Development/Youth Squads 2021/2022 Thread

[lcfc sheff]

1 hour ago, themightyfin said:

You also wanted a shake up of the first team management and openly said you would accept a 10-0 thrashing at the weekend if it ment BR got the boot.

So sad that a supposed actual fan of the club wishes his team to lose.

Today's football fans are fickle i suppose that's just the way it is. 

So sad.

Oh mighty ITK thank you for your wisdom yet again 🙏

[themightyfin]

28 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said:

Oh mighty ITK thank you for your wisdom yet again 🙏

OK so I may get things wrong. I only gave the information ar I got it. Things change last minute. Com in football all the time that's just the way it is. I never said my info was perfect. 

One thing that has never changed with me if that's playing, coaching or watching my beloved club is my will and desire for them to do well .

Wishing your club to lose to get the manager fired is just wrong. 

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, themightyfin said:

You also wanted a shake up of the first team management and openly said you would accept a 10-0 thrashing at the weekend if it ment BR got the boot.

So sad that a supposed actual fan of the club wishes his team to lose.

Today's football fans are fickle i suppose that's just the way it is. 

So sad.

Hahaha lighten up pal, stop taking life so seriously. I asked the question if whether we'd take a 10 nil hammering if it got rid of Rodgers if it's inevitable that he's going to leave here on a sour note in the not too distant future. It was hypothetical and if you think about it, for every win if it means an extra x amount of games he's in charge and we drop more points then we are potentially worse off than of we took a record defeat and he was binned now. A real dilemma, hopefully this is the start of a resurrection for Brendan but I'm still of the opinion this is his last season.

 

And what on earth has any of this got to do with my demand for our academy to match the ambition of the rest of the club? If you think those involved in the academy in the last decade are of the necessary quality to match a team challenging the elite then you're as bigger norris as I am for wanting us to lose 10 nil.

 

Our academy was the obvious marginal gain as we further try to upset the applecart, the changes to the transfer rules in 2021 have made this even more essential and if we want to maintain our European attendance year on year then we have to keep producing players as its hard enough to name a squad to compete across 4 competitions but in Europe they make it so difficult for clubs that don't have the luxury of talent pools in their academy like Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool etc do. Otherwise you're naming less than 25 players in a squad.

 

 

[lcfc sheff]

1 hour ago, themightyfin said:

OK so I may get things wrong. I only gave the information ar I got it. Things change last minute. Com in football all the time that's just the way it is. I never said my info was perfect. 

One thing that has never changed with me if that's playing, coaching or watching my beloved club is my will and desire for them to do well .

Wishing your club to lose to get the manager fired is just wrong. 

We can all want different things don’t make out youre so righteous. 

[Foxxed]

4 hours ago, themightyfin said:

You also wanted a shake up of the first team management and openly said you would accept a 10-0 thrashing at the weekend if it ment BR got the boot.

So sad that a supposed actual fan of the club wishes his team to lose.

Today's football fans are fickle i suppose that's just the way it is. 

So sad.

The same applies to fans that wanted a loss to see Puel gone?

[Aus Fox]

10 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

The same applies to fans that wanted a loss to see Puel gone?

Anyone who ever wants us to lose any game is rather odd in my book. 
The only way to turn form around is to win games and build confidence.

[HighPeakFox]

4 hours ago, themightyfin said:

You also wanted a shake up of the first team management and openly said you would accept a 10-0 thrashing at the weekend if it ment BR got the boot.

So sad that a supposed actual fan of the club wishes his team to lose.

Today's football fans are fickle i suppose that's just the way it is. 

So sad.

Football fans have always been fickle - plus ca change.

[Ric Flair]

33 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

Anyone who ever wants us to lose any game is rather odd in my book. 
The only way to turn form around is to win games and build confidence.

So in this scenario then, a manager is under huge pressure and one hefty defeat and they'll be gone. But they survive another day after getting a vital 3 points. However they then lose the next 3 and pressure has mounted again, where they win again followed by the manager getting another extra few games that they lose again. Fast forward 2 months and the manager is sacked as was inevitable. Do you not recognise that they may have been better off had they suffered that defeat two months earlier that forced the owners hand? 

[HighPeakFox]

51 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

So in this scenario then, a manager is under huge pressure and one hefty defeat and they'll be gone. But they survive another day after getting a vital 3 points. However they then lose the next 3 and pressure has mounted again, where they win again followed by the manager getting another extra few games that they lose again. Fast forward 2 months and the manager is sacked as was inevitable. Do you not recognise that they may have been better off had they suffered that defeat two months earlier that forced the owners hand? 

That's not quite the same as actively wanting the team to get smashed, though, is it?

[Ric Flair]

21 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

That's not quite the same as actively wanting the team to get smashed, though, is it?

If that's the reason they want them to get smashed, then yes it is. I don't tend to see many of our fans actively want us to lose because it makes them feel good or because its funny, it's the opposite.

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

If that's the reason they want them to get smashed, then yes it is. I don't tend to see many of our fans actively want us to lose because it makes them feel good or because its funny, it's the opposite.

Because they know best, right? I don't buy into that - sorry.

[Ric Flair]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

Because they know best, right? I don't buy into that - sorry.

Football fans in believing their opinion is more accurate than those they disagree with shocker. I don't quite get what you're angling at? 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Football fans in believing their opinion is more accurate than those they disagree with shocker. I don't quite get what you're angling at? 

I think it is the arrogance associated with those dominating the discussion whenever a pass gets misplaced / a mistake is made  /a goal is conceded  /a game is lost that they absolutely insist that BR (in this case) must go because they're vicitms of the 'I want it now' culture (and I do not necessarily mean you here Ric) and have just assumed they know exactly what's wrong and that anyone disagreeing is, by implication, not a proper fan / middle class / a happy clapper / an apologist. That's what I'm angling at.

[themightyfin]

14 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think it is the arrogance associated with those dominating the discussion whenever a pass gets misplaced / a mistake is made  /a goal is conceded  /a game is lost that they absolutely insist that BR (in this case) must go because they're vicitms of the 'I want it now' culture (and I do not necessarily mean you here Ric) and have just assumed they know exactly what's wrong and that anyone disagreeing is, by implication, not a proper fan / middle class / a happy clapper / an apologist. That's what I'm angling at.

Agreed. And everyone is entitled to an opinion but to actuality want your team to lose so we can bin the manager is just sad.

Edited 14 December 2021 by themightyfin

[filbertway]

You'd hope the decision makers would be brave enough to make to decision regardless of one off results, but very few seem to be.

 

So it feels like the only way you'll see it happen. This is how I think anyway. Its short term pain for long term gain in my eyes

 

I dont think anyone who's wanting the academy to be improved as a way to help the club progress in the long term can be accused of short term thinking

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

3 minutes ago, filbertway said:

You'd hope the decision makers would be brave enough to make to decision regardless of one off results, but very few seem to be.

 

So it feels like the only way you'll see it happen. This is how I think anyway. Its short term pain for long term gain in my eyes

 

I dont think anyone who's wanting the academy to be improved as a way to help the club progress in the long term can be accused of short term thinking

Perhaps not. But they can be accused of a variety of other unsavoury things

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Agreed. Abd everyone is entitled to an opinion but to actuality want your team to lose so we can bin the manager is just sad.

So you'd rather our team be worse off in the long run if needs be because it's unthinkable for you to ever choose/want for us to lose a game?

[themightyfin]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

So you'd rather our team be worse off in the long run if needs be because it's unthinkable for you to ever choose/want for us to lose a game?

Be careful what you wish for. 

[Ric Flair]

11 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Be careful what you wish for. 

Not answered my question. 

 

The same caution could have been applied to any regime where we were significantly underperforming, I don't think it's wise to use that as the defining factor as to whether the current manager should be allowed to continue to allow under performance and complete arrogance to not try and fix it (see the flat refusal to change the way we defended set pieces for months on end).

 

Brendan Rodgers is a very good manager, he's done very well here for the most part but he's also been part of 2 (3 if you count the final 3rd of last season and this season as seperate slumps) massive slumps and its a huge concern. Its not a case of he isn't good enough, but many a manager both better and worse than him have ran their course at clubs and there should be no hard feelings when the prospect of them having to leave.

 

Rodgers is done here, this is his last season and I'll forever be thankful for what he brought us for most of it. The FA Cup and the sheer amount of games where we obliterated teams scoring 4 or more in the process. 

[Ric Flair]

26 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think it is the arrogance associated with those dominating the discussion whenever a pass gets misplaced / a mistake is made  /a goal is conceded  /a game is lost that they absolutely insist that BR (in this case) must go because they're vicitms of the 'I want it now' culture (and I do not necessarily mean you here Ric) and have just assumed they know exactly what's wrong and that anyone disagreeing is, by implication, not a proper fan / middle class / a happy clapper / an apologist. That's what I'm angling at.

Fair enough and I'm only speaking purely in regard to me posting the question prior to Sundays game would anyone be tempted for a record loss if it meant Rodgers departed and we were better off in the long run. A silly question, mainly said tongue in cheek but if I think about it objectively and if we somehow knew the outcome (impossible) then it would be mad not to agree to that because surely we want what's best for our club.

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Fair enough and I'm only speaking purely in regard to me posting the question prior to Sundays game would anyone be tempted for a record loss if it meant Rodgers departed and we were better off in the long run. A silly question, mainly said tongue in cheek but if I think about it objectively and if we somehow knew the outcome (impossible) then it would be mad not to agree to that because surely we want what's best for our club.

Well quite, but you know that it's impossible to know, whereas some posters write everything they do with the certainty of the utterly deluded, whether it be believing every rumour going or saying 'we all know that' such and such.

[themightyfin]

7 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Fair enough and I'm only speaking purely in regard to me posting the question prior to Sundays game would anyone be tempted for a record loss if it meant Rodgers departed and we were better off in the long run. A silly question, mainly said tongue in cheek but if I think about it objectively and if we somehow knew the outcome (impossible) then it would be mad not to agree to that because surely we want what's best for our club.

 

 

And you know that by sacking your manager will be best for the club how? Like I said be careful what you wish for. 

Edited 15 December 2021 by themightyfin

[lcfcell]

15 hours ago, themightyfin said:

You also wanted a shake up of the first team management and openly said you would accept a 10-0 thrashing at the weekend if it ment BR got the boot.

So sad that a supposed actual fan of the club wishes his team to lose.

Today's football fans are fickle i suppose that's just the way it is. 

So sad.

Id probably stick to making up transfer rumours pal

[filbertway]

8 hours ago, themightyfin said:

And you know that by sacking your manager will be best for the club how? Like I said be careful what you wish for. 

Is this your way of warning us that Beaglehole is being earmarked for the top job if we lose Rodgers?

 

[Ric Flair]

8 hours ago, themightyfin said:

And you know that by sacking your manager will be best for the club how? Like I said be careful what you wish for. 

You can never be certain of anything, just like you can't be certain Brendan Rodgers is the best man for the job going forward. We are underperforming and he has to take responsibility. We've a group of players that have been together for quite a few years and some of them want a new challenge, likewise he's been here nearly 3 seasons now and his effectiveness with these players with his methods are waning. We need a rebuild, I said only a few weeks ago that he'd earnt the right to be that man but it was touch and go depending on how he handled this continued malaise and shocking defensive displays. His actions were not good enough and he was changing nothing in regard to our set piece defending which was astonishing.

 

You could have taken this stance with Ranieri, Shakespeare or Puel and said how did anyone know a new manager would be better. Rodgers up to last weekend was on a very similar run of form over the last 25-30 games as Claude Puel. 

 

Were Man Utd wrong to bin Solskjaer, Villa, Spurs? Do you think Chelsea regretted getting rid of Lampard? 

 

Nobody can ever be sure a new manager will be better than the previous, the same as nobody can be sure a current manager can turn it around. Recent history suggests the former is more likely than the latter though sadly.