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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

These are the standards our fans hold us in unfortunately

I think it's some form of impostor syndrome. It's genuinely unfathomable to some that we have multiple youngsters who are good enough to become England first team regulars in the future that are also good enough to be starters in the championship at only 16 years of age. So they're desperately clutching to 'sensible transfer' 29 year olds who have peaked at championship level to ground themselves back in 'little old leicester' territory. The self destruction at this club from ownership to fans is really bad.

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1 minute ago, honeybradger said:

I think it's some form of impostor syndrome. It's genuinely unfathomable to some that we have multiple youngsters who are good enough to become England first team regulars in the future that are also good enough to be starters in the championship at only 16 years of age. So they're desperately clutching to 'sensible transfer' 29 year olds who have peaked at championship level to ground themselves back in 'little old leicester' territory. The self destruction at this club from ownership to fans is really bad.

That's a bold claim, who do you think are going to become England regulars? 

 

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Just now, coolhandfox said:

That's a bold claim, who do you think are going to become England regulars? 

 

Monga, Page and Evans.

 

Monga was playing well at PL level at 15, only Nwaneri in his age group has done similar, I think it's a safe bet he will be in the England XI when he's older outside of injuries.

 

Page is very highly rated in the England youth set up and impressed the other day.

 

Evans was one of the best goalscorers at u21 level last year despite being 16, he's clearly advanced far beyond his age but doesnt get the hype he deserves on here, was very impressed by his hold up play the other day. Would much rather start with him up front next season than Che Adams at the very least.

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4 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Monga, Page and Evans.

 

Monga was playing well at PL level at 15, only Nwaneri in his age group has done similar, I think it's a safe bet he will be in the England XI when he's older outside of injuries.

 

Page is very highly rated in the England youth set up and impressed the other day.

 

Evans was one of the best goalscorers at u21 level last year despite being 16, he's clearly advanced far beyond his age but doesnt get the hype he deserves on here, was very impressed by his hold up play the other day. Would much rather start with him up front next season than Che Adams at the very least.

I'd go and see what odds you get on a bet for that.

 

Lots of players look great 15-20.

 

I think if one makes that's good going.

 

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8 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I'd go and see what odds you get on a bet for that.

 

Lots of players look great 15-20.

 

I think if one makes that's good going.

 

I never claimed they were all nailed on England internationals but all 3 are on track currently. At the very least we shouldnt bring in Josh Brownhill and Che Adams to play ahead of them, it would be very short sighted and im not even sure the former 2 are even the better players currently despite the age gap.

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18 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I think it's some form of impostor syndrome. It's genuinely unfathomable to some that we have multiple youngsters who are good enough to become England first team regulars in the future that are also good enough to be starters in the championship at only 16 years of age. So they're desperately clutching to 'sensible transfer' 29 year olds who have peaked at championship level to ground themselves back in 'little old leicester' territory. The self destruction at this club from ownership to fans is really bad.

I was against all of the aforementioned signings but Adams is different.

 

Our striking options currently are Daka and Ayew. Adams is a 1 in 3 striker at a higher level than this one, Evans is the only young striker and even he seems to be more of a winger. If the fee is right for Adams, Torino signed I'm on a free, (he's not even been linked anyway tbh) then we should go for him as a Daka replacement and a striker that could score enough to get us up.

 

I normally agree with you on players but we also need players to be good right now, none of the other previous shit aging signings even did that.

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1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

People would seriously take Josh Brownhill and Che Adams? Che Adams is NOT rated by Southampton fans in the slightest, why do our fans think they know him better? He's also 29 and going to be looking for moderately high wages, we need to learn our lesson on these players.

 

Josh Brownhill is the same, 29 and looking for one last big contract. Do our fans not see the ability the likes of Monga, Page and Alves have? All who are looking to break through in Brownhill's position, imagine we lose out on the opportunity to develop some of England's best talents (yes you heard that correctly, Page and Monga are undeniably two of England's biggest talents) for Josh Brownhill.

 

It's almost like half the posters on here are Rudkin in disguise. Coady, Winks, Corodva Reid, Ayew were all touted as 'sensible' transfers on here not long ago, now we cant wait to see the back of them. We need to be draining the swamp to give a pathway to our academy talents, not filling it up.

 

Also Brownhill is nowhere near the level of KDH, who still got pelters on here in the 23/24 season for his inconsistent touch. KDH is a far better ball carrier and passer, I think our fans will be surprised by how limited Brownhill is in comparison.

It's all about balance.

 

We absolutely need players who will improve, but they also benefit from having experienced players next to them.

 

Any signing is a gamble but Adams and Brownhill feel like decent additions tbh.

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16 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I was against all of the aforementioned signings but Adams is different.

 

Our striking options currently are Daka and Ayew. Adams is a 1 in 3 striker at a higher level than this one, Evans is the only young striker and even he seems to be more of a winger. If the fee is right for Adams, Torino signed I'm on a free, (he's not even been linked anyway tbh) then we should go for him as a Daka replacement and a striker that could score enough to get us up.

 

I normally agree with you on players but we also need players to be good right now, none of the other previous shit aging signings even did that.

I would look around online to see what Southampton and Scottish fans think of him. It will likely change your opinion.

In terms of Evans he's got good hold up play, good ball carrying, good passing, good finishing, he's got almost everything i would want from a striker coming in so I dont understand why our fans are overlooking him as an option. I think he's good enough as he is now. If he was a youngster at Man United or Chelsea and we were loaning him in sure our fans would be ecstatic.

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2 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I would look around online to see what Southampton and Scottish fans think of him. It will likely change your opinion.

In terms of Evans he's got good hold up play, good ball carrying, good passing, good finishing, he's got almost everything i would want from a striker coming in so I dont understand why our fans are overlooking him as an option. I think he's good enough as he is now. If he was a youngster at Man United or Chelsea and we were loaning him in sure our fans would be ecstatic.

Mixed bag in the comments there with most saying 6/10, some 8/10 and most saying they wouldn't take him back. The obvious caveat is if you took the replies to one of LCFC's tweets too seriously you'd be led down the garden path.

 

His numbers look absolutely fine and his fbref data has him as a slight +ev finisher. He has 38 championship goals in his last 66 appearances, plus 8 assists.

 

As for Evans, I really like the look of him and I'm happy to give him a chance but if at the end of the season we didn't sign a striker and missed out on promotion (or even being close) we'd be absolutely lambasting the club for their incompetence. 

 

If we essentially swapped out Daka for Adams we'd be better off.

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19 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I would look around online to see what Southampton and Scottish fans think of him. It will likely change your opinion.

In terms of Evans he's got good hold up play, good ball carrying, good passing, good finishing, he's got almost everything i would want from a striker coming in so I dont understand why our fans are overlooking him as an option. I think he's good enough as he is now. If he was a youngster at Man United or Chelsea and we were loaning him in sure our fans would be ecstatic.

I'm a Scotland fan. 

 

I like him. He seems like a good lad with a good attitude. I like that he's from Leicester and I think would care about the club. 

He works hard and contributes to play as a whole. 

 

But....

 

He's just not a natural goalscorer and we would not be able to rely on him for goals. 

Posted
1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

Monga, Page and Evans.

 

Monga was playing well at PL level at 15, only Nwaneri in his age group has done similar, I think it's a safe bet he will be in the England XI when he's older outside of injuries.

 

Page is very highly rated in the England youth set up and impressed the other day.

 

Evans was one of the best goalscorers at u21 level last year despite being 16, he's clearly advanced far beyond his age but doesnt get the hype he deserves on here, was very impressed by his hold up play the other day. Would much rather start with him up front next season than Che Adams at the very least.

 

I understand what you are saying - but these players are not going to play a 50 game season at this age. 

 

Also, think about it another way - instead them blocking there path - maybe they will learn from them? 

 

 

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I don’t want Che Adams because he would cost a pretty decent fee and wages to get, whilst also turning 29 this week

 

The kind of money he would cost should be spent on a young striker

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11 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Mixed bag in the comments there with most saying 6/10, some 8/10 and most saying they wouldn't take him back. The obvious caveat is if you took the replies to one of LCFC's tweets too seriously you'd be led down the garden path.

 

His numbers look absolutely fine and his fbref data has him as a slight +ev finisher. He has 38 championship goals in his last 66 appearances, plus 8 assists.

 

As for Evans, I really like the look of him and I'm happy to give him a chance but if at the end of the season we didn't sign a striker and missed out on promotion (or even being close) we'd be absolutely lambasting the club for their incompetence. 

 

If we essentially swapped out Daka for Adams we'd be better off.

I think we just have to agree to disagree which as you mentioned is rare. I just dont see a reason for us signing another 'he will do a job in the championship' player who is supposedly at their peak but is struggling to find a club that wants them.

 

In my opinion we need to be running things the right way first and success will soon follow. It just seems like the club is constantly gambling on older players on high wages for short term success and it's consistently not paid off, Che Adams would be a continuation of that strategy, would you genuinely still want him on the books next season if we were promoted, or 3 years down the line?

 

It's very much a mentality of 'if he scrapes us to promotion the wages and fees would pay for themselves' or 'if he keeps us up then the wages and fees would have been worth it'. Constantly scraping by with minimal long term planning will get us nowhere.

Posted
6 minutes ago, TommyK said:

 

I understand what you are saying - but these players are not going to play a 50 game season at this age. 

 

Also, think about it another way - instead them blocking there path - maybe they will learn from them? 

 

 

We have a very bloated squad full of senior players who arent good enough for the PL but are too good for the championship. If we need to rotate our best youth we can do it with senior players like Ayew, Daka, Mavididi, Cordova Reid, Mcateer or with other young lesser talents like Joseph, Wanya, Josh King etc. Im still a fan of Baybrooke and Cartwright for midfield who didn't even play the other day.

 

I just cant see a reason why we need to add Brownhill and Adams onto an already bloated wage bill and squad.

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If you need a rigid CF at Championship level I can see Adams being of interest.

 

But I do wonder if we even need that kind of player. We have an abundance of attacking talent coming through.

 

I think with the following players in the squad, we can play a fluid front three with even a creative player behind them, using a combination of any of them and sharing the goals around the squad:

 

Mavididi

Fatawu

McAteer

Alves

Monga

Page

Evans

Ayew (assuming he stays)

El Khannouss (assuming he stays)

Golding

 

I may have missed one or two more.

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Posted
Just now, honeybradger said:

I think we just have to agree to disagree which as you mentioned is rare. I just dont see a reason for us signing another 'he will do a job in the championship' player who is supposedly at their peak but is struggling to find a club that wants them.

 

In my opinion we need to be running things the right way first and success will soon follow. It just seems like the club is constantly gambling on older players on high wages for short term success and it's consistently not paid off, Che Adams would be a continuation of that strategy, would you genuinely still want him on the books next season if we were promoted, or 3 years down the line?

 

It's very much a mentality of 'if he scrapes us to promotion the wages and fees would pay for themselves' or 'if he keeps us up then the wages and fees would have been worth it'. Constantly scraping by with minimal long term planning will get us nowhere.

I'd be happy with him as an option in the PL. 25 goals, 13 assists in 86.8 nineties so about 10 goals a season.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather sign say Nelson Weiper but f we can shift Daka and sign Adams on the right terms (which is probably unlikely) I'd be up for it.

Posted
18 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

literally don't blame him, we are an absolute mess 

Make the choice leicester. On one hand you have the blue pill - you give Che Adams and Josh Brownhill fat retirement contracts but you lose Evans and Page, you may get promoted off the back of it but it's a small upturn at best before you slowly fall down the English pyramid.

 

On the other hand you have the red pill - you back the youngsters, bin off the experienced old farts and give Louis Page and Jake Evans decent contracts that are a fraction of what you would give Brownhill and Adams and you stay in wonderland, I'll show you how high up the football pyramid you can go.

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Re. Che Adams - if he wanted the move and we wanted to sign him, I’m sure there’s a deal to be had with Torino where we sign him for €8m and send Faes there way for an equivalent fee.

 

I’m torn on it, but wouldn’t hate it if we managed to sell one of Daka/ Ayew and it meant we got rid of Faes as well!! 

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1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

Read on X that the Pete O'Rourke story is not true and Page on his Instagram account has said he's in negotiations with the club.

 

More rubbish from Football Insider then. 

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7 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Read on X that the Pete O'Rourke story is not true and Page on his Instagram account has said he's in negotiations with the club.

 

More rubbish from Football Insider then. 

Player scored 2 goals in pre season game and press try to make a story from it, no surely not?

Posted
28 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Read on X that the Pete O'Rourke story is not true and Page on his Instagram account has said he's in negotiations with the club.

 

More rubbish from Football Insider then. 

What a relief! 

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