The “ I’ve got something to say, but it doesn’t warrant its own thread “ thread.

[RonnieTodger]

On 28/01/2025 at 18:52, Daggers said:

Glossing over anything else, I don’t get how anybody goes to some place like this and takes holiday snaps. 
 

Surely it’s a place for silent contemplation and respect, not a ‘look at where the fvck I’ve been’ location? 

Celtic fans would wear the kit to their own wedding

[Dr The Singh]

3 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Celtic fans would wear the kit to their own wedding

Is that because they have nothing else to wear????

[HighPeakFox]

Well I had a very quiet week in the clink for my part in the demise of the old General News thread. I won't be able to contribute to the new one either, which (looking for the upside) will probably be better for my mental health. 

 

I'd just like to say to @Dr The Singh, we may disagree sometimes but I'll buy you a pint anytime. 

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Well I had a very quiet week in the clink for my part in the demise of the old General News thread. I won't be able to contribute to the new one either, which (looking for the upside) will probably be better for my mental health. 

 

I'd just like to say to @Dr The Singh, we may disagree sometimes but I'll buy you a pint anytime. 

Anytime my friend .  A healthy relationship, society, is one where we can disagree and still have a pint together.

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said:

Anytime my friend .  A healthy relationship, society, is one where we can disagree and still have a pint together.

We're all human, we're all from the same place. Too many seek to divide rather than look at what unites us 

[davieG]

@Alf Bentley Did you say you where from Folkstone and wasn't very complimentary about it. Sorry if I've got it wrong.

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/seaside-town-named-uks-best-9906263?int_source=nba

Seaside town named UK's best for 2025 for its vibrant culture and golden beaches
The town is a hotbed of entertainment and culture and is a 'top-tier seaside spot'

ByMary HarrisLaura McKenna
04:00, 1 FEB 2025

The charming coastal town of Folkestone in Kent is already having a remarkable year. Following its recent recognition as the best place to live in the South East by the Sunday Times, it has now been crowned the top destination to visit in the UK for 2025 by Time Out.

This esteemed title is a testament to Folkestone's unique charm, which Time Out describes as a "top-tier seaside spot" with a "balmy, sweeping beach". On a sunny day, the town transforms into a tropical paradise, boasting crystal-clear waters and golden sands, with the added bonus of potentially spotting France across the horizon.

Regardless of the weather, Folkestone offers an exceptional experience, with a wide range of shopping, dining, and cultural attractions. The town exudes a youthful energy, with vibrant, colourful streets that are a far cry from its former, less glamorous days.

 

Visitors can explore the town's quirky independent boutiques, quaint cafes, and tantalising restaurants, making it easy to create a gastronomic 'to-do' list. One visitor to the town reported finding a cheap parking space in the town centre with ease, a welcome bonus that sets the tone for a wonderful day out.

Folkestone is a town brimming with positivity and charm, with attractions aplenty. The Harbour Arm is a particular highlight, boasting a variety of food stalls known for their friendly service and delicious offerings, reports the Mirror.

For those with a sweet tooth, the blondies - similar to brownies but made with brown sugar instead of cocoa - come highly recommended. The town also offers an array of unique bars and award-winning restaurants.

Cavells at Folkestone Harbour, run by the team behind the popular Big Greek Bus, serves up a tantalising selection of Greek, Lebanese and Syrian dishes. Little Rock, a seafood paradise managed by an all-female team, is tucked away in a shipping container just off Folkestone Harbour Arm.

 

Another must-visit is Rocksalt, a luxury seafood restaurant that was named among the UK's best restaurants with a view in 2022. It offers stunning views across the Channel and was a favourite of TV personality Kelly Brook when she lived in Kent.

Lastly, the Creative Quarter in the Old High Street is a visual delight, with its brightly-painted independent shops adding a splash of colour to the area.

Folkestone locals are quite fond of their unique shopping offerings, providing a welcome change from the everyday brands that typically dominate high streets across Britain. For those visiting, the town presents a plethora of options for picking up souvenirs and keepsakes to remember their journey.

The area's vibrant music scene is reflected in its array of music shops, while the presence of independent and vintage clothing stores means visitors may leave the seaside town with a heightened fashion sense.

One cannot miss out on visiting Kingsnorth Gardens, a "magical oasis" steeped in over a century of history, just a stone's throw from the town centre and conveniently close to Folkestone Central station, where Shorncliffe Road meets Cheriton Road. The gardens boast an enchanting blend of oriental, Italian and English formal themes, with April being the ideal time to witness a dazzling exhibition of colours – thanks to ornamental ponds, fountains, seasonal display beds, and rockery areas.

Standout features include magnificent specimen trees, notably the Japanese Acers with their eye-catching pink flowers due to bloom in April.

For those keen to further explore, Bouverie Place Shopping Centre and the Lower Leas Coastal Park are excellent destinations, while art enthusiasts will appreciate Anthony Gormley's commanding iron figure under the harbour arm and Cornelia Parker's impressive bronze mermaid perched atop the rocks above the beach.

If you're travelling from London, the journey to Folkestone is just under an hour from King's Cross railway station. You can also reach Calais from Folkestone via the Eurostar in a swift 35 minutes.

 

Time Out has recommended a fantastic itinerary for a day trip, offering a mix of outdoor activities, window shopping including art, and food stops. The Folkestone Triennial, which runs from July 19 to October 19 this year, delves into the historical roots of human settlement in the town.

Creative Folkestone, the organisers of the festival, encourage visitors to explore Folkestone's "deep past". Time Out heaps praise on Folkestone, stating: "For a while, Folkestone was something of an under-the-radar seaside destination – but those days are now long gone."

It further commends the Kentish town for its transformation into a top seaside spot, known for its vibrant, cobbled Old High Street filled with independent shops, a growing food scene, a warm beach, and beautiful natural surroundings.

Additionally, it recommends visiting the town's Leas Lift, a 'funicular' – two carriages on a track moving up and down a steep hill via a pulley system at the top. Despite being out of operation for years, this attraction was voted fifth in the Seaside Heritage Network's Bucket and Spade List of the Top 10 favourite seaside places and experiences in the UK last year.

However, things are about to take a turn. The cliffside lift, which shut down in 2016 and was added to the Heritage at Risk register after serving an impressive 36 million people, is scheduled to reopen in 2025.

This follows a successful fundraising campaign that amassed £6.6m, including £4.8m from the National Lottery Heritage Fund. Folkestone is a delightful mix of the old and the new, heritage and innovation.

Regeneration projects like the Harbour Arm keep the town feeling fresh and relevant, while its history is carefully preserved, as seen in the beautifully maintained old railway line adorned with stunning flowers and the exciting return of the Leas Lift. However, as KentLive reported earlier this month, plans for the transformation of Folkestone Harbour have encountered a hurdle after Folkestone and Hythe District Council voted against the contentious scheme.

The project, which includes 410 homes and 54 commercial units as part of the ongoing redevelopment of the town's harbour and seafront, now faces an uncertain future.

 

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

@Alf Bentley Did you say you where from Folkstone and wasn't very complimentary about it. Sorry if I've got it wrong.

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/seaside-town-named-uks-best-9906263?int_source=nba

Seaside town named UK's best for 2025 for its vibrant culture and golden beaches
The town is a hotbed of entertainment and culture and is a 'top-tier seaside spot'

ByMary HarrisLaura McKenna
04:00, 1 FEB 2025

The charming coastal town of Folkestone in Kent is already having a remarkable year. Following its recent recognition as the best place to live in the South East by the Sunday Times, it has now been crowned the top destination to visit in the UK for 2025 by Time Out.

This esteemed title is a testament to Folkestone's unique charm, which Time Out describes as a "top-tier seaside spot" with a "balmy, sweeping beach". On a sunny day, the town transforms into a tropical paradise, boasting crystal-clear waters and golden sands, with the added bonus of potentially spotting France across the horizon.

Regardless of the weather, Folkestone offers an exceptional experience, with a wide range of shopping, dining, and cultural attractions. The town exudes a youthful energy, with vibrant, colourful streets that are a far cry from its former, less glamorous days.

 

Visitors can explore the town's quirky independent boutiques, quaint cafes, and tantalising restaurants, making it easy to create a gastronomic 'to-do' list. One visitor to the town reported finding a cheap parking space in the town centre with ease, a welcome bonus that sets the tone for a wonderful day out.

Folkestone is a town brimming with positivity and charm, with attractions aplenty. The Harbour Arm is a particular highlight, boasting a variety of food stalls known for their friendly service and delicious offerings, reports the Mirror.

For those with a sweet tooth, the blondies - similar to brownies but made with brown sugar instead of cocoa - come highly recommended. The town also offers an array of unique bars and award-winning restaurants.

Cavells at Folkestone Harbour, run by the team behind the popular Big Greek Bus, serves up a tantalising selection of Greek, Lebanese and Syrian dishes. Little Rock, a seafood paradise managed by an all-female team, is tucked away in a shipping container just off Folkestone Harbour Arm.

 

Another must-visit is Rocksalt, a luxury seafood restaurant that was named among the UK's best restaurants with a view in 2022. It offers stunning views across the Channel and was a favourite of TV personality Kelly Brook when she lived in Kent.

Lastly, the Creative Quarter in the Old High Street is a visual delight, with its brightly-painted independent shops adding a splash of colour to the area.

Folkestone locals are quite fond of their unique shopping offerings, providing a welcome change from the everyday brands that typically dominate high streets across Britain. For those visiting, the town presents a plethora of options for picking up souvenirs and keepsakes to remember their journey.

The area's vibrant music scene is reflected in its array of music shops, while the presence of independent and vintage clothing stores means visitors may leave the seaside town with a heightened fashion sense.

One cannot miss out on visiting Kingsnorth Gardens, a "magical oasis" steeped in over a century of history, just a stone's throw from the town centre and conveniently close to Folkestone Central station, where Shorncliffe Road meets Cheriton Road. The gardens boast an enchanting blend of oriental, Italian and English formal themes, with April being the ideal time to witness a dazzling exhibition of colours – thanks to ornamental ponds, fountains, seasonal display beds, and rockery areas.

Standout features include magnificent specimen trees, notably the Japanese Acers with their eye-catching pink flowers due to bloom in April.

For those keen to further explore, Bouverie Place Shopping Centre and the Lower Leas Coastal Park are excellent destinations, while art enthusiasts will appreciate Anthony Gormley's commanding iron figure under the harbour arm and Cornelia Parker's impressive bronze mermaid perched atop the rocks above the beach.

If you're travelling from London, the journey to Folkestone is just under an hour from King's Cross railway station. You can also reach Calais from Folkestone via the Eurostar in a swift 35 minutes.

 

Time Out has recommended a fantastic itinerary for a day trip, offering a mix of outdoor activities, window shopping including art, and food stops. The Folkestone Triennial, which runs from July 19 to October 19 this year, delves into the historical roots of human settlement in the town.

Creative Folkestone, the organisers of the festival, encourage visitors to explore Folkestone's "deep past". Time Out heaps praise on Folkestone, stating: "For a while, Folkestone was something of an under-the-radar seaside destination – but those days are now long gone."

It further commends the Kentish town for its transformation into a top seaside spot, known for its vibrant, cobbled Old High Street filled with independent shops, a growing food scene, a warm beach, and beautiful natural surroundings.

Additionally, it recommends visiting the town's Leas Lift, a 'funicular' – two carriages on a track moving up and down a steep hill via a pulley system at the top. Despite being out of operation for years, this attraction was voted fifth in the Seaside Heritage Network's Bucket and Spade List of the Top 10 favourite seaside places and experiences in the UK last year.

However, things are about to take a turn. The cliffside lift, which shut down in 2016 and was added to the Heritage at Risk register after serving an impressive 36 million people, is scheduled to reopen in 2025.

This follows a successful fundraising campaign that amassed £6.6m, including £4.8m from the National Lottery Heritage Fund. Folkestone is a delightful mix of the old and the new, heritage and innovation.

Regeneration projects like the Harbour Arm keep the town feeling fresh and relevant, while its history is carefully preserved, as seen in the beautifully maintained old railway line adorned with stunning flowers and the exciting return of the Leas Lift. However, as KentLive reported earlier this month, plans for the transformation of Folkestone Harbour have encountered a hurdle after Folkestone and Hythe District Council voted against the contentious scheme.

The project, which includes 410 homes and 54 commercial units as part of the ongoing redevelopment of the town's harbour and seafront, now faces an uncertain future.

 

 

Thanks for posting that, Davie.

 

Yes, I grew up nearby and went to school in Folkestone. I've not lived in Kent for 40 years, but have visited a few times in recent years, as one of my nephews lives in Margate (a similar place, in many ways) and an old friend was living down there until recently.

 

Folkestone always blended sordid and sublime. It also seemed to have good and bad periods. A lot of coastal towns seem similar. It certainly has seen an upturn in recent years - largely because Roger de Haan, the ex-boss of Saga (based in Folkestone), has spent many of his millions on renovation, construction, cultural developments etc. Some of the compliments in that article are a bit OTT, though: "best place in the SE"; "balmy sweeping beaches"; "crystal clear waters"; "a tropical paradise"?!? 

 

When I was growing up, it had an odd mix of residents: blue-rinse Tory ladies and crusty retired military bods v. drug addicts, dole wallahs and winos....just like a lot of seaside towns. It also had a lot of jaded, small-c conservative attitudes. It always had a lovely promenade, funicular, a nice little harbour with narrow old streets and a sandy beach nearby. But most of the beaches are pebbles/shingle and most of the town was dull, decrepit and/or jaded. From what I've seen on recent visits, the area surrounding the harbour is much improved and well worth visiting. But there is still a fair bit of poverty and dull, jaded streets away from the harbour. Some of my ex-wife's Hinckley family went there for a short break a couple of years ago - and came back commenting on how "rough" it seemed...

 

It went further downhill after the Channel Tunnel eliminated the ferry trade (though it continues from nearby Dover), but has been on the up since all the development investment in the last decade or two.

 

If I just slagged the place off before, that was unfair. It was always an odd mix - like most seaside towns. I'd never want to live there again, but that's largely because I had a miserable time as a teenager there and no longer have any local connections. I do retain some fondness for the place, though, and I can imagine how someone could have an idyllic day or two there, if the sun was out and they didn't stray too far from the harbour and surrounding streets.

Edited 1 February by Alf Bentley

[Daggers]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Well I had a very quiet week in the clink for my part in the demise of the old General News thread. I won't be able to contribute to the new one either, which (looking for the upside) will probably be better for my mental health. 

 

I'd just like to say to @Dr The Singh, we may disagree sometimes but I'll buy you a pint anytime. 

Don't leave your's unattended near him, that's all I'm saying.

[Tuna]

On 28/01/2025 at 18:52, Daggers said:

Glossing over anything else, I don’t get how anybody goes to some place like this and takes holiday snaps. 
 

Surely it’s a place for silent contemplation and respect, not a ‘look at where the fvck I’ve been’ location? 

If I ever visited I wouldn't dream of taking any photos whatsoever. Not the time, or the place. It's a sickening modern trend.

[HighPeakFox]

24 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Don't leave your's unattended near him, that's all I'm saying.

Any chance of not making a joke, just this once? 😂

[HighPeakFox]

Food for thought, eh @leicsmac?

 

The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president, by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University.

 

“I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don't know, I'm an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes.

 

Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of "The Art of the Deal," a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you've read The Art of the Deal, or if you've followed Trump lately, you'll know, even if you didn't know the label, that he sees all dealmaking as what we call "distributive bargaining."

 

Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you're fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump's world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins.

The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don't have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over.

 

The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can't demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren't binary. China's choices aren't (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don't buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation.

One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you're going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don't have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won't agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you're going to have to find another cabinet maker.

 

There isn't another Canada. So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already.

 

Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem.

Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that's just not how politics works, not over the long run. For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here's another huge problem for us.

 

Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it.

 

From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. He's bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld.”

 

— David Honig

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

Food for thought, eh @leicsmac?

 

The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president, by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University.

 

“I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don't know, I'm an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes.

 

Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of "The Art of the Deal," a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you've read The Art of the Deal, or if you've followed Trump lately, you'll know, even if you didn't know the label, that he sees all dealmaking as what we call "distributive bargaining."

 

Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you're fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump's world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins.

The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don't have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over.

 

The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can't demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren't binary. China's choices aren't (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don't buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation.

One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you're going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don't have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won't agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you're going to have to find another cabinet maker.

 

There isn't another Canada. So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already.

 

Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem.

Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that's just not how politics works, not over the long run. For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here's another huge problem for us.

 

Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it.

 

From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. He's bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld.”

 

— David Honig

I think that's incredibly astute.

 

It explains his actions perfectly, and just how limited they are but how negative they can be.

[The Bear]

tldr - Trump is as thick as pigshit

 

You can distill 99% of his interactions with the world to that sentence. 

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, The Bear said:

tldr - Trump is as thick as pigshit

 

You can distill 99% of his interactions with the world to that sentence. 

Right.

 

But then Clarks Law comes into play.

 

“any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”

 

[BenTheFox]

It's so funny how Americans refer to Europe as one entity and not many countries with vastly different architecture, cuisine, languages, climate, culture etc. Seville and Stoke-on-Trent have very different vibes. 

[The Bear]

35 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Right.

 

But then Clarks Law comes into play.

 

“any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”

 

Oh yeah he's practically a sociopath. Just not a very clever one as he's been enabled by the hangers on around him. 

[bovril]

38 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

It's so funny how Americans refer to Europe as one entity and not many countries with vastly different architecture, cuisine, languages, climate, culture etc. Seville and Stoke-on-Trent have very different vibes. 

Many Americans think their country is "multicultural" and then when you ask them how it's just restaurants. 

[Parafox]

On 01/02/2025 at 17:49, Tuna said:

If I ever visited I wouldn't dream of taking any photos whatsoever. Not the time, or the place. It's a sickening modern trend.

I think many people go just so they can say "I've been to Auschwitz". They kind of understand and get the history and the significance but still feel the urge to boast about having been there.

 

It's grim and sad and emotional but not something most right thinking, knowledgeable would brag about on FB with accompanying photos.

 

Go, and be moved and humbled. I was.

 

 

Edited 2 February by Parafox

[BenTheFox]

On 30/01/2025 at 16:32, RonnieTodger said:

Celtic fans would wear the kit to their own wedding

Was on the train to Glasgow on Thursday and there were loads of their fans coming back from Birmingham after they'd played Villa. The uniform is either a khaki North Face jacket or head to toe in the contents of the club shop. They shag the club shop Arsenal style. 

[BenTheFox]

There were Leiceater fans on my train back singing about Reform, Farage, small boats, Starmer dying etc. Deeply embarrassing and tragic. I was a bit pissed so I showed how annoyed I was and some lad said "are you happy for p****s to come and rape your daughter?" to me. His mate told him to leave it. I can't believe he said that word out loud on a full train. 

[leicsmac]

13 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

There were Leiceater fans on my train back singing about Reform, Farage, small boats, Starmer dying etc. Deeply embarrassing and tragic. I was a bit pissed so I showed how annoyed I was and some lad said "are you happy for p****s to come and rape your daughter?" to me. His mate told him to leave it. I can't believe he said that word out loud on a full train. 

Sadly, the current climate has emboldened the bigots as they figure they are in the ascendant in terms of power once again.

 

It's unfortunate that it may well end up taking effort - and I fear blood on the floor - to convince them otherwise.

[HighPeakFox]

23 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

There were Leiceater fans on my train back singing about Reform, Farage, small boats, Starmer dying etc. Deeply embarrassing and tragic. I was a bit pissed so I showed how annoyed I was and some lad said "are you happy for p****s to come and rape your daughter?" to me. His mate told him to leave it. I can't believe he said that word out loud on a full train. 

I went to a deeply bad 0-0 at Preston at some point in the noughties, and there were lads singing stupid songs about all sorts then.... same boneheadedness, different times.

[Daggers]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

 

But then

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Right.

 

But then Clarks Law comes into play.

 

“any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”

 

comes into play.

 

Hanlon, shurely?

 

 

[ozleicester]

.

Edited 3 February by ozleicester

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, Daggers said:

Hanlon, shurely?

 

 

From what I know, it's an extension of Hanlon's.

 

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence, but any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

 

In any case, the man himself may be incompetent, but he has backers and followers who are very competent, very driven and very malicious. And that has connotations for a great many people in a great many places.