Kamal Sowah

[Bert]

1 minute ago, ARM1968 said:

We need to bin 352. An option only but should not be our main formation. We had what, 2 or 3 decent results playing it?  Might have been all we could do with the injuries, but if we line up like that again I’m going to be miffed. 

The loss of Barnes was a big reason why we stopped playing 4231. 

[ARM1968]

Just now, Bert said:

The loss of Barnes was a big reason why we stopped playing 4231. 

I know. Hence why I mentioned injuries. We can’t start like that next season though, it just doesn’t work. 

[moore_94]

11 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

I know. Hence why I mentioned injuries. We can’t start like that next season though, it just doesn’t work. 

Good thing if Sowah is kept around for the upcoming season he can play on either wing to help with rotation and injuries etc

[mancunianfox]

22 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Madders gets some wickedly unfair pelters from idiots on here but he's sensational with his first touch and a turn. Perez is dreadful. He needs acres of space to be trusted to get the ball under control and turn with it. Even Okazaki was world class at that control and turn compared to Perez. 

I would love a player like Shinji in this squad, that would give us more flexibility. He was pretty unique though, not too many players like him about!

[theessexfox]

Wow he looks like the best player I've ever seen

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Some really intelligent stuff in those clips. 

Leuven fans say that he's as fast and relentless at running in the 1st minute as he is in injury time and that's what we've been missing in this squad. Barnes and Vardy do it but they do tire, this lad played nearly every minute of every game for them and I'd often tune in to their games that were finely poised and he'd be causing a lot of problems in the closing minutes.

 

His passing is apparently the thing that got worse as the season went on but hopefully under Rodgers that can be worked on, he is a very composed finisher and the technique looks sound. 

[Ric Flair]

56 minutes ago, Bert said:

The loss of Barnes was a big reason why we stopped playing 4231. 

2 seasons on the spin we had to go 3-4-1-2 down the stretch because we lost the odd player that is integral to playing 4-2-3-1, it's so frustrating that there's certain areas of the squad we have opted not to strengthen fully and therefore threaten our most dangerous way of playing.

 

We are crying out for a long term solution at right wing but we've also had no reliable back up to Barnes on the left either, it's mad. We need 2 new wingers + Sowah IMO if we want to compete across 4 competitions and play our best system as often as possible.

[Finnegan]

56 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

We need to bin 352. An option only but should not be our main formation. We had what, 2 or 3 decent results playing it?  Might have been all we could do with the injuries, but if we line up like that again I’m going to be miffed. 

 

I do agree but we've got no credible links to a winger anywhere but we're expanding the squad with:

 

A box to box midfielder 

A central striker

An attack minded full back

A recalled 10 from a loan spell 

 

That's on top of trying to sign one of the best 352 specialist wing backs in European football towards the end of the season. 

 

I really, really want us to play 4231/433/4141 but it's not looking overly likely so far. 

 

Not that I think our transfer business will finish with those 3 necessarily but it would be naive to expect big spending after Soumare and Edouard. That's just not how we've operated at all in recent years. 

 

I wouldn't bet against 352 being Brendan's starting formation. 

[dmayne7]

23 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

2 seasons on the spin we had to go 3-4-1-2 down the stretch because we lost the odd player that is integral to playing 4-2-3-1, it's so frustrating that there's certain areas of the squad we have opted not to strengthen fully and therefore threaten our most dangerous way of playing.

 

We are crying out for a long term solution at right wing but we've also had no reliable back up to Barnes on the left either, it's mad. We need 2 new wingers + Sowah IMO if we want to compete across 4 competitions and play our best system as often as possible.

Ideal world we might do that but even just a quality option on the right plus Sowah and Albrighton as back up would do. Perez would probably still be here and I've seen people like Edouard play out on the left of a 3, and you still have the option of a Castagne/Ricardo to play right mid if you need to.

 

What this hinges on is basically making sure that we sign a player of genuine quality on the right and hope that Sowah can make some impact.

 

But couldn't agree more on the sentiment. Needed another option there when Mahrez was here and the fact we're years down the line with basically no recruitment there (would be something if we'd at least tried a few), is a pretty shocking failure.

[Finnegan]

8 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Albrighton as back up would do. Perez would probably still be here and I've seen people like Edouard play out on the left of a 3, and you still have the option of a Castagne/Ricardo to play right mid if you need to.

 

Literally all of these options are fvcking horrific, even as cover in a bind. I don't mean that as a dig at you, just that we absolutely must stop with all of these awful bodge jobs and just sign a quality winger or two. 

 

And there's really no excuse for it. Wolves are tinpot, mid table muck with a defensive 352 park the bus fetish.

 

But since they've been back in the Prem they've had Neto, Jota, Costa, Traore and Podence - all of whom would walk straight in to our club and be the second best winger we've got. That's shoddy. 

 

Edited 9 June 2021 by Finnegan

[dmayne7]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

Literally all of these options are fvcking horrific, even as cover in a bind. I don't mean that as a dig, just that we absolutely must stop with all of these awful bodge jobs and just sign a quality winger or two. 

Albrighton definitely isn't but I'm just trying to think if there's situations where either of the RB's could do a job (most likely against one of the big boys). Perez the less said the better 

 

But yeah, if Sowah comes off then I think one top drawer right winger would do the trick. Been a priority for 3 seasons so they really should be chucking £30-40m at that.

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Albrighton definitely isn't but I'm just trying to think if there's situations where either of the RB's could do a job (most likely against one of the big boys). Perez the less said the better 

 

But yeah, if Sowah comes off then I think one top drawer right winger would do the trick. Been a priority for 3 seasons so they really should be chucking £30-40m at that.

 

Albrighton definitely is. 

 

He's decent RWB backup. But he's been consistently garbage for both managers who've tried to turn us in to a possession side. 

 

He can't beat anyone for pace, he can't beat anyone with trickery, his crossing is absolutely wasted with our squad and he's got a goal return that a centre back would be embarrassed of. 

 

He offers us graft, defensive hard work and the occasional assist with a decent pass cut in to the middle and that's about it. 

 

Every time he starts you can guarantee we're going to create a minimal amount down his flank. 

 

Perez has been a much better RW since he's been at the club than Albrighton. I'll die on this hill, he was decent in our run from August to December in 2019. The triangle of him, YT and Ricardo was the best part of our team. 

 

I mean, he's still bang average and we need better but yknow. 

 

Edited 9 June 2021 by Finnegan

[moore_94]

15 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Literally all of these options are fvcking horrific, even as cover in a bind. I don't mean that as a dig at you, just that we absolutely must stop with all of these awful bodge jobs and just sign a quality winger or two. 

 

And there's really no excuse for it. Wolves are tinpot, mid table muck with a defensive 352 park the bus fetish.

 

But since they've been back in the Prem they've had Neto, Jota, Costa, Traore and Podence - all of whom would walk straight in to our club and be the second best winger we've got. That's shoddy. 

 

We can’t afford to just go out and sign 2 quality wingers (1 of which would be a rotation option) though?

 

Podence and Costa are crap, Traore has the end product of a Sunday League player

 

Jota they signed when they were in the Championship and Neto was originally just brought in as a young potential player, not as a quality first team player

 

None of them at the time of Wolves signing them were quality wingers, 3 of them still aren’t

 

I would be fuming if we signed Traore, Podence or Costa as a “quality” winger, they would still be “bodge jobs”

Edited 9 June 2021 by moore_94

[Kilworthfox]

6 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

We can’t afford to just go out and sign 2 quality wingers (1 of which would be a rotation option) though?

 

Podence and Costa are crap, Traore has the end product of a Sunday League player

 

Jota they signed when they were in the Championship and Neto was originally just brought in as a young potential player, not as a quality first team player

 

None of them at the time of Wolves signing them were quality wingers, 3 of them still aren’t

 

I would be fuming if we signed Traore, Podence or Costa as a “quality” winger, they would still be “bodge jobs”

Agree, but Neto 

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, Kilworthfox said:

Agree, but Neto 

Oh I agree I would love Neto, but at the time of Wolves signing him he wasn’t seen as a quality winger, would be like when we signed JJ (youngster with potential)

[Ric Flair]

58 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I do agree but we've got no credible links to a winger anywhere but we're expanding the squad with:

 

A box to box midfielder 

A central striker

An attack minded full back

A recalled 10 from a loan spell 

 

That's on top of trying to sign one of the best 352 specialist wing backs in European football towards the end of the season. 

 

I really, really want us to play 4231/433/4141 but it's not looking overly likely so far. 

 

Not that I think our transfer business will finish with those 3 necessarily but it would be naive to expect big spending after Soumare and Edouard. That's just not how we've operated at all in recent years. 

 

I wouldn't bet against 352 being Brendan's starting formation. 

I'd be astonished if Rodgers comes to that conclusion. He had it forced upon him and we ended up scrabbling about for a few months. He knows what our best system is and he's said we need more options up top and out wide. I don't think the current players we're close to signing insinuate we will go 3-4-1-2, the only player that benefits is Iheanacho at the cost of Maddison, Barnes and defensively we seem worse weirdly too.

 

I think we'd only have considered that is we got Gosens otherwise it doesn't make sense.

[Finnegan]

7 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Podence and Costa are crap, Traore has the end product of a Sunday League player

 

100% they're crap, that was sort of my point. 

 

They're crap and they'd still be better than everything we have except Barnes. 

 

As for whether or not we could sign two quality ones in one window, I suppose that depends what you mean by quality. We're not going to go and sign two ready built, top class wide forwards in one window, no. Probably not even one. 

 

But we could surely find two wide players of the calibre we're signing in Soumare and Edouard, or Castagne and Fofana, Madders and Soyuncu, etc. 

 

We've been capable of recruiting multiple tidy players every season for years, it's not unrealistic to think we could sign a couple of decent wide options, even if they turn up a little raw and in need of fine tuning and development. We've just proven to be very bad at recruiting to this one specific position and it's a block we've desperately got to get over. 

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'd be astonished if Rodgers comes to that conclusion. He had it forced upon him and we ended up scrabbling about for a few months. He knows what our best system is and he's said we need more options up top and out wide. I don't think the current players we're close to signing insinuate we will go 3-4-1-2, the only player that benefits is Iheanacho at the cost of Maddison, Barnes and defensively we seem worse weirdly too.

 

I think we'd only have considered that is we got Gosens otherwise it doesn't make sense.

 

I hope you're right, I really do. 

[Ric Flair]

19 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I hope you're right, I really do. 

I'm not entirely certain though but what I am certain of is should he decide upon that as our new preferred system that we have peaked finishing 5th and we'll drop off (possibly likely anyway given how much the big 6 will strengthen) 

[coolhandfox]

The fact we brought in Under last season points to the fact we are in the market for a RW.

 

Unfortunately we never seem to have enough of a budget to cover all the hole in the squad. Last season Rodgers said he want 5 players in, he got 3.

 

This summer we need a CM, CF, RW, CB and a LB.

 

It looks like we have 3 of those near to sorted if we complete the signings of Eduardo (CF) Soumare (CM) and Bertrand (LB) for around 30m-40m.

 

That's leave a RW and a CB, I'd be surprised if our budget stretches to spending another 30M unless we can get good money for Hamza and Ghezzel. 

 

I think the reason BR will leave in the end is lack of backing.

 

I think KDH and Sowah could both prove very useful. 

Edited 9 June 2021 by coolhandfox

[An Sionnach]

Vardy's days of playing up front on his own are gone . Iheanacho or Barnes on their own? Possibly but not likely . So if Edouard comes he is our only other choice otherwise two up front . Liverpool play 4-2-1-3 . If we do that 3 out of our 4 would play . Liverpool though use Robertson and Alexander-Arnold in a very attacking way and we would have to do similarly . It would also require Tielemans (or Soumaré ) to adopt a more defensive role to cover the full back when necessary. 

Edited 9 June 2021 by An Sionnach

[Xen]

42 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

The fact we brought in Under last season points to the fact we are in the market for a RW.

 

Unfortunately we never seem to have enough of a budget to cover all the hole in the squad. Last season Rodgers said he want 5 players in, he got 3.

 

This summer we need a CM, CF, RW, CB and a LB.

 

It looks like we have 3 of those near to sorted if we complete the signings of Eduardo (CF) Soumare (CM) and Bertrand (LB) for around 30m-40m.

 

That's leave a RW and a CB, I'd be surprised if our budget stretches to spending another 30M unless we can get good money for Hamza and Ghezzel. 

 

I think the reason BR will leave in the end is lack of backing.

 

I think KDH and Sowah could both prove very useful. 

In the 2 full seasons he's been here we've signed Tielemans, Perez, Castagne, Justin, Praet and Fofana for a combined £150m (breaking our transfer record twice to do so), whilst simultaneously spending £100m on a new training ground and navigating a global pandemic which seriously messed with the transfer market and meant revenues were down due to 14 months with zero fans. He's now being backed yet again for another transfer window where we look to be bringing in one of his favourites in Edouard, a very highly rated youngster in Soumare and another experienced head in Bertrand. At least. The transfer window only opened today, after all.

 

If he does decide to leave, it won't be because of lack of backing.

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Xen said:

In the 2 full seasons he's been here we've signed Tielemans, Perez, Castagne, Justin, Praet and Fofana for a combined £150m (breaking our transfer record twice to do so), whilst simultaneously spending £100m on a new training ground and navigating a global pandemic which seriously messed with the transfer market and meant revenues were down due to 14 months with zero fans. He's now being backed yet again for another transfer window where we look to be bringing in one of his favourites in Edouard, a very highly rated youngster in Soumare and another experienced head in Bertrand. At least. The transfer window only opened today, after all.

 

If he does decide to leave, it won't be because of lack of backing.

But you have to caveat that with the sale of Maguire (80M) and Chilwell (50m) a net spend of 30m across two season. 

 

Rodgers in last season “I said at the beginning of the season we might have needed up to five players in key areas if we wanted to improve the squad,”  we got 2 and a loan.

 

He will leave if he get a job offer that provides him with more of an opportunity to be successful i.e. more backing. 

 

 

 

 

[moore_94]

39 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

But you have to caveat that with the sale of Maguire (80M) and Chilwell (50m) a net spend of 30m across two season. 

 

Rodgers in last season “I said at the beginning of the season we might have needed up to five players in key areas if we wanted to improve the squad,”  we got 2 and a loan.

 

He will leave if he get a job offer that provides him with more of an opportunity to be successful i.e. more backing. 

 

 

 

 

Even though for example Everton and Villa can offer him more money to spend he wouldn’t leave us for them

 

When he leaves it will be because it will be an offer from Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea (I believe he would probably turn down Spurs and Arsenal) and would take those jobs even if we were willing to up our backing of him

 

It wont be backing that is the reason he leaves us, it will be because of the size of the club that comes in for him

Edited 9 June 2021 by moore_94

[coolhandfox]

18 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Even though for example Everton and Villa can offer him more money to spend he wouldn’t leave us for them

 

When he leaves it will be because it will be an offer from Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea (I believe he would probably turn down Spurs and Arsenal) and would take those jobs even if we were willing to up our backing of him

 

It wont be backing that is the reason he leaves us, it will be because of the size of the club that comes in for him

You have contradicted yourself, so your saying he wouldn't get more too spend at Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea?

 

They have more prestige but also deeper pockets, which means more backing in the transfer market. 

 

 

 

Edited 9 June 2021 by coolhandfox