BLM support to be displayed on shirts

[Bazly]

Having watched a leading BLM activist say that they want a socialist revolution, the police disbanded, drugs decriminalised and they as an internationalist have no pride in Britain I'm left wondering if the sentiment of BLM support matches reality. Sport and politics never have been good bedfellows. 

[Wortho]

20 minutes ago, Bazly said:

Having watched a leading BLM activist say that they want a socialist revolution, the police disbanded, drugs decriminalised and they as an internationalist have no pride in Britain I'm left wondering if the sentiment of BLM support matches reality. Sport and politics never have been good bedfellows. 

I quite agree. I don't want BLM on the back of players shirts. Extreme political movements shouldn't be allowed to use football to further their Stalinist views.

[st albans fox]

32 minutes ago, Bazly said:

Having watched a leading BLM activist say that they want a socialist revolution, the police disbanded, drugs decriminalised and they as an internationalist have no pride in Britain I'm left wondering if the sentiment of BLM support matches reality. Sport and politics never have been good bedfellows. 

I assume that just like every movement, there are extreme views at either end of the envelope ........

[Nicolo Barella]

This is cool, based and good. Great initiative. I am all for it, as a socialist who wants the police disbanded and drugs decriminalised 

[CosbehFox]

If we use the same notion of 1 person’s opinion with a group to be representative of a larger cause that we will be judging a lot of things facist, communist, socialist etc 

[jonthefox]

I'm probably going to get shot down for this but, Where as i see this as a good idea in principle aren't we all jumping on some moral bandwagon. If we don't show some support for BLM then are we running the gauntlet of being seen as condoning racism?. 

[CosbehFox]

9 minutes ago, jonthefox said:

I'm probably going to get shot down for this but, Where as i see this as a good idea in principle aren't we all jumping on some moral bandwagon. If we don't show some support for BLM then are we running the gauntlet of being seen as condoning racism?. 

Is it a moral bandwagon to support the abolishment of racism? 

[CosbehFox]

39 minutes ago, Wortho said:

I quite agree. I don't want BLM on the back of players shirts. Extreme political movements shouldn't be allowed to use football to further their Stalinist views.

That’s a shame because it’s happening. Never thought I’d see the day that eradicating racism is judged as Stalinist

[jonthefox]

1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Is it a moral bandwagon to support the abolishment of racism? 

The best way to support that is not to be racist. 

[Bazly]

20 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

This is cool, based and good. Great initiative. I am all for it, as a socialist who wants the police disbanded and drugs decriminalised 

I'm a real socialist who believes in sharing and equality over destruction and affirmative action. I also have a strong dislike of the police born of distrust and I think drug sales should be taxed. I know you wouldn't want me running the country though. That'd be a very bad idea as I know I'd make a brilliant dictator. 

[steveherbe]

I don't agree with this at all. Unless we have White Lives Matter on shirts for 12 games as well, football itself is being racist. Keep politics out of football.

 

[Nicolo Barella]

6 minutes ago, jonthefox said:

I'm probably going to get shot down for this but, Where as i see this as a good idea in principle aren't we all jumping on some moral bandwagon. If we don't show some support for BLM then are we running the gauntlet of being seen as condoning racism?. 

The way to look at it is this. Black Lives Matter, at its core, is a just movement centred around ending racial discrimination. Supporting it will support that goal above all. That's really all there is to it. There may be socialists involved in Black Lives Matter but to be honest the vast majority of people of colour just want to live a "normal" life. That is what the PL is supporting with their initiative.

 

Not supporting this initiative because of a vague premonition of socialism is frankly missing the point, and will probably radicalise more people - if you oppose their struggle for justice because of some lukewarm accusation of socialism or a lack of patriotism whilst they continue to face very real issues in their lives, they will likely reject the establishment further, and that is when they become the much dreaded socialists referred to. Welcome them with open arms, genuinely recieve their issues, and there will be no problems, only solutions. Reject them out of fear, and they will look for other avenues of enfranchisement. That's just fact.

[Nicolo Barella]

2 minutes ago, Bazly said:

I'm a real socialist who believes in sharing and equality over destruction and affirmative action. I also have a strong dislike of the police born of distrust and I think drug sales should be taxed. I know you wouldn't want me running the country though. That'd be a very bad idea as I know I'd make a brilliant dictator. 

You couldn't do a worse job than Boris tbf.

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, jonthefox said:

The best way to support that is not to be racist. 

Which the club has continually done - so let’s highlight the issue across the world 

[CosbehFox]

Just suggesting like when we have stonewall rainbow laces and the entire league including television stations with rainbow motifs supports LGBTQ we all decry that as political? 
 

Despite the Stonewall Group having strong links to left wing politics

Edited 13 June 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[Nicolo Barella]

Just now, Cardiff_Fox said:

Just suggesting like when we have stonewall rainbow laces and the entire league including television stations with rainbow motifs supports LGBTQ we all decry that as political? 
 

Despite the Stonewall Group have strong links to left wing politics? 

Minority groups will always tend to have more connections with leftist groups because leftist groups are the first willing to recognise their marginalisation and fight for their rights. It's really nothing necessarily political, it's just that (shocker) leftist groups generally have more empathy for the plight of marginalised groups than the general establishment does. 

 

Rejecting justice just because leftist groups decided to extend their empathy to minority groups first and most consistently is just wrong.

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Minority groups will always tend to have more connections with leftist groups because leftist groups are the first willing to recognise their marginalisation and fight for their rights. It's really nothing necessarily political, it's just that (shocker) leftist groups generally have more empathy for the plight of marginalised groups than the general establishment does. 

 

Rejecting justice just because leftist groups decided to extend their empathy to minority groups first and most consistently is just wrong.

Agreed.
 

Alongside this I’m fairly sure the players themselves who decided to front the BLM message are of a political broadchurch (generally accepted that the majority of footballers politically go to the right, tax etc).
 

They simply want to support their colleagues and friends who feel passionate about the cause 

[Heathrow fox]

59 minutes ago, Wortho said:

I quite agree. I don't want BLM on the back of players shirts. Extreme political movements shouldn't be allowed to use football to further their Stalinist views.

I thought Stalin was a huge fan of having Police.Don’t think he would have been keen on legalising drugs,and he definitely wasn’t an internationalist either 

[HighPeakFox]

27 minutes ago, steveherbe said:

I don't agree with this at all. Unless we have White Lives Matter on shirts for 12 games as well, football itself is being racist. Keep politics out of football.

 

I am afraid this comment misses the point entirely. One position does not preclude the other. It's a bit like suggesting not contributing to the foodbank collection every year (which is amazing and fantastic) because there are people starving elsewhere who won't be lucky enough to benefit.

[Nicolo Barella]

29 minutes ago, steveherbe said:

I don't agree with this at all. Unless we have White Lives Matter on shirts for 12 games as well, football itself is being racist. Keep politics out of football.

 

Bruh. So if there are two houses, and one is burning, then it only makes sense to send the fire brigade to both houses despite only one of them clearly needing it? White people aren't oppressed, it isn't racist to ignore them for once. They don't need the fire brigade, so to speak.

[Dandy king]

Great to see support for this from the league. Black players have put up with some serious sh*t over the years. And if the result of this logo on a shirt is a legal drugs police free Stalinist society, then what's not to like ? 

[Carl the Llama]

Nobody's asking you lot to join the protests, but if you're uncomfortable with people addressing the racial inequalities which still stupidly exist in our interconnected, multicultural world then you need to do some soul searching about why that is, not spend your time indulging in lunatic conspiracy theories where only one side of the political spectrum apparently has a monopoly on power despite not actually having been in power for a long time.

[TheUltimateWinner]

This doesn’t bother me at all and is the sort of actions that should be being taken right now (during a pandemic) to bring attention to the cause.

 

Protests however...

[hejammy]

59 minutes ago, steveherbe said:

I don't agree with this at all. Unless we have White Lives Matter on shirts for 12 games as well, football itself is being racist. Keep politics out of football.

 

So you, as a white person, have been the subject of racial prejudice in the same way as a black person? You've had the police stop you for being white? You've had job interviews turned down because your white? Educate your self mate and then perhaps take out your keyboard. Saying "black lives matter" isn't saying all other lives do not matter or they matter less. It means black lives ALSO matter when in some places and scenarios they currently evidently don't. Eleminating racism isn't political, its being a good human. 

Edited 13 June 2020 by hejammy

[MANFACE]

Peaceful protests?  Social distancing? No riots? No vandalism? Bring it to football?