Brendan Rodgers

[BKLFox]

Rodgers / Top, Top / Rodgers they are on the same page just because Top has mentioned going for the domestic cups in his post season spread doesn’t reflect he is at odds with Rodgers, he is rallying us the fans, basically saying ok we are not in Europe so we are going to have a good crack at the cups.

If people weren’t so deaf they would hear this every post/pre season along with probably 17 other club owners

Edited 3 June 2022 by BKLFox

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, BKLFox said:

Rodgers / Top, Top / Rodgers they are on the same page just because Top has mentioned going for the domestic cups in his post season spread doesn’t reflect he is at odds with Rodgers, he is rallying us the fans, basically saying ok we are not in Europe so we are going to have a good crack at the cups.

If people weren’t so deaf they would hear this every post/pre season along with probably 17 other club owners

Glad someone else isn’t utterly blind to this.

 

Fighting for those things is little different to what Rodgers has said. Doesn’t mean not getting them is failure when your budget wouldn’t naturally put you in those places. 
 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-brendan-rodgers-tottenham-6536486.amp

[Babylon]

Unless Top comes out and gives him a budget close to the top 6’s, Top can say what he wants. The reality is Rodgers comments are far closer to the mark (not that Top said anything wrong, aiming to fight for those things is fine).  It Rodgers added some realism to go with it. 
 

At times he’s definitely tried to cover himself, but I’m more concerned with the full as dishwater football, not what he says. 

[Leeds Fox]

38 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Unless Top comes out and gives him a budget close to the top 6’s, Top can say what he wants. The reality is Rodgers comments are far closer to the mark (not that Top said anything wrong, aiming to fight for those things is fine).  It Rodgers added some realism to go with it. 
 

At times he’s definitely tried to cover himself, but I’m more concerned with the full as dishwater football, not what he says. 

I think the fact Top is a businessman makes him see the club differently than we do. 
 

For example, we are entering a period of transition. This can’t always be achieved in one summer. The long term plan maybe to stay safe in the PL for a season, go for a cup as a bonus and rebuild slowly.

 

Also buying him time to decide whether Rodgers is the man for the long-term plan without having to make any rash business decisions.

 

It’s a bit tedious for us fans, but long-term it’s probably a great way to run the club and assess the future. 

[CosbehFox]

The more I’ve considered it. I think this 7 signing rebuild is very risky this season with the World Cup break. 
 

Chop the squad down and get 4 quality players in. Trying to bed in 5 or more strikes me a risk in a congested, interrupted season. 

[Pinkman]

Really do hope we get it right in terms of recruitment this summer. Can't say I have much faith though, especially when we're on a tight budget financially and the £35m we spent on two players last summer have already been made available for transfer.

[CosbehFox]

4 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Not saying you’re wrong btw, but just curious where has the number 7 came from? 

Just the impression off some of the press articles where they used Palace’s last summer as an example rather than anything solid 

Edited 3 June 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[sacreblueits442]

46 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Nothing personal, but you do post some random crap at times. 

....it is clear that there are issues not being addressed or perceived until the media starts to point it out!!!

  You don't start leaving three men upfield on corners against your team just for the sake of it. We are now all talking about more staff coming in and specialist coaches joining the group, just to cover his blind spots.

  He has made major blunders and failing to get in the top 4 twice, was down to poor management and a weak mentality.

 

[Leeds Fox]

12 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Just the impression off some of the press articles where they used Palace’s last summer as an example rather than anything solid 

Palace had much fewer players available than us this time last year. Hopefully we aren’t rebuilding on that scale. 

[Foxxed]

4 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Nothing personal, but you do post some random crap at times. 

How was it not personal?

[coolhandfox]

4 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....it is clear that there are issues not being addressed or perceived until the media starts to point it out!!!

  You don't start leaving three men upfield on corners against your team just for the sake of it. We are now all talking about more staff coming in and specialist coaches joining the group, just to cover his blind spots.

  He has made major blunders and failing to get in the top 4 twice, was down to poor management and a weak mentality.

 

No credit for being the first manager to get us back to back top 5 finishes. 

Edited 3 June 2022 by coolhandfox

[sacreblueits442]

3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

No credit for being the first manager to get us back to back top 5 finishes. 

...we can't  keep looking backwards and comparing, it is not like for like.!!!

I would suspect any other manager finishing 7th back to back would receive similar praise as the best finish by the club since whenever. The fact that we could in both circumstances have secured 4th way before the end of both seasons, and then collapse on the last day took a massive gloss off 2 good seasons. This along with his previous foray in this league where he failed to secure a title, that was his to lose, and he subsequently managed to lose it.

[Guest454545]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...we can't  keep looking backwards and comparing, it is not like for like.!!!

I would suspect any other manager finishing 7th back to back would receive similar praise as the best finish by the club since whenever. The fact that we could in both circumstances have secured 4th way before the end of both seasons, and then collapse on the last day took a massive gloss off 2 good seasons. This along with his previous foray in this league where he failed to secure a title, that was his to lose, and he subsequently managed to lose it.

These two things contradict each other. You can't be "looking backwards and comparing" selectively, while telling others not to look backwards and compare 🙂

 

He also won the league with us twice, without bottling it (including an invincible domestic season), something his successor couldn't do in his only full season back with us. 

 

At some point when we talk about managers and their outcomes, we also have to acknowledge that the players are at least 50% of the "success equation". I think it's generally accepted and acknowledged that Gerrard's slip was more costly to them that year than anything Rodgers did.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Guest454545 said:

These two things contradict each other. You can't be "looking backwards and comparing" selectively, while telling others not to look backwards and compare 🙂

 

He also won the league with us twice, without bottling it (including an invincible domestic season), something his successor couldn't do in his only full season back with us. 

 

At some point when we talk about managers and their outcomes, we also have to acknowledge that the players are at least 50% of the "success equation". I think it's generally accepted and acknowledged that Gerrard's slip was more costly to them that year than anything Rodgers did.

...you surely  cannot be attributing an isolated mishap with the whole seasons campaign!!!

I keep on forgetting you are a Celtic supporter, when you said he won the league with us twice. I wasn't sure who you were talking about. We might be looking at Ange further down the line.

[coolhandfox]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...we can't  keep looking backwards and comparing, it is not like for like.!!!

I would suspect any other manager finishing 7th back to back would receive similar praise as the best finish by the club since whenever. The fact that we could in both circumstances have secured 4th way before the end of both seasons, and then collapse on the last day took a massive gloss off 2 good seasons. This along with his previous foray in this league where he failed to secure a title, that was his to lose, and he subsequently managed to lose it.

Classic, maybe you should take some of your own advice 

 

 

[Chrysalis]

12 hours ago, Babylon said:

Unless Top comes out and gives him a budget close to the top 6’s, Top can say what he wants. The reality is Rodgers comments are far closer to the mark (not that Top said anything wrong, aiming to fight for those things is fine).  It Rodgers added some realism to go with it. 
 

At times he’s definitely tried to cover himself, but I’m more concerned with the full as dishwater football, not what he says. 

Successful people dont accept standing still.  Ambition isnt a bad thing, and there is people who dont believe in social mobility in football, how dare Leicester win the EPL.  End of the day if the ownership of the club wants success, then it is what it is, a manager saying otherwise whilst failing to meet those targets whether some believe it to be realism or not will inevitably end in a parting of ways.

 

Of course the statement could just be to appease the fans, sell tickets and merchandise whilst the internal target might be to just keep our EPL status.  We will find out that out next season if Rodgers under achieves whilst keeping his job.

[Grebfromgrebland]

There's a massive sense of entitlement among our fans and it isn't a good look 

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

There's a massive sense of entitlement among our fans and it isn't a good look 

No there is not at all

 

Self entitlement is not the same as wanting the best for your club. We have fallen way way short of that this season. 
 

I don’t see (though I haven’t exactly looked hard either) anyone saying they expect Top 4/6 next season, or a cup. 
 

All we want is to be competitive and play for nice fast paced football too. Those things can go hand in hand and most definitely isn’t ‘self entitled’ 

 

Being satisfied with last season is basically akin having a losers mentality. I think it was Ric Flair that said, if last season was put into a book, you’d read the blurb and think it was quite a good season. Only once you open the book and read the chapters would you realise how bad it’s actually been. It’s chapter upon chapter of disasters. Far too many to list off the top of my head but we all know them. 
 

Keane, Neville and any player from that good United side always say that they never felt like they were really able to enjoy their title wins, cup wins etc etc. Because the day after lifting the trophy, their minds would be on the following season and what they wanted to achieve in it. Not resting on their laurels thinking about what they achieved yesterday. 
 

Now I’m not suggesting that we are Man Utd of old, nor that we should be, before anyone thinks I’m comparing the two clubs and says I’m self entitled. 
 

But we should be having a similar mentality in our club. Perhaps we actually do. But when our manager has to constantly remind us (and the media) of what we have achieved prior, it doesn’t seem that’s the case. 
 

Passing fans off as simply being ‘self entitled’ makes it seem like you’re dismissing the legitimate concerns of a lot of fans merely because you don’t want to confront the problems we’re faced with. Very ostrich like. 

 

 

Edited 4 June 2022 by The Year Of The Fox

[fuchsntf]

8 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you surely  cannot be attributing an isolated mishap with the whole seasons campaign!!!

I keep on forgetting you are a Celtic supporter, when you said he won the league with us twice. I wasn't sure who you were talking about. We might be looking at Ange further down the line.

Yeh..but you Must t agree. Rodgers & players got it all right up to that moment...for that Type & moment of error, it was 'Their season'

The shit around Rodgers for that season  is just that ,Gerrade mistakes cost them ..Not Rodgers..

 

[Babylon]

7 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Successful people dont accept standing still.  Ambition isnt a bad thing, and there is people who dont believe in social mobility in football, how dare Leicester win the EPL.  End of the day if the ownership of the club wants success, then it is what it is, a manager saying otherwise whilst failing to meet those targets whether some believe it to be realism or not will inevitably end in a parting of ways.

 

Of course the statement could just be to appease the fans, sell tickets and merchandise whilst the internal target might be to just keep our EPL status.  We will find out that out next season if Rodgers under achieves whilst keeping his job.

Successful people also aren’t ****ing stupid and will know that unless you match the investment of everyone else you expect to challenge, you are most likely to be pissing in the wind 99% of the time. 
 

Notice how he said “fight” for cups and “return as soon as possible”. You think Rodgers doesn’t want that? It’s a patently vague statement.

 

[Foxxed]

4 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

There's a massive sense of entitlement among our fans and it isn't a good look 

There's fans saying we should be doing better with our resources.

 

I think you know the difference between entitlement and reasonable expectation - why do you think it's entitlement and not reasonable expectation?

[splinterdream]

2 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

There's fans saying we should be doing better with our resources.

 

I think you know the difference between entitlement and reasonable expectation - why do you think it's entitlement and not reasonable expectation?

What are our resources though? I've just been discussing this in another thread.

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

There's fans saying we should be doing better with our resources.

 

I think you know the difference between entitlement and reasonable expectation - why do you think it's entitlement and not reasonable expectation?

What resources? A budget that would put us 8th/9th in the league anyway, or the players, most of which were missing for huge chunks of the season?

 

I've been highly critical of him, I'm not a fan of the style, he has to answer for some of the injury issues, dud signings, weird decisions etc. But, we aren't really underperforming in terms of position considering the budget and the injuries we've had. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

What resources? A budget that would put us 8th/9th in the league anyway, or the players, most of which were missing for huge chunks of the season?

 

I've been highly critical of him, I'm not a fan of the style, he has to answer for some of the injury issues, dud signings, weird decisions etc. But, we aren't really underperforming in terms of position considering the budget and the injuries we've had. 

I think we did. 
 

Again, on the face of it we probably haven’t this past season. But it’s very very basic errors that have cost us a higher league position (maybe even Europe) 

 

Im talking about the dropped points to Spurs, Everton and Newcastle primarily. The gulf in our resources may be huge. But simple marking problems, defensive errors, lack of control with the ball- any one of those have cost us the valuable points this season. These errors are not in correlation to the gulf in financial resources. If we were being pummelled every week you’d hold your hands up and say ‘look at their financial clout’ But we weren’t being pummelled every week 

[Babylon]

Just now, The Year Of The Fox said:

I think we did. 
 

Again, on the face of it we probably haven’t this past season. But it’s very very basic errors that have cost us a higher league position (maybe even Europe) 

 

Im talking about the dropped points to Spurs, Everton and Newcastle primarily. The gulf in our resources may be huge. But simple marking problems, defensive errors, lack of control with the ball- any one of those have cost us the valuable points this season. These errors are not in correlation to the gulf in financial resources. If we were being pummelled every week you’d hold your hands up and say ‘look at their financial clout’ But we weren’t being pummelled every week 

Two of those teams had, and now all three have greater "resources" than us now. 

 

Very basic errors, with some of his flaws perhaps compounded by the fact we've had to put together a makeshift back line for the vast majority of the season? Let alone the rest of the team.