Looks like it's going to be close but Canadians do have a habit of going for the status quo so I do think blackface will hold on. I really hope he doesn't though, another four years of his faux apology and weird virtue signalling could be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-50132023/trump-irked-his-doral-golf-club-will-no-longer-host-g7 Not a fan of the enoulments clause of the Constitution, then. Guess he should push for an Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 Looks like liberals will win the election here in Canada. Majority not out of the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 4 hours ago, Jattdogg said: Looks like liberals will win the election here in Canada. Majority not out of the question Not surprised, four more years of his pathetic virtue signalling and embarrassment. Gives Singh some serious power as well if he's the kingmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 Well, at least the social conservatives aren't having it their own way everywhere, it seems. Trudeau with Singh to help hold him accountable isn't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 5 hours ago, Jattdogg said: Looks like liberals will win the election here in Canada. Majority not out of the question 53 minutes ago, MattP said: Not surprised, four more years of his pathetic virtue signalling and embarrassment. Gives Singh some serious power as well if he's the kingmaker. 49 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Well, at least the social conservatives aren't having it their own way everywhere, it seems. Trudeau with Singh to help hold him accountable isn't bad. Live updates: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/federal/2019/results/ Great system, you can see seats changing as the counting is happening. Maybe Bernier can get at least one seat, would be a huge success for a party formed not long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 Didn't realise he had lost the popular vote - looks like Canada is another very divided country, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 (edited) On a difficult morning, this has seriously cheered my mood up...... https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2019/oct/21/david-cameron-autobiography-fake-cover-foyles?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR0zAnyMu04uWuMa3H58Edp-H2pMRXlg7xecKpvUTt4N4x64fm6DIkBSpHU "There are large acts of protest [....] And then there are smaller ones, such as the work of the as yet unidentified individual who swapped the jacket of David Cameron’s autobiography for one of their own creation. In Foyles on Charing Cross Road, London, the new version of Cameron’s "For the Record" looks at first glance unchanged – but the differences are a joy to behold. The cover has lost the Sunday Times’ glowing description (“The political memoir of the decade”) and is now adorned with a quote from Donald Trump: 'A very great book. So great. No, it’s a great book. All the words. All the pages.' "Then the back, which includes a positive verdict from Pliers of Chaka Demus and Pliers (“Hilarious”), and a damning write-up from Judy and Andy Murray, who found it “a poorly-written romp around the world, with hardly any reference to tennis whatsoever”. The real Judy Murray approves of this impersonation, by the way. But it’s the freshly written blurb that takes this to another level: “Women wanted him. Men wanted to be him. Animals feared him,” it begins, detailing how “within hours of moving into number 10, he’d installed a small urinal and a fax machine into all 38 rooms to ‘finally get things pumping on Downing Street’”. Cameron reportedly now “lives in a weird hut on wheels in the Cotswolds” where he “keeps wasps and brews his own vinegar”. Edited 22 October 2019 by Alf Bentley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 2 hours ago, MattP said: Didn't realise he had lost the popular vote - looks like Canada is another very divided country, You could say it's all his own undoing. Not particularly fond of Scheer here, he comes across as very flat and uncharismatic, but maybe more Conservatives could help balancing things out. In an ideal world, I'd give the other three, four parties more votes, so that NDP, Greens, Independents and the PP have a bigger influence in Ottawa, so that Liberals and Conservatives are more forced to go for compromises that serve everybody best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, leicsmac said: Well, at least the social conservatives aren't having it their own way everywhere, it seems. Trudeau with Singh to help hold him accountable isn't bad. Pretty much this. Singh and the ndp lost seats but finds himself in sort of a consolation prize territory. Singh has to be careful though because of he pushes too much it could trigger an earlier election and that could lead to his party losing more of people get annoyed at having to vote again and waste tax payer money etc. Trudeau lost the popular vote per say but overall the ndp and liberals together are more left leaning to definite left. They took more then 50% combined add in the green vote probably up near 55% Edited 22 October 2019 by Jattdogg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 Congratulations Canada on your first black Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 In other news, I have heard from a friend in Bolivia that the latest election was pretty much blatantly rigged and people aren't happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leicsmac Posted 22 October 2019 Share Posted 22 October 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50142172 A "lynching", huh? There's a word with no varied and turbulent history of race relations in the US, no sir. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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