Festive Giveaways For Foxes Fans At Liverpool Game

[iancognito]

6 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

The thing is though it's painfully unfunny and unoriginal. And what is essentially, 'Hah you people are poor funny', is absolutely a joke built around the idea that poverty and people being poor is funny. And if good humour is meant to be based on fact then it really falls down because we have a bigger child poverty problem than Liverpool.

What is it that's funny about it? Is it just that you find anything negative anyone can come up with about Liverpool funny? Because I'm really struggling with the idea that it's not just a load of sun reading tory morons laughing at their innacurate belief that people in Liverpool are struggling more than us.

90% of football chants are painfully unfunny and unoriginal.

 

We're one of the few clubs to still do the painfully unfunny "You're shit aaaaahh" after goal kicks but you'll still see grown men giggling after every one. Football is all about rivallry and stereotypes that everyone knows aren't true (mostly) but the banter comes from that old school backwards and forwards singing them at each other. Does Soyuncu have a massive knob? No-one knows. Are people actually going to shit on the red side of the Trent? You'd hope not. Iwan never lived in a council flat next door to Joachim. There was a thread on here a few weeks back of inaccurate and accurate chants. And it covered virtually everything ever sung.

 

Norwich & Ipswich fans aren't farmers. Derby aren't Sheepshaggers. And of course, Liverpool fans don't all sit in squalor in absoilute poverty. It's nothing to do with the Sun or political affiliations however much you might hope it is, it never will be. But if we're at the point where we're so depressed with the whole thing that we'll actually sit & debate the inaccuracy of football chants, then the life really has gone from the terraces and we'll all just sit there grinning and slapping bits of carboard and drown out the nasty men injuring each other with hurty words.

[trabuch]

It's a nice gesture and I aspplaud it. But the best Christmas present the club could give me would be a clean sheet.

[iancognito]

Just now, trabuch said:

It's a nice gesture and I aspplaud it. But the best Christmas present the club could give me would be a clean sheet.

 

Amen sister

[Mark_w]

1 minute ago, iancognito said:

90% of football chants are painfully unfunny and unoriginal.

 

We're one of the few clubs to still do the painfully unfunny "You're shit aaaaahh" after goal kicks but you'll still see grown men giggling after every one. Football is all about rivallry and stereotypes that everyone knows aren't true (mostly) but the banter comes from that old school backwards and forwards singing them at each other. Does Soyuncu have a massive knob? No-one knows. Are people actually going to shit on the red side of the Trent? You'd hope not. Iwan never lived in a council flat next door to Joachim. There was a thread on here a few weeks back of inaccurate and accurate chants. And it covered virtually everything ever sung.

 

Norwich & Ipswich fans aren't farmers. Derby aren't Sheepshaggers. And of course, Liverpool fans don't all sit in squalor in absoilute poverty. It's nothing to do with the Sun or political affiliations however much you might hope it is, it never will be. But if we're at the point where we're so depressed with the whole thing that we'll actually sit & debate the inaccuracy of football chants, then the life really has gone from the terraces and we'll all just sit there grinning and slapping bits of carboard and drown out the nasty men injuring each other with hurty words.

To clarify I'm not saying it's unfunny because it's untrue, it's just another issue with the chant.

Why should we base our chants on lazy old-fashioned stereotypes that aren't funny? If 90% of football chants are painfully unfunny and unoriginal why perpetuate it? Why can't we be more creative than Liverpool poor lol. And when you have the press and large portions of a political party pushing the exact same stereotype, then whether you like it or not, it is to do with politics. These negative stereotypes are kept alive by the press, politicians, lazy comedians and lazy football fans. Was it funny when people made monkey noises at black players? And if not, would you have been ok with it because even though it's not funny, and there's no basis for the link, and a lot of people find it negative and hurtful, it was a thing football fans traditionally did and found funny and you'd just go 'oh don't mind them, they know black people aren't monkeys, it's just a tradition'. If Liverpool fans were in on this and cool with it, then maybe, even though I don't find it remotely funny, then maybe I could accept your point that it's just playful banter between the two, but go and read what they think about it - it's not a fun tradition for them. I'm not saying I've not been guilty of humour based on negative stereotypes, but they tend to not be funny, not be creative, and potentially hurt peoples feelings, and the people who are the butt of this joke don't find it funny. Why are we in such a hurry to protect that? Why are we worried about 'sanatising' football when this part of football isn't fun or enjoyable and just makes us look like a bunch of bigoted morons?

You can have football chants, and back and forth chants, without being lazy unfunny offensive pricks.

[The Year Of The Fox]

10 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

To clarify I'm not saying it's unfunny because it's untrue, it's just another issue with the chant.

Why should we base our chants on lazy old-fashioned stereotypes that aren't funny? If 90% of football chants are painfully unfunny and unoriginal why perpetuate it? Why can't we be more creative than Liverpool poor lol. And when you have the press and large portions of a political party pushing the exact same stereotype, then whether you like it or not, it is to do with politics. These negative stereotypes are kept alive by the press, politicians, lazy comedians and lazy football fans. Was it funny when people made monkey noises at black players? And if not, would you have been ok with it because even though it's not funny, and there's no basis for the link, and a lot of people find it negative and hurtful, it was a thing football fans traditionally did and found funny and you'd just go 'oh don't mind them, they know black people aren't monkeys, it's just a tradition'. If Liverpool fans were in on this and cool with it, then maybe, even though I don't find it remotely funny, then maybe I could accept your point that it's just playful banter between the two, but go and read what they think about it - it's not a fun tradition for them. I'm not saying I've not been guilty of humour based on negative stereotypes, but they tend to not be funny, not be creative, and potentially hurt peoples feelings, and the people who are the butt of this joke don't find it funny. Why are we in such a hurry to protect that? Why are we worried about 'sanatising' football when this part of football isn't fun or enjoyable and just makes us look like a bunch of bigoted morons?

You can have football chants, and back and forth chants, without being lazy unfunny offensive pricks.

My heart bleeds for them

 

If only they got their independence from that repressive country that is England so they could show the world who they really are 

Edited 27 December 2021 by The Year Of The Fox

[Mark_w]

5 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

My heart bleeds for them

 

If only they got their independence from that repressive country that is England so they could show the world who they really are 

If I came from Liverpool, and 3000-odd fans came from a different English city each week to sing about how I'm basically either a thief or poor and definitely scum. And I'd seen how that perception allowed a national media outlet to convince a lot of those people that I pissed on my dying mate, then I'd probably not like England either.

[The Year Of The Fox]

3 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

If I came from Liverpool, and 3000-odd fans came from a different English city each week to sing about how I'm basically either a thief or poor and definitely scum. And I'd seen how that perception allowed a national media outlet to convince a lot of those people that I pissed on my dying mate, then I'd probably not like England either.

There’s a common denominator in all this though isn’t there?

[Mark_w]

1 minute ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

There’s a common denominator in all this though isn’t there?

Yeah bigots who hate Liverpool.

[iancognito]

1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

To clarify I'm not saying it's unfunny because it's untrue, it's just another issue with the chant.

Why should we base our chants on lazy old-fashioned stereotypes that aren't funny? If 90% of football chants are painfully unfunny and unoriginal why perpetuate it? Why can't we be more creative than Liverpool poor lol. And when you have the press and large portions of a political party pushing the exact same stereotype, then whether you like it or not, it is to do with politics. These negative stereotypes are kept alive by the press, politicians, lazy comedians and lazy football fans. Was it funny when people made monkey noises at black players? And if not, would you have been ok with it because even though it's not funny, and there's no basis for the link, and a lot of people find it negative and hurtful, it was a thing football fans traditionally did and found funny and you'd just go 'oh don't mind them, they know black people aren't monkeys, it's just a tradition'. If Liverpool fans were in on this and cool with it, then maybe, even though I don't find it remotely funny, then maybe I could accept your point that it's just playful banter between the two, but go and read what they think about it - it's not a fun tradition for them. I'm not saying I've not been guilty of humour based on negative stereotypes, but they tend to not be funny, not be creative, and potentially hurt peoples feelings, and the people who are the butt of this joke don't find it funny. Why are we in such a hurry to protect that? Why are we worried about 'sanatising' football when this part of football isn't fun or enjoyable and just makes us look like a bunch of bigoted morons?

You can have football chants, and back and forth chants, without being lazy unfunny offensive pricks.

 

If you're really going to compare singing Feed The Scousers with making monkey chants then we can end this chat now. A racially offensive, neanderthal grunt is nowhere near a Christmas Song being reworked to be about the fans of a particular club. Silly comparison. As for any why we can't be more creative than Liverpool, have a word with the lyrical geniuses coming up with the songs in the first place. There are very few original songs and getting people's hands from under their bums is difficult enough without demanding creativity too.

 

I know there's lots of ways to communicate now but are we really going to start running our chants by the opposition fans asking them if they're okay with it before we sing it? I doubt some Derby fans are okay with the whole sheepshagger thing but then there's others singing "Sheepshag Army". In much the same way as 90% of the liverpool fans the other night rolled their eyes and paid attention to the game rather than going on Twitter and pretending to be offended by something they've heard hundreds of times before. Nobody has a right not to be offended. If you're offended, fine be offended. I was offended the BBC commissioned another "special" of Mrs Browns Boys but I just watched something else because somewhere I'm sure it gave someone a laugh. The whining from a handful of Liverpool fans about a chant at a football match rattles me the same as Sanchez sitting in the Arsenal dressing room holding out his lip to show the damage Fuchs did to him with a throw in. They're grown men & women, just dust yourselves off guys, dry your eyes, I'm sure you'll be okay.

Go back down the years. Sit yourself at Celtic Park at an Old Firm Derby. At The Den when Millwall play West Ham. At the Trent End when Derby go to Forest. In fact anywhere there's a bit of rivalry. Find me a few football chants that were back and forth, in a rip-roaring atmosphere that weren't somehow offensive. You'll struggle. And you know what, if they weren't offensive, a bit sweary and totally lazy in their unresearched, stereotypical nature, I doubt a lot of the people singing them would have even bothered going to the games. I can think of dozens of games in the 90s where me and my mates would spend days talking about the songs that were sung far more than what happened in the match. Stereotypical? Probably Offensive? Definitely. It's a working class, tribal sport, whatever has been done to it over the years. That will involve offence being taken & given & you know what? Some people won't be okay with it. Oh well.

[grobyfox1990]

Only problem with the feed the scousers chant is that it will motivate them far more. We aren’t capable of producing a hostile atmosphere that opposition players will buckle under. Only time in recent memory that’s happened is with maguire this year, but he’s an appealing footballer anyway, could’ve happened during a covid secure match at a socially distanced Fulham 

[iancognito]

4 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Only problem with the feed the scousers chant is that it will motivate them far more. We aren’t capable of producing a hostile atmosphere that opposition players will buckle under. Only time in recent memory that’s happened is with maguire this year, but he’s an appealing footballer anyway, could’ve happened during a covid secure match at a socially distanced Fulham 

I bet it doesn't. Half their players wouldn't even be aware of it or understand the nature of it.

[Mark_w]

41 minutes ago, iancognito said:

 

If you're really going to compare singing Feed The Scousers with making monkey chants then we can end this chat now. A racially offensive, neanderthal grunt is nowhere near a Christmas Song being reworked to be about the fans of a particular club. Silly comparison.

I don't think it is.

Lazy stereotypes, that demean a group of people based on who they are because of an accident of birth. The scale of the problem that black people face is much bigger, but that doesn't mean that this isn't ultimately rooted in the same bigoted othering of a group of people who are disliked because 'they aren't like us'.

And ultimately I appreciate football fandom is filled with tribalism. The example of calling Derby sheep-shaggers (though it's completely unfunny and tiresome) isn't so much of a problem because I don't believe for one second that anyone actually believes it. But when sections of the national press, and popular governments and huge swathes of the country are saying the same mindless shit about a group of people then it has the potential to be legitimately dangerous. It created an atmosphere that allowed a government & police force to cover up the manslaughter of ordinary football fans, because however much you claim it's not about an actual belief, a large number of people genuinley do distrust people from Liverpool. That's not innate, it's because of how prevalent and accepted these stereotypes have become. If you're happy being part of that problem then fill your boots, nobody is going to stop you, but I think it's a pretty shameful ugly part of our fanbase.

Edited 28 December 2021 by Mark_w

[HankMarvin]

It started off well 

[erlee]

meanwhile our defenders will be giving away goals at the corner(stand)

[hejammy]

How can we turn a "free beer, water mince pie or a caramel slice" thread in to a political one! 

 

Only on FT! 

[ozleicester]

typical...nothing for aussie fans again... bah, this club! 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

16 hours ago, Hollyfox said:

Class as always from our owners. 

 

Hope everyone enjoys and appreciates it and get behind our boys from the 1st whistle, instead of moaning and saying how shit we are. 

 

I watched a fair bit of Derby and West Brom today and Derby stayed in the game, took their chance and battled the game out with the backing of their fans. 

 

As much as I dislike them, Fair play to them. 

*Marketing team.

[SpacedX]

11 hours ago, iancognito said:

We're one of the few clubs to still do the painfully unfunny "You're shit aaaaahh" after goal kicks but you'll still see grown men giggling after every one.

Steady, you get the same "grown men" defending it on here. Oddly, I've noticed some of the same individuals that then argue in favour of the club's decision to use that dreadful goal music as a way of creating a 'family friendly' atmosphere. 

[jammie82uk]

12 hours ago, Corky said:

Thank God from Wednesday we can move on from Liverpool Football Club for a while. 

Until we play them again in 4 games time 

[iancognito]

12 hours ago, ozleicester said:

typical...nothing for aussie fans again... bah, this club! 

Ashes not good enough for you?

[iancognito]

6 hours ago, Line-X said:

Steady, you get the same "grown men" defending it on here. Oddly, I've noticed some of the same individuals that then argue in favour of the club's decision to use that dreadful goal music as a way of creating a 'family friendly' atmosphere. 

 

I don't actually have a problem with it, after near-on 40 years following us I'm just used to it but don't see why it still gets a laugh after all this time. My point was kind of that there are very few original and/or funny chants these days and that's certainly the longest running of them all.

[Raj]

Theres ALOT of proclaiming  what we should and shouldn't sing.

This is pr6 why in the end no one bothers!!!

I'll continue to do the "aaah your shit aaaaagggggghhhhhhhh" every goal kick by an opposition GK thank you very much!!!

(AND I still giggle like a little girl after so suck on that!)

[iancognito]

21 minutes ago, Raj said:

Theres ALOT of proclaiming  what we should and shouldn't sing.

This is pr6 why in the end no one bothers!!!

I'll continue to do the "aaah your shit aaaaagggggghhhhhhhh" every goal kick by an opposition GK thank you very much!!!

(AND I still giggle like a little girl after so suck on that!)

You go for it Raj

[The Year Of The Fox]

Any Liverpool fans struggle right  now

 

[KingsX]

On 27/12/2021 at 12:27, moore_94 said:

https://www.lcfc.com/news/2430055/festive-giveaways-for-foxes-fans-at-liverpool-game

 

Leicester City supporters attending Tuesday night’s Premier League fixture with Liverpool at King Power Stadium will be given free beer or water and mince pies or caramel slices as a thank you for their fantastic support during 2021.

 

- Free beer or water and mince pies or caramel slices to be given away to LCFC fans
- Giveaway to take place ahead of Liverpool fixture on Tuesday 28 December
- Collection points open from 5:30pm to 7:30pm at points around King Power Stadium

 

Leicester City supporters attending Tuesday night’s Premier League fixture with Liverpool at King Power Stadium will be given free beer or water and mince pies or caramel slices as encouragement to dissect any sociopolitical issues which could possibly pertain to certain football chants.

 

- Free beer or water and mince pies or caramel slices to be ignored by LCFC fans    (in favor of stigmatizing Scousers, Tories, footy fans in general, or scapegoat of choice)
- Arguments to take place ahead of Liverpool fixture for oh, about two days
- FT open round the clock as always