Legia fans support

[Ginger_Filbert]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

At no point did I ever suggest that

 

It just became a convenient distraction for a minority to use that as strawman 

Well you pretty much did. 
 

The OP was obviously saying how good the atmosphere was not how rascist/neo nazi the songs were, that was you. Like you said we have no idea what they were singing they were just loud, very loud.  
 

The when the crowd turns against you everyone is racist and it was tongue in cheek, that old chestnut. 

[blueharmie]

What's 'your support is fuking sh!t in Polish?' 

[Vardinio'sCat]

59 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

I love the amount of people in this thread that have exposed themselves as ridiculously easily to triggered by any mention of white nationalism. 

 

 

Like, I'll admit I didn't mean to derail the thread the way I did and make it about politics. My first comment was completely throw away and fairly tongue in cheek. 

 

But the amount of closet far right folk who have been easily rustled by any mention of neo fascist ultras has given me a laugh. 

 

Christ 2021 is depressing times. 

 

It's just the US import that is the culture war writ large. We can't even point out the toxic nature of the clubs ultras, when they are being lauded for their pashun.  It's easy to do a bit of background on the pretty toxic Legia ultra's if anyone one is truly interested, but maybe knee jerk is easier.

 

Of course the volume was very impressive, and calling them all racists is unfair, but I'd be amazed if some of those songs that were sung at such volume aren't a touch 'Horst Wessel' in nature.

 

I bet they are all chanting about motherhood and apple pie in this photo, and it is interesting that they all appear to be very right handed. Teddy Boys 95 is funny name though!

 

 

more about Legia ultras

 

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2014/10/22/a-world-of-ultras-legia-warsaw/

 

[Guest Lako42]

8 hours ago, Finnegan said:

I love the amount of people in this thread that have exposed themselves as ridiculously easily to triggered by any mention of white nationalism. 

 

 

Like, I'll admit I didn't mean to derail the thread the way I did and make it about politics. My first comment was completely throw away and fairly tongue in cheek. 

 

But the amount of closet far right folk who have been easily rustled by any mention of neo fascist ultras has given me a laugh. 

 

Christ 2021 is depressing times. 

Don't be a dick. 

 

It's not okay to be a racist right wing nut job but it's also not great to be a condescending tosser. 

 

You won't change peoples opinion of the atmosphere being loud by pointing out the racial attitudes of the fans making said noise.

 

 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

22 hours ago, hejammy said:

We know it's hard to separate the two especially when it's so obvious. It's like saying Hitler.... Yeah he was a bad guy but he was a really good listener. 

But Hitler wasn't a good listener.

 

(The course of the 2nd World War might have been very different, if he had listened to his Generals more ... instead of following his own insane fanatical obsessions.)

[shade]

23 hours ago, blueharmie said:

You do know how far poland is behind Is Terms of these issues? 

 

one man's behind is another man's ahead.

[shade]

we may not like it, but this is a quality idea for taking the knee...

 

[jonathan_ross]

8 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

No.

 

It's certainly flushing out the culture warriors, this one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As well as exposing all the xenophobes in the process. 

Edited 3 October 2021 by jonathan_ross

[los dedos]

22 minutes ago, shade said:

we may not like it, but this is a quality idea for taking the knee...

 

Who is the guy in the picture ?

[LestaFox92]

4 minutes ago, los dedos said:

Who is the guy in the picture ?

Dunno but he's deffo neo nazi that is for sure

Being serious for a second I think he's made up gathering from reading the mercury article.

[Guest Lcfc82]

11 minutes ago, los dedos said:

Who is the guy in the picture ?

I think someone said on here on another post that it’s Andrew Golota ( former polish boxer )

[Guest TamworthFoxes]

40 minutes ago, shade said:

we may not like it, but this is a quality idea for taking the knee...

 

Absolutely genius. Even written in English specifically aimed at our players. No doubt not one of our players even realised the irony of them all kneeling down in front of a giant scary looking white bloke whilst being booed loudly for showing support for BLM.

 You would have hoped one of two things might have happened either 

1) they would have switched on to it and at least faced the other way so they didn’t look absolute mugs or 

2) looked like they give a shit about being made to look stupid and played with a bit of fire and passion.

Sadly neither happened.

[adejo92]

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2014/10/22/a-world-of-ultras-legia-warsaw/

 

This is a great read that goes into more detail about Legia Warsaw's Ultra's, 'Teddy Boys 95'.

 

They are clearly passionate about their team, more than most, but it also seems to be a way of channelling other emotions & frustrations from not just their club, but Polands history.

 

Legia Ultras have previously been voted the most dangerous in the world, and given the policing presence, which was increasingly evidently there to protect us, not prosecute us, it's a real sense that these guys mean business.

 

I know politics have been brought into this discussion, away from football, but it seems that the Ultra's themselves are as much political as they are football.

 

I think there is a lot more to it than a group of blokes coming to support their team. This is almost like a religion to them, a brother hood and allegiance. 

 

I couldn't be against football violence, or racism, enough, but studying these Ultra's in a little more detail is really interesting.

 

 

[Paninistickers]

6 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2014/10/22/a-world-of-ultras-legia-warsaw/

 

This is a great read that goes into more detail about Legia Warsaw's Ultra's, 'Teddy Boys 95'.

 

They are clearly passionate about their team, more than most, but it also seems to be a way of channelling other emotions & frustrations from not just their club, but Polands history.

 

Legia Ultras have previously been voted the most dangerous in the world, and given the policing presence, which was increasingly evidently there to protect us, not prosecute us, it's a real sense that these guys mean business.

 

I know politics have been brought into this discussion, away from football, but it seems that the Ultra's themselves are as much political as they are football.

 

I think there is a lot more to it than a group of blokes coming to support their team. This is almost like a religion to them, a brother hood and allegiance. 

 

I couldn't be against football violence, or racism, enough, but studying these Ultra's in a little more detail is really interesting.

 

 

I've had a quick skim read and the article cements what I felt in the first place before travelling; any trouble is not indiscriminate and behaving normally was unlikely to antagonise them. 

 

Sounds as if they are amazingly organised. Being the grandsons of 50 years of oppression, a sense of injustice must be deeply ingrained in their psyche.

 

Did anyone notice the meeting after the game behind their goal of around 300 fans? I'm not convinced it was an ultras thing....but shows the type of organisational structure their fans commit to

 

 

[adejo92]

5 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I've had a quick skim read and the article cements what I felt in the first place before travelling; any trouble is not indiscriminate and behaving normally was unlikely to antagonise them. 

 

Sounds as if they are amazingly organised. Being the grandsons of 50 years of oppression, a sense of injustice must be deeply ingrained in their psyche.

 

Did anyone notice the meeting after the game behind their goal of around 300 fans? I'm not convinced it was an ultras thing....but shows the type of organisational structure their fans commit to

 

 

 

Completely agree. It's almost like for some, this is the closest they can get for fighting for their country and the anger they have. Its like football is their release.

 

Must be frustrating for them to train all year for fighting and then not even see an opposition fan! 

 

I can see why they were out scouting before the game, probably know its their only chance of getting a scrap.

 

Was it just me that wondered how many of my miserable Uber drivers were Ultra's? 

 

One minute he's wanting to rip our throats out, the next morning he's taxi'ing me across the city for the equivilent of about 40p.

Edited 3 October 2021 by adejo92

[Raj]

Some do seem to be slightly infatuated with all this ultra,  tifo weaving, slightly far right European  supporters.

Its NEVER going to change much at Leicester  so I dont see why people get so worked about it.

[SemperEadem]

43 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I've had a quick skim read and the article cements what I felt in the first place before travelling; any trouble is not indiscriminate and behaving normally was unlikely to antagonise them. 

 

Sounds as if they are amazingly organised. Being the grandsons of 50 years of oppression, a sense of injustice must be deeply ingrained in their psyche.

 

Did anyone notice the meeting after the game behind their goal of around 300 fans? I'm not convinced it was an ultras thing....but shows the type of organisational structure their fans commit to

 

 

This was really interesting. Looked to be the real hardcore there who stayed for a very long time. Perhaps some sort of debrief or planning next weeks work for the group.

They had the younger lot collecting in the flags off the wide blocks whilst this was going off.

[yorkie1999]

2 hours ago, shade said:

we may not like it, but this is a quality idea for taking the knee...

 

So what’s to stop our lot doing one with something like Stand if you’re a racist fvcker, written in Polish when they play at Leicester. I’m sure some of our highly paid players would chip in a few quid.

[shade]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

So what’s to stop our lot doing one with something like Stand if you’re a racist fvcker, written in Polish when they play at Leicester. I’m sure some of our highly paid players would chip in a few quid.

It will be a bit awkward when all our fans look racist for standing 

[LestaFox92]

Was there actually any trouble on the away trip other than a loud stadium btw?

[adejo92]

27 minutes ago, LestaFox92 said:

Was there actually any trouble on the away trip other than a loud stadium btw?

No.

 

Apparently very minor issues the night before the game but nothing other than that. Certainly nothing commonly known.

 

There was some twitter rubbish about a fight with knives although that was quite clearly fabricated.

 

It was policed in such a way that both sets of fans could never meet.

 

There were reports of 'scouts' taking photos of pubs with Leicester fans, and there is evidence of them stalking this forum too.

 

I think that's why a lot of credit has to go to the Polish police. Given half a chance, the Ultra's clearly wanted trouble, but that was prevented to great policing which, at the time, looked over the top but in hind sight was perhaps more than justified.

Edited 3 October 2021 by adejo92

[purpleronnie]

Weirdly there's more likely to be trouble at our place given how badly the police and stewards 'handled' the Napoli fans.

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I've had a quick skim read and the article cements what I felt in the first place before travelling; any trouble is not indiscriminate and behaving normally was unlikely to antagonise them. 

 

Sounds as if they are amazingly organised. Being the grandsons of 50 years of oppression, a sense of injustice must be deeply ingrained in their psyche.

 

Did anyone notice the meeting after the game behind their goal of around 300 fans? I'm not convinced it was an ultras thing....but shows the type of organisational structure their fans commit to

 

 

It was and it wasn’t an ultras thing. It was like a debrief of their display and support. Their next home game is Lech Poznań who are probably the next biggest ultras group in the country. That’s followed by Napoli away who Legia have had some real run ins with - Legia’s head ultra issued a list of things to qualify for the trip to Naples back in 2015. No women, no kids, no tourists, no alcohol. 

Edited 3 October 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[CosbehFox]

20 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

There were reports of 'scouts' taking photos of pubs with Leicester fans, and there is evidence of them stalking this forum too.

 

I think that's why a lot of credit has to go to the Polish police. Given half a chance, the Ultra's clearly wanted trouble, but that was prevented to great policing which, at the time, looked over the top but in hind sight was perhaps more than justified.

The Police had lots of plain clothed officers about who clearly had an in to their info of ultras. They were asking Leicester fans when you going in the taxis where you were drinking/staying. Therefore the Police could just keep an eye on those areas 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

So what’s to stop our lot doing one with something like Stand if you’re a racist fvcker, written in Polish when they play at Leicester. I’m sure some of our highly paid players would chip in a few quid.

Even if a concept was more eloquent than your idea the club wouldn't let anyone do it. UFS wanted to do a reply in the ground to Slavia's "Fox Hunting" tifo at their place and they said "no thanks, we're above that kind of thing".