Dan Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 46 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: Attempts on goal created from dead ball situations according to fbref. Utterly laughable Liverpool 99 Brentford 83 Manchester City 79 Brighton 77 Burnley 77 Newcastle Utd 75 Aston Villa 73 Arsenal 65 West Ham 65 Everton 64 Manchester Utd 64 Southampton 64 Leeds United 62 Chelsea 60 Norwich City 59 Crystal Palace 54 Watford 53 Tottenham 52 Wolves 40 Leicester City 33 It's ridiculous and these are the fundamental kind of things a manager is responsible for. I stress this has been a problem for two years, not one. It's not a one off. I'd be interested to see the defending stats here as well. I feel like for as many as we let in we've got away with quite a few too. Watford could've scored 3/4 from them last week.
Dan Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 17 minutes ago, AKCJ said: It's necessary because it gves perspective. Something Leicester fans apparently lack. Is finishing 8th and being in the semi final of the Conference league setting the bar low? I don't think it is, especially when you take in the perspective that for large parts of the season we were missing our best fullbacks, our best centre backs, our best defensive midfielder and our best striker. Not sure why Brendan's wage particularly matters. The players are the ones that go out there and play and we've got the 7th most expensive squad in the division in terms of wages and the 8th most expensive in terms of transfer fees. How is it lacking perspective to factor in the fact it's possibly our strongest squad in that time. Surely that's broadening the perspective rather than lacking it? I just don't like the way these things are spun. 2
Dames Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 10 minutes ago, Fox92 said: It doesn't but people are obsessed with it. I mean it does because a) we can't afford a payoff and b) it stops us recruiting potentially another first team player because of budget restrictions. A club of our size and revenue shouldn't be paying as much as we are for a manager.
Ric Flair Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 Did we win any points in the last 10 mins this season in the league? Honestly can't remember us doing so and certainly not in the last few mins, but we bloody threw 15+ away!!!
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 16 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: It's ridiculous and these are the fundamental kind of things a manager is responsible for. I stress this has been a problem for two years, not one. It's not a one off. I'd be interested to see the defending stats here as well. I feel like for as many as we let in we've got away with quite a few too. Watford could've scored 3/4 from them last week. Here we are. Attempts on own goal created from dead ball situations. As suspected, doesn't make good reading Leicester City 98 Tottenham 84 Norwich City 80 Leeds United 78 Watford 74 Everton 72 Burnley 71 Crystal Palace 71 Aston Villa 70 Manchester Utd 70 Newcastle Utd 70 Wolves 63 Southampton 60 Brighton 59 Arsenal 56 Brentford 55 West Ham Utd 53 Chelsea 45 Manchester City 36 Liverpool 33
AKCJ Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said: How is it lacking perspective to factor in the fact it's possibly our strongest squad in that time. Surely that's broadening the perspective rather than lacking it? I just don't like the way these things are spun. Then the perspective should be that we're in a much better place now than we were when Rodgers took over.
BenTheFox Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 48 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: Here we are. Attempts on own goal created from dead ball situations. As suspected, doesn't make good reading Leicester City 98 Tottenham 84 Norwich City 80 Leeds United 78 Watford 74 Everton 72 Burnley 71 Crystal Palace 71 Aston Villa 70 Manchester Utd 70 Newcastle Utd 70 Wolves 63 Southampton 60 Brighton 59 Arsenal 56 Brentford 55 West Ham Utd 53 Chelsea 45 Manchester City 36 Liverpool 33 That is absolutely terrifying.
Rhysm Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: It seems coherant to me that if you have small players who are technically proficient in open play then then the trade off is thy are not adept in set piece situations. Of course it's not mutually exclusive as Liverpool would suggest but maybe its not feasible for everyone to have 6ft 4 Rolls Royce defenders like Virgil Van Dijk and the best manager in the game supported by world class coaches even for set pieces and throw ins. Brighton play decent football and are right up there. We definitely need to improve by a lot next year.
Dan Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: Here we are. Attempts on own goal created from dead ball situations. As suspected, doesn't make good reading Leicester City 98 Tottenham 84 Norwich City 80 Leeds United 78 Watford 74 Everton 72 Burnley 71 Crystal Palace 71 Aston Villa 70 Manchester Utd 70 Newcastle Utd 70 Wolves 63 Southampton 60 Brighton 59 Arsenal 56 Brentford 55 West Ham Utd 53 Chelsea 45 Manchester City 36 Liverpool 33 I'm convinced we're the worst side at them in Europe. Totally embarrassing numbers but totally expected as well. There's a lot we can improve in our game but if we became even average at set pieces we'd have qualified for Europe at a canter. 24 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Then the perspective should be that we're in a much better place now than we were when Rodgers took over. This would've been true a year or two ago. It's open to debate now. We finished on the same points tally as 2018/19 and overperformed many performance metrics to do so.
coolhandfox Posted 24 May 2022 Posted 24 May 2022 1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said: How is it lacking perspective to factor in the fact it's possibly our strongest squad in that time. Surely that's broadening the perspective rather than lacking it? I just don't like the way these things are spun. 100% if they are all fit. It also fact that Vardy (20), Ndidi (17), Evans (16), Riccardo (13) , Justin (11) and Fofana (7) started 20 PL games or less. A whole first choice back 4 missing nearly a third of a season, without factoring in how many of those start they were actually match fit. 1
Popular Post Fox92 Posted 24 May 2022 Author Popular Post Posted 24 May 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dames said: I mean it does because a) we can't afford a payoff and b) it stops us recruiting potentially another first team player because of budget restrictions. A club of our size and revenue shouldn't be paying as much as we are for a manager. So we shouldn't be competing for top 6 then? "A club our size". Which other club(s) in the division do you think are our size? They might pay lower wages to their manager but they won't have achieved half of what Rodgers has here. In fact, people bang on about him being the 4th or 5th highest paid manager? I don't know which it is. But only Pep, Klopp and Tunchel have won a trophy like Rodgers has. That's on top of him competiting for top 6 for two consecutive seasons at "a club of our size". Edited 24 May 2022 by Fox92 5
jmono84 Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 18 hours ago, BenTheFox said: That is absolutely terrifying. Working on set pieces has to be a priority. I can accept not being that good at them but to be this bad is neglecting a key part of football! I knew we were awful but didn’t realise the stats were this bad attacking and defending them.
Guest Col city fan Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 Just now, jmono84 said: Working on set pieces has to be a priority. I can accept not being that good at them but to be this bad is neglecting a key part of football! I knew we were awful but didn’t realise the stats were this bad attacking and defending them. The stats for set pieces conceded this season are, I think, the worst for any team since the Premier League began
Jabfox Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 9 minutes ago, Col city fan said: The stats for set pieces conceded this season are, I think, the worst for any team since the Premier League began No way, that's mental if true 😂
Paninistickers Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 18 hours ago, Dan LCFC said: I'm convinced we're the worst side at them in Europe. Totally embarrassing numbers but totally expected as well. There's a lot we can improve in our game but if we became even average at set pieces we'd have qualified for Europe at a canter. This would've been true a year or two ago. It's open to debate now. We finished on the same points tally as 2018/19 and overperformed many performance metrics to do so. ....and that is what gives me a bit of confidence. The deficiency is actually fixable. Knock that 98 to even a relatively poor 75, we are maybe 4 goals and 5 or 6 points better off.
volpeazzurro Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 19 hours ago, AKCJ said: Then the perspective should be that we're in a much better place now than we were when Rodgers took over. Absolutely. I wonder how he would have coped however if he'd inherited Puel's squad and situation at the club 🤔. He came to a good situation lest we forget. 3
Aus Fox Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: The stats for set pieces conceded this season are, I think, the worst for any team since the Premier League began Well, Everton were worse than us this season alone! 4
Dames Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 19 hours ago, Fox92 said: So we shouldn't be competing for top 6 then? "A club our size". Which other club(s) in the division do you think are our size? They might pay lower wages to their manager but they won't have achieved half of what Rodgers has here. In fact, people bang on about him being the 4th or 5th highest paid manager? I don't know which it is. But only Pep, Klopp and Tunchel have won a trophy like Rodgers has. That's on top of him competiting for top 6 for two consecutive seasons at "a club of our size". Rodgers is the one that tells us we shouldn’t be expecting to finish 5th or competing every season despite being paid 10 million pounds per annum. As for size its in terms of revenue, we pull in 32,500 on matchdays roughly which is at the bottom end of the scale in the league and our commercial revenues are middle of the pack at best. So no in terms of revenue we shouldnt be forking out 200k per week for a manager when that could be another high quality first team player. Especially when ‘the budget is tight’ as we keep being told. 3
Aus Fox Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 54 minutes ago, Dames said: Rodgers is the one that tells us we shouldn’t be expecting to finish 5th or competing every season despite being paid 10 million pounds per annum. As for size its in terms of revenue, we pull in 32,500 on matchdays roughly which is at the bottom end of the scale in the league and our commercial revenues are middle of the pack at best. So no in terms of revenue we shouldnt be forking out 200k per week for a manager when that could be another high quality first team player. Especially when ‘the budget is tight’ as we keep being told. What about if it’s a manager that is getting us genuinely competing with the top six? Getting our name out there in Europe, winning trophies? You said it yourself, financially we are midtable, yet under Brendan we have been able to challenge for the top six spots. The money we save by downgrading the managers pay is not really a high quality pay, it’s the sort of pay a decent squad player is on now. When BR tells us we shouldn’t expect to be top 6 every season, like it or not, he’s correct. There are Six teams in this league, who financially, are on another planet, they’re on another planet in terms of players who they can attract too. We should always be on the hunt for finishing best of the rest, and if a few things go our way, maybe grab a top six slot. Since the PL began, how many teams outside the biggest financially backed teams at the time, have been able to consistently challenge over three seasons for a European spot? 1 2
coolhandfox Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 1 hour ago, Dames said: Rodgers is the one that tells us we shouldn’t be expecting to finish 5th or competing every season despite being paid 10 million pounds per annum. He said we had no right to be in the top 6, but then said he want to get back challenging for the top 6 next season. What's wrong with that? 1 hour ago, Dames said: As for size its in terms of revenue, we pull in 32,500 on matchdays roughly which is at the bottom end of the scale in the league and our commercial revenues are middle of the pack at best. So no in terms of revenue we shouldnt be forking out 200k per week for a manager when that could be another high quality first team player. Especially when ‘the budget is tight’ as we keep being told. So we should spend less on the most important football role in the club? If we could get Diego Simeone or Roberto Mancini for 10m a year would you want us to employ them or spend less? Or is it just because we are spend 10m on Rodgers? 2
Dames Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 1 minute ago, coolhandfox said: He said we had no right to be in the top 6, but then said he want to get back challenging for the top 6 next season. What's wrong with that? So we should spend less on the most important football role in the club? If we could get Diego Simeone or Roberto Mancini for 10m a year would you want us to employ them or spend less? Or is it just because we are spend 10m on Rodgers? I was referring to the poster saying so we shouldn't be competing. I've always maintained we should be competing and have the squad to do much better than we have. Its Rodgers that has constantly downplayed expectations. Its my opinion but we shouldn't be spending more than 5 million a year on a manager, any manager, not just Rodgers. A club like ours which usually operates in quite a savvy way should not be investing that amount into an asset that does not increase in/or maintain value. After watching us nearly go out of business it always annoys me to see the club make financial decisions based on sentimentality. We've had many bad runs under Rodgers, what if the next one doesn't turn around and we are in relegation trouble? We can't afford to pay him off then we're stuck, if we go down we are in dire financial trouble. Its very unlikely but we were not mathematically safe until matchday 35 this season. 1
hejammy Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 1 hour ago, Dames said: Rodgers is the one that tells us we shouldn’t be expecting to finish 5th or competing every season despite being paid 10 million pounds per annum. As for size its in terms of revenue, we pull in 32,500 on matchdays roughly which is at the bottom end of the scale in the league and our commercial revenues are middle of the pack at best. So no in terms of revenue we shouldnt be forking out 200k per week for a manager when that could be another high quality first team player. Especially when ‘the budget is tight’ as we keep being told. The thing is, he doesn't control that, the club offered him that and he took it, like with any other job/person - no one will say "no thank you can you pay me less please" 1
Dames Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 4 minutes ago, hejammy said: The thing is, he doesn't control that, the club offered him that and he took it, like with any other job/person - no one will say "no thank you can you pay me less please" No I understand that but also when you accept a raise like that you are also accepting that you have to maintain the standards that earned you that raise in the first place. Those same standards have been nowhere to be seen this season. It is an annoyance I have with the senior leadership of the club, its not the first time they've handed out contracts based on sentimentality.
hejammy Posted 25 May 2022 Posted 25 May 2022 2 minutes ago, Dames said: No I understand that but also when you accept a raise like that you are also accepting that you have to maintain the standards that earned you that raise in the first place. Those same standards have been nowhere to be seen this season. It is an annoyance I have with the senior leadership of the club, its not the first time they've handed out contracts based on sentimentality. I think a lot of us need to take a step back and actually think about this season properly, yes some games have been turgid and boring, however we have finished in 8th place and got to a semi final of a European competition. If you look back on this on paper it seems like a decent season. 4th highest ever finish in the premier league. When you take into account all the injuries etc that we have had I would say that's very decent. So to use your term "maintaining standards" I believe that BR has done that, has he made mistakes along the way? Yes ofcourse which manager hasn't! BR is proven to be a great coach especially of young talent so perhaps with our "ethos" of purchasing potential young talent - he is the best man for it in the eyes of the leadership team and thus "deserving" of the contract he has? 2 1
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