LCFC vs. Palace Post-Match Thread

[st albans fox]

22 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Sorry Ealing, Highest Premier League finish. 

I guess if we'd seen it then we would also be 'precious' about it  ...

[NotTheMarketLeader]

9 hours ago, Matt said:

This is the irony really isn’t it.

 

Anyway, I've slept on it and some perspective is needed, we were in league one 15 years or so ago.

 

I apologise for anything I’ve ever moaned about with Puel or Rodgers. What an entitled little bastard I’ve been. Shamed.

Shut up.

Most of the time you are one of the few writing sense. 

[Matt]

3 hours ago, turtmcfly said:

 

Perspective...

 

Being a single-issue, solution-free bore is one thing Matt, but your output since Saturday (this jackass response included) has bordered on the unhinged.

 

 

 

I’m not sure what I’m supposed to say.

 

It’s literally what people have been telling me just recently.

 

A case of damned if I do, damned if I don’t I guess.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

 

I’m not sure what I’m supposed to say.

 

It’s literally what people have been telling me just recently.

 

A case of damned if I do, damned if I don’t I guess.

I’m all for full throttle ‘unhinged’ otherwise known as astute analysis of this pile of shit we’ve been watching for six months.

[Whys it always me]

4 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....it is strange that we put Thomas in an F.A. Cup final and are reluctant to play him in the league!!!

Playing Nacho on the right will not work, he is very much like a homing pigeon, he will gravitate centrally and drop deep.

He was good on the final too. He was also very good against wolves at the start of the season but has been in and out of the team and granted he wasn’t great on Thursday but who was. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

I've long argued on here that you can live for many days without water but you can't live without hope and there's not a lot of that going around here.

[turtmcfly]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I’m all for full throttle ‘unhinged’ otherwise known as astute analysis of this pile of shit we’ve been watching for six months.

 

Bwahahahahahaha.

 

 

[Corky]

6 hours ago, Pliskin said:

It’s “David from Coalville” isn’t it, only he’s dropped the Coalville part. Always surfaces when we’re playing badly to offer his ‘liccle’ opinions. 
 

I don’t listen to RL much anymore but he used to call up all of the time when we lost a few games, I think he had a bust up on air once with Alan Young. 

And when we won. I don't think he's liked any manager we've had.

[reynard]

10 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

Yes, we are playing poorly at the moment but some of the knee jerk overreaction posts on here are unbelievable.  (we are the worse team in the league, we will get relegated etc, etc) quite frankly you are embarrassing yourselves.

 

Remember Palace are not the cannon fodder they once were.  At Selhurst this season, they have already thumped Spurs 3-0, drew with Brentford who frankly are playing well this season, and now yes drawn with us.  They are a lot better under Viera and play some good attacking football.

 

Choudary was breaking their play up, both him and Tielamans were misplacing passes not just Choudary.  We were worse when Choudary was substituted.  Vestergaard was not our worst defender yesterday either.  He made some crucial blocks in that 1st half and generally he was ok.  Bertrand and Barnes were the problems.  A lot of Palaces attacks were coming down their side and Barnes was not coming back to assist Bertrand.

 

It was a lot better than Brighton away actually, albeit at Brighton we were robbed of a point?  At least the passing backwards and sideways seemed to have gone.  The worry for me is we just dont seem to be able to see a game out.  Tis true, a top manager would have made his substitutions at half time bring on two defensive midfielders, maybe KDH and Soumare take off Lookman and Barnes. In order to protect the defense.

 

It was obvious Palace would come at us second half unfortunately like at West Ham we were again bullied.  Choudary was at least getting stuck in.

 

I cant understand what Ricardo has done not to warrant a start Bertrand and Barnes on that left hand side doesnt work.

 

This season will be one of consolidation,  too many of our fans now believe we have made it should be challenging the top four etc, we are Leicester City and for me as long as we stay in the Premiership and have a good cup run again I for one will be happy.

I'm starting to read this more and more. Can I ask what does consolidation mean to you? I'm asking genuinely. See, for me, after finishing top 5 two seasons running, winning the FA Cup and Charity Shield and not selling an of our star players this summer and investing over 40 million on new players, I'm afraid what I'm seeing now isn't consolidation to me. 

Consolidation for me is strengthening our position in the top 6/7 clubs in the country, playing decent entertaining football and generally winning more games than not.  What I'm seeing now is a team looking likely to finish bottom half of the table this season. That isn't consolidation that would be regression. I'm seeing performances and results more akin with a recently promoted team trying to get a permanent foothold in the Premier League not one in our position, that has, by many accounts, done a great job in recruitment and development over the past few seasons.

I'm not saying we have a right to win every game or that we are going to finish top 4 but what we are witnessing right now is in no way consolidation.

Edited 4 October 2021 by reynard

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Tielemans just doesn't seem bothered to play. He's got itchie feet to move on. Even Kasper is not at his best.On recent performances, most of the team look positively bad.  

[Hoopla10]

11 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

Bertrand and Barnes were the problems.

Is Thomas injured or not fit? Otherwise why don't we (yeah some wont like this) play Thomas with Albrighton in front of him? We lose that attack by not playing Barnes but we do secure the defense a little which has to be a priority. Also hopefully Albrighton's balls being whipped in will also raise our crosses into the box rate. So we don't entirely lose all attacking intent from that wing. 

[kiwiturk]

6 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Practice what you preach and you'll understand what I'm saying. He's not beyond reproach at all. You've slagged him off consistently, even when we win.

 

59% support of the manager suggests that more than most would disagree with you.

There are no T&C clause here saying that we are all need to be fully agree all the time. This is beauty of a fans forum,

- You obviously not reading comments on different platform bragging BR but at least I show my true colour doing this in past 2 years.

- Confidence level down from 98% to 59% but you're still able to present this as an achievement.  Great job.

- I'm a passionate LCFC fan and I'm here for the long time not just for the good time and I believe BR style football outdated, boring and failed to adjust today's modern game.

- I can also boldly state that he was the most luckiest b*stard ever 2 5th position achieved due to so called Big 6's dismal performances ever in PL history but Liverpool still able to came behind miles away and passed us for the CL spot even with their makeshift defense.

- So happy and grateful that we have the FA cup but for the love of God, re-watch that game, re-read the stats.

We won that cup because of Kasper's miracle saves and Youri's wonder strike. That was about it.

So, yes I don't like BR, and I don't believe him. He is not a champion football manager and he is out of ideas and luck.

 

[Hoopla10]

1 hour ago, reynard said:

I'm starting to read this more and more. Can I ask what does consolidation mean to you? I'm asking genuinely. See, for me, after finishing top 5 two seasons running, winning the FA Cup and Charity Shield and not selling an of our star players this summer and investing over 40 million on new players, I'm afraid what I'm seeing now isn't consolidation to me. 

Consolidation for me is strengthening our position in the top 6/7 clubs in the country, playing decent entertaining football and generally winning more games than not.  What I'm seeing now is a team looking likely to finish bottom half of the table this season. That isn't consolidation that would be regression. I'm seeing performances and results more akin with a recently promoted team trying to get a permanent foothold in the Premier League not one in our position, that has, by many accounts, done a great job in recruitment and development over the past few seasons.

I'm not saying we have a right to win every game or that we are going to finish top 4 but what we are witnessing right now is in no way consolidation.

So reality has no place in your vision? How other teams act, grow, change, compete don't mean anything. What happens to our players doesn't matter. It feels sometimes like people just view all this with no context. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, kiwiturk said:

There are no T&C clause here saying that we are all need to be fully agree all the time. This is beauty of a fans forum,

- You obviously not reading comments on different platform bragging BR but at least I show my true colour doing this in past 2 years.

- Confidence level down from 98% to 59% but you're still able to present this as an achievement.  Great job.

- I'm a passionate LCFC fan and I'm here for the long time not just for the good time and I believe BR style football outdated, boring and failed to adjust today's modern game.

- I can also boldly state that he was the most luckiest b*stard ever 2 5th position achieved due to so called Big 6's dismal performances ever in PL history but Liverpool still able to came behind miles away and passed us for the CL spot even with their makeshift defense.

- So happy and grateful that we have the FA cup but for the love of God, re-watch that game, re-read the stats.

We won that cup because of Kasper's miracle saves and Youri's wonder strike. That was about it.

So, yes I don't like BR, and I don't believe him. He is not a champion football manager and he is out of ideas and luck.

 

As Napolean once said....ability is of little value without opportunity, I'd rather have my generals lucky than able.

 

I've watched that game several times, and you need luck to win any cup final. We did. Get over it.

 

And you can't finish 5th twice by being lucky alone. It's nonsense. We've finished 5th by being better than the rest who finished behind us.

 

If you're a fan as you claim then you'll appreciate that this is statistically the most successful sustained period of winning in modern times. If you can't enjoy most of the last two years you may as well support someone else.

[MalletFox]

9 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

There are no T&C clause here saying that we are all need to be fully agree all the time. This is beauty of a fans forum,

- You obviously not reading comments on different platform bragging BR but at least I show my true colour doing this in past 2 years.

- Confidence level down from 98% to 59% but you're still able to present this as an achievement.  Great job.

- I'm a passionate LCFC fan and I'm here for the long time not just for the good time and I believe BR style football outdated, boring and failed to adjust today's modern game.

- I can also boldly state that he was the most luckiest b*stard ever 2 5th position achieved due to so called Big 6's dismal performances ever in PL history but Liverpool still able to came behind miles away and passed us for the CL spot even with their makeshift defense.

- So happy and grateful that we have the FA cup but for the love of God, re-watch that game, re-read the stats.

We won that cup because of Kasper's miracle saves and Youri's wonder strike. That was about it.

So, yes I don't like BR, and I don't believe him. He is not a champion football manager and he is out of ideas and luck.

 

Can I just ask why 59% and not 58%?

[Dan]

This consolidation is a bit of a myth. We've had the luxury for years of having a genuine world class striker who we were in no serious danger of losing even if we are average. You aren't going to get as lucky with Fofana & Tielemans.

Edited 5 October 2021 by Dan LCFC

[Guest worth_the_wait]

Remember the good old days when clubs used to tell you what the attendance was?

 

I assume it was about 23,000 ish, but it would be nice if they would tell us ... as some of us sad b'stards like to know!

[Clever Fox]

What I'll remember from the game is two well taken goals from two strikers in top form.

 

And Lookmans  delightful flick over the Defender despite him having a poor game.

 

And Soumare showing some improvement in his game.

 

Two weeks is along time in Football, Lets all hope things improve until we get players back.

[reynard]

13 hours ago, Hoopla10 said:

So reality has no place in your vision? How other teams act, grow, change, compete don't mean anything. What happens to our players doesn't matter. It feels sometimes like people just view all this with no context. 

Well actually I was asking a genuine question about what the poster meant by consolidation. Of course what you say is correct and how other teams act etc has a role to play.

However, if you want context, we have a squad with a top half salary, recruited players over the summer at a decent cost, didn't sell anyone of note and come off the back of two very decent seasons. I think that is a decent context upon which to judge things right now. I could of course add what is possibly the best training facility in the country and  manager who is very well regarded in the game and with a lot of experience.

All these things are real or were last time I checked. So I'd say this is the reality we operate in, oh and to add to the reality  you seem to think I don't acknowledge, I'll chuck in for good measure one of the most supportive owners in the league and a board and management that is extremely well regarded by business people around the world. 

Of course it is early in the season and things may improve but if they don't and we finish lower mid table I don't see any way in which anyone could call that consolidation and I'm pretty sure our owners and board would agree. I don't for one minute think they will be satisfied with mere consolidation.

[Foxaholic ME]

On 04/10/2021 at 21:08, Hoopla10 said:

Is Thomas injured or not fit? Otherwise why don't we (yeah some wont like this) play Thomas with Albrighton in front of him? We lose that attack by not playing Barnes but we do secure the defense a little which has to be a priority. Also hopefully Albrighton's balls being whipped in will also raise our crosses into the box rate. So we don't entirely lose all attacking intent from that wing. 

If  playerscoming back from injury are poor they shouldnt  bein the team . Allbrighton  rarely has a bad game  but together  with Thomas first to get left out  and Mendy has been treated disgracefully 

[Hoopla10]

18 hours ago, reynard said:

Well actually I was asking a genuine question about what the poster meant by consolidation. Of course what you say is correct and how other teams act etc has a role to play.

However, if you want context, we have a squad with a top half salary, recruited players over the summer at a decent cost, didn't sell anyone of note and come off the back of two very decent seasons. I think that is a decent context upon which to judge things right now. I could of course add what is possibly the best training facility in the country and  manager who is very well regarded in the game and with a lot of experience.

All these things are real or were last time I checked. So I'd say this is the reality we operate in, oh and to add to the reality  you seem to think I don't acknowledge, I'll chuck in for good measure one of the most supportive owners in the league and a board and management that is extremely well regarded by business people around the world. 

Of course it is early in the season and things may improve but if they don't and we finish lower mid table I don't see any way in which anyone could call that consolidation and I'm pretty sure our owners and board would agree. I don't for one minute think they will be satisfied with mere consolidation.

The only real criticism I can really see in that is we didn't properly invest in a CB. As people on here have corrected me Vestergaard wasn't a kneejerk buy but somebody they'd been looking at for a time. Which if true is pretty bad. I do wonder though for 15mil, not a small number but certainly not in the price range you'd expect for a good CB (around 40mil and up), what their intentions were. Evans, Soy and Fofana when fit are locks for that role. The same for JJ and Thomas. So I don't think they had any intention on spending big in defense and it probably wasn't balanced into that transfer window spending at the start of the summer. Vestergaard and Bertrand being brought in as squad players to rotate in and out the team when our schedule gets hectic again with Europe. 

Obviously our back line being devastated changed all that. It's why I don't think you can properly judge our buys in mid and attack. If they're playing on quicksand it's going to effect their performance. 

 

I'm not sure consolidation is the right word but I get what he meant. This season could be a loss, so we lock it down and make the best position we can, maybe focus on a cup run (League Cup) and then properly go again next season. I can see that our only downside would be the temptation for a couple of players to leave, but if Youri goes, he goes. I don't think where we finish will make much difference given the teams looking at him. 

[volpeazzurro]

On 04/10/2021 at 21:20, Chocolate Teapot said:

As Napolean once said....ability is of little value without opportunity, I'd rather have my generals lucky than able.

 

I've watched that game several times, and you need luck to win any cup final. We did. Get over it.

 

And you can't finish 5th twice by being lucky alone. It's nonsense. We've finished 5th by being better than the rest who finished behind us.

 

If you're a fan as you claim then you'll appreciate that this is statistically the most successful sustained period of winning in modern times. If you can't enjoy most of the last two years you may as well support someone else.

The question is though, was that down to the manager or the abilities of a good squad of players. Time and time again last season, having cocked up formation, team selection or tactics, 70 minutes tinkerings plus the rescue of individual players made out stats look better, but bare stats don't tell the hard won stories behind them. If it wasn't for injury, Rodgers for example wouldn't have given Iheanacho the time of day and he became our top scorer absolutely despite of the manager, not because of him. I would suggest that there are a number of managers, if given the talent Rodgers had at his disposal, in the circumstances of those two years, could have done at least as well and most probably got a 4th place finish. Rodgers, like at Celtic, was merely at the right place at the right time and his myth is perpetuated. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

The question is though, was that down to the manager or the abilities of a good squad of players. Time and time again last season, having cocked up formation, team selection or tactics, 70 minutes tinkerings plus the rescue of individual players made out stats look better, but bare stats don't tell the hard won stories behind them. If it wasn't for injury, Rodgers for example wouldn't have given Iheanacho the time of day and he became our top scorer absolutely despite of the manager, not because of him. I would suggest that there are a number of managers, if given the talent Rodgers had at his disposal, in the circumstances of those two years, could have done at least as well and most probably got a 4th place finish. Rodgers, like at Celtic, was merely at the right place at the right time and his myth is perpetuated. 

I mean this is just utter nonsense. You reckon our squad is in the top 4 in the country? You're beyond deluded if you think it is.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

I mean this is just utter nonsense. You reckon our squad is in the top 4 in the country? You're beyond deluded if you think it is.

Firstly I suggest that you read it again and read it properly. Nowhere have I said that I currently believe our squad is in the top 4 in the country, though at the start of the season I would have suggested that we were  capable perhaps of 5/6th?

 

The goalposts have changed quite dramatically I think since the last two seasons due to the last round of transfer dealings.

 

I think the previous two seasons however due to squads then and perhaps  unusual mitigating circumstances, things were quite different however. The fact that we were in the top 4 for a greater part of the season with such a commanding lead does tend to prove that. Neither is it always about the media reputation or value of squads on paper, remember 2015/16? Manchester City value approx 300m, Leicester 21.5m?

Edited 6 October 2021 by volpeazzurro

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

35 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Firstly I suggest that you read it again and read it properly. Nowhere have I said that I currently believe our squad is in the top 4 in the country, though at the start of the season I would have suggested that we were  capable perhaps of 5/6th?

 

The goalposts have changed quite dramatically I think since the last two seasons due to the last round of transfer dealings.

 

I think the previous two seasons however due to squads then and perhaps  unusual mitigating circumstances, things were quite different however. The fact that we were in the top 4 for a greater part of the season with such a commanding lead does tend to prove that. Neither is it always about the media reputation or value of squads on paper, remember 2015/16? Manchester City value approx 300m, Leicester 21.5m?

I could read it 300 times and still be baffled.