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Posted
1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

That why I said they are ok for this season but need phasing out.

 

I never said it needed to be done in 18 days. 

Yes, I know. It was more of a general moan, according to FT we need to replace 90% of the squad because they're shit, lazy, they're attitude stinks, they don't want to be here etc.... 

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Remember when we were talking about this dude playing for Inglund?

 

Has never recovered from that performance at Blackburn when he was dragged at half time (IIRC). One of the worst single-half performances I’ve ever seen in a City shirt.

 

After that he pretty much disappeared until recently.

 

Another player Ruined by Rodgers™

 

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Posted
19 minutes ago, trooky said:

Yes, I know. It was more of a general moan, according to FT we need to replace 90% of the squad because they're shit, lazy, they're attitude stinks, they don't want to be here etc.... 

sounds spot on from what i’ve seen over the last 18 months

Posted
4 hours ago, Sammytielemans8 said:

its not a last night issue mate tbh. years of rudkin handing out contracts to bang average players that are grossly overpaid for their actual contribution to the team. luke, along with a few others, falls well into that category

 

Should have been flogged long ago

I can agree a little on that but think you’ve particularly got it wrong with Thomas, and he’ll prove it further into the season. He is third choice at the end of the day at fullback for crying out loud!

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Posted
8 hours ago, lcfc sheff said:

Justin is a strong rb/lb and part of the three cbs in defensive shape, I agree but that wasn’t the role Thomas played last night 

I’m saying that Justin would be better at playing the role on the left that Thomas played last night. 

Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Talking of taking the spotlight off players, it feels more like certain people who've been pining for Nelson and Alves for years are trying to divert the shit away from how bad they were. 

 

I wonder how many still think we should play Okoli and Nelson all season?

 

I think Thomas gets way too hard a time if anything. Even since he's had his mini resurgence, there's always some who can't wait to go in on him. 

It’s the “I told you so” bias. Those that decided he wasn’t good enough, just can’t wait to get an opportunity to be right about it. 
 

He can be decent for 10 games but one stinker and everyone will come out the woodwork to say he’s not good enough 

 

im personally more guilty of the opposite. Get over excited when someone has a good game. But **** you Soumare you’re not getting me like that again lol

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1 minute ago, Lambert09 said:

It’s the “I told you so” bias. Those that decided he wasn’t good enough, just can’t wait to get an opportunity to be right about it. 
 

He can be decent for 10 games but one stinker and everyone will come out the woodwork to say he’s not good enough 

As a defensive fullback Thomas is fine at this level, but as the fifth attacker expected to combine and create opportunities high up the pitch he’s just not got the attributes. He isn’t going to run past someone, isn’t going to dribble past someone, not likely to assist/score.
As I’ve said before, his whole body shape, and unusual kicking style is predisposed to hooking the ball backwards to a spare centre back. 

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2 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

As a defensive fullback Thomas is fine at this level, but as the fifth attacker expected to combine and create opportunities high up the pitch he’s just not got the attributes. He isn’t going to run past someone, isn’t going to dribble past someone, not likely to assist/score.
As I’ve said before, his whole body shape, and unusual kicking style is predisposed to hooking the ball backwards to a spare centre back. 

Scoring and creating goals won’t be our problem this season. Stopping them will. 
 

personally I’m more bothered if he’s doing the defensive work right this year. 
 

leave the creativity to mavi, monga and fatawu 🤷‍♂️

Posted
3 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Scoring and creating goals won’t be our problem this season. Stopping them will. 
 

personally I’m more bothered if he’s doing the defensive work right this year. 
 

leave the creativity to mavi, monga and fatawu 🤷‍♂️

Sorry. Who exactly is scoring the goals? Thomas can keep Mo Salah quiet for 90 mins but our weeks as piss midfield is going to leak possession like a crack dealer in central London. Thomas isn’t the problem. 

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Posted
8 hours ago, RoboFox said:

Remember when we were talking about this dude playing for Inglund?

 

Has never recovered from that performance at Blackburn when he was dragged at half time (IIRC). One of the worst single-half performances I’ve ever seen in a City shirt.

 

After that he pretty much disappeared until recently.

 

Another player Ruined by Rodgers™

 

No! 

Posted
34 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Scoring and creating goals won’t be our problem this season. Stopping them will. 
 

personally I’m more bothered if he’s doing the defensive work right this year. 
 

leave the creativity to mavi, monga and fatawu 🤷‍♂️

But the point is Cifuentes isn’t leaving the creativity to those players. His system currently utilises the left back to create a 5 man attack when in possession. He expects the centre backs, right back and 2 centre mids to be in the 5 more deeper defensive positions.

Posted
8 hours ago, trooky said:

Yes, I know. It was more of a general moan, according to FT we need to replace 90% of the squad because they're shit, lazy, they're attitude stinks, they don't want to be here etc.... 

And you disagree?

Posted
10 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Talking of taking the spotlight off players, it feels more like certain people who've been pining for Nelson and Alves for years are trying to divert the shit away from how bad they were. 

 

I wonder how many still think we should play Okoli and Nelson all season?

 

I think Thomas gets way too hard a time if anything. Even since he's had his mini resurgence, there's always some who can't wait to go in on him. 

He's been scapegoated for several seasons now - too frail, too short blah, blah. When he Barnes and KDH were linking up on the left they made a thoroughly good unit. But Rodgers slide into incompetence saw the fans begin to slag off players. Older men can deal with it, but it can destroy confidence in younger players. 

Watching him on Sunday he hardly put a foot wrong. He's much better than some bully boys would have us believe. 

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Posted
8 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

I’m saying that Justin would be better at playing the role on the left that Thomas played last night. 

He really wouldn’t it’s a complete myth. He’s best on the right and crap at that, particularly with his positioning. When on the left, and times a great healer and some forget, his positioning was even worse and his one footedness came to the fore big style. Absolutely hopeless on the left.

Posted
11 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

I’m saying that Justin would be better at playing the role on the left that Thomas played last night. 

I think you’d have been equally as disappointed if he’d played that role. Agree to disagree 

Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, Bourbon Fox said:

And you disagree?

Our aim is promotion, long term our aim is premiership stability again,  this squad has prooved under inept managers they're not good enough for the PL. 

 

Its all about the timing, I still think we will need some of them this year because our hands are tied financially and if we replace players that can do a good job in the Championship we're unlikely to replace them with premiership quality this seasons.

 

If I was DOF this season I would get rid of the players who aren't good enough for their position or surpless.

 

Coulibaly, Souttar, Soumare, Choudhury (CM), Skipp, Wanya, Decordova-Reid,  Daka. 

 

If we loose Winks, BEK, or Fatawu then we have to replace them. 

 

Then recruit 2 new midfielders, and 2 new strikers, but Nelson, Alves, Monga, Page and Aluko should get plenty of game time. 

 

Once we're back in the PL try and overhaul the squad to improve the quality. The only players I wouldn't sell would be BEK, Fatawu and the academy lads I mentioned. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

He really wouldn’t it’s a complete myth. He’s best on the right and crap at that, particularly with his positioning. When on the left, and times a great healer and some forget, his positioning was even worse and his one footedness came to the fore big style. Absolutely hopeless on the left.

Justin’s better on the left for me than he has ever been on the right, that’s where he was playing when he was capped by England and where he was playing at his peak for us. I know he can’t use his left foot but the left back in this system is expected at times to be inside of the winger and very advanced, his right footedness encourages this cutting in. Don’t get me wrong, he’s far from ideal but from an attacking perspective he is better than Thomas. As we expect to be more on the front foot I’d favour the attacking attributes of JJ over the defensive attributes of Thomas. 

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He's definitely got flaws to his game and when he has a bad game its very noticeable, but he's still got ability and is perfectly fine for Championship level - especially as he's 'one of our own' and actually born-and-bred Leicester unlike some of our academy graduates over recent years.

 

Since he came through in the covid season, he's been at the club through 6 different permanent managers, had a loan out, and had inconsistent involvement in numerous different systems. Once he's in a settled side with a clear role - as well as teammates who aren't making mistakes and inviting extra pressure - I think we'll start to see much better output from him. Still only 24 so not done developing yet.

 

Not expecting miracles, but hoping for consistency at this level. Not going to write him off after a cup game where everyone was dire.

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4 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Justin’s better on the left for me than he has ever been on the right, that’s where he was playing when he was capped by England and where he was playing at his peak for us. I know he can’t use his left foot but the left back in this system is expected at times to be inside of the winger and very advanced, his right footedness encourages this cutting in. Don’t get me wrong, he’s far from ideal but from an attacking perspective he is better than Thomas. As we expect to be more on the front foot I’d favour the attacking attributes of JJ over the defensive attributes of Thomas. 

That snippet in time when he had a few good performances on the left is absolutely years ago now and, probably down to injuries and certainly not attitude, he’s declined drastically and is an absolute shadow of his former self. We should be looking at his latter appearances on the left and not those back in history. His attacking play was appalling as he continually cut inside or had to play backwards so I really don’t know when you were watching.

 

As for Thomas, you would have to question what his orders are and that sometimes depends on the system and who he has in front of him. He certainly can attack if required to because he was formerly a winger at Leicester City and only converted to a fullback initially in training with the first team due to shortages and injuries. He subsequently did well and was going well until messed about by a certain manager.

Posted
19 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

As a defensive fullback Thomas is fine at this level, but as the fifth attacker expected to combine and create opportunities high up the pitch he’s just not got the attributes. He isn’t going to run past someone, isn’t going to dribble past someone, not likely to assist/score.
As I’ve said before, his whole body shape, and unusual kicking style is predisposed to hooking the ball backwards to a spare centre back. 

I can’t stand to see him call for the ball just to send it back, the same Soumare and JJ. They all get PTSD when they look forwards with the ball at their feet. 

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