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Lako42

The Ashes 21/22

By Lako42, in General Football and Sport

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when_you're_smiling

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After watching the first session, woke up genuinely with a bit of hope that it would actually be good news when checking phone.

 

Not being able to get a score as high as 300 in six innings is criminal. Half the time you wouldn’t even win an ODI with that, never mind a Test in Australia.

Duquesne Whistle

Duquesne Whistle

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2 hours ago, ttfn said:

No amount of planning for the tour can change it but planning to bring through batsmen capable of playing at Test level is non-existent. 
 

The batting lineup in the mid-90s was famously brittle but it was full of players who either had talent and flattered to deceive (Hick, Ramprakash) or were actually gritty if not exactly elite players (Atherton, Stewart, Thorpe).
 

This batting lineup (with Root and Stokes honourable exceptions) has the magic mix of no talent and no application.

I know. I've sat through it all since the 70's.

 

Personally think the bowlers have actually been unlucky in the last two tests. They've bowled well and there's been so many deliveries which have beaten the outside edge without grazing it. 

Batsmen, well, I didn't have high hopes, but I thought Malan might perform reasonably well, it looks like it was misplaced though. 

The main problem is not putting any of the Australian disciplines under pressure. Much easier to bat when you're ahead, much easier to bowl/take wickets if you don't have to worry about economy. 

Australia have proven they're better than England, I still think their batting is extremely vulnerable, just nowhere near as vulnerable as ours.

Corky

Corky

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It really doesn't matter how well the bowlers perform when the fielding is dross and the batting just appalling.

 

Australia manage 267 which isn't particularly threatening and they've all but won the game already. Terrible.

Corky

Corky

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Just now, Duquesne Whistle said:

Zak Crawley earned a recall with a 2021 average of 11 runs per innings.

He then proceeded to lower it in this test lol

You've gotta laugh.

It's just rearranging the deckchairs, isn't it?

 

Sibley will probably be back sometime next year.

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Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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18 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

Zak Crawley earned a recall with a 2021 average of 11 runs per innings.

He then proceeded to lower it in this test lol

You've gotta laugh.

He didn't even deserve his initial call up, didn't he just go to the same private school that Ed Smith also attended. The bloke barely averages 30 in first class cricket, Sibley at least performed at county level and deserved to be tested out.

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surrifox

surrifox

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Not much point criticising selection as there aren’t too many more worthy contenders omitted . More and more Mickey Mouse tournaments and devalued county cricket are responsible for the absence of exponents of the long game which actually finances cricket 

In test match form.

its ridiculous that the players are asked to play a 5 test series in Australian conditions after one warm up match . The mugs running cricket have got to sort this .

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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33 minutes ago, surrifox said:

Not much point criticising selection as there aren’t too many more worthy contenders omitted . More and more Mickey Mouse tournaments and devalued county cricket are responsible for the absence of exponents of the long game which actually finances cricket 

In test match form.

its ridiculous that the players are asked to play a 5 test series in Australian conditions after one warm up match . The mugs running cricket have got to sort this .

Robson is better than Crawley and Hameed neither of those two have really done anything to justify being selected for England let alone for an Ashes tour. Libby also had a great 2021 and would have made more sense than either of the 2 previously mentioned. Burns is poor at test level but he does perform very well at county level so I can kind of see how they could justify that (not for much longer though). 

 

Also worth remembering Dan Lawrence was selected for this tour over Bohannon, and Buttler continues to get the nod over Foakes who's a better keeper and probably a better red ball batsman. Lawrence has potential as he's shown in county cricket but so far in test cricket he's looked very much out of his depth, I wouldn't mind seeing him a bit more during a few more home tests though.

 

Finally the Ashes is a 'showcase' series, so why not take a big game player like Livingstone, not had a great couple of years red ball wise, but he still has a good average with the bat and decent average with the ball. Livingstone would also allow us to go with 4 seamers/5 including Stokes but still have 2 spin options with himself and Root.

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BertFill

BertFill

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2 hours ago, surrifox said:

Not much point criticising selection as there aren’t too many more worthy contenders omitted . More and more Mickey Mouse tournaments and devalued county cricket are responsible for the absence of exponents of the long game which actually finances cricket 

In test match form.

its ridiculous that the players are asked to play a 5 test series in Australian conditions after one warm up match . The mugs ruining cricket have got to sort this .

(very subtly) fixed this for you.

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Corky

Corky

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45 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

Our average opening partnership in the series is just over 7:(

The opening partnership returns in this series are what you'd expect from Bangladesh circa 2002 when they were starting out in Test cricket.

 

 

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Voll Blau

Voll Blau

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6 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

What would you have the batting line up as going to the West Indies? Same to @coolhandfox & @Voll Blau

Hard to say. My only guaranteed three would be Root (batting 3), Stokes (if fit) and Foakes at 7 (not just because of the thorough rimming I give him on any if the FT cricket threads, but he also has form in the Caribbean).

 

Other than that,  anyone who shows some bottle in the rest of the inevitable dead rubbers in this series should be considered.

 

Windies are generally poor in Tests at the moment but massively up their game against us, so blooding debutants may still not be a brilliant idea. I love the idea of Livingstone as a Test player, but I suspect the fantasy of that is better than the reality. Like you I'd give Robson another go, which in a nutshell shows how bereft we are of ideas in this department.

Corky

Corky

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I've got no confidence in us going to the Caribbean and winning, their bowling attack is good and our batting against virtually everyone is poor.

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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2 minutes ago, Corky said:

I've got no confidence in us going to the Caribbean and winning, their bowling attack is good and our batting against virtually everyone is poor.

Yeah Burns, Crawley and Hameed out there would be awful. Suppose it's a case like @Voll Blau has questioned of whether it's a good place to throw new guys in? Imagine how disheartening it would be for the lads racking up runs in domestic cricket, if the likes of Crawley and Hameed fail against the West Indies but still get selected in the summer

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

Hard to say. My only guaranteed three would be Root (batting 3), Stokes (if fit) and Foakes at 7 (not just because of the thorough rimming I give him on any if the FT cricket threads, but he also has form in the Caribbean).

 

Other than that,  anyone who shows some bottle in the rest of the inevitable dead rubbers in this series should be considered.

 

Windies are generally poor in Tests at the moment but massively up their game against us, so blooding debutants may still not be a brilliant idea. I love the idea of Livingstone as a Test player, but I suspect the fantasy of that is better than the reality. Like you I'd give Robson another go, which in a nutshell shows how bereft we are of ideas in this department.

If we don't do reshuffle against the West Indies then I'd be dissapointed if we don't do it in the summer, especially if Robson, Libby, Yates, Bohannon etc all start the season well. Regarding Livingstone, guess it'll be a we won't know unless we try (suspect we'll never find out though) at least he'd give us another option to shift momentum rather than the waiting to get out dross some of this current lot serve up.

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