Bptiger Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 Lookman came to us and played with a attacking freedom, but then he went into his shell , I think Rodgers tried to change how he played and we seen him decline, then he seems to have been given back the freedom to run at defenders more which is his trademark , he really looks good when he take defenders on , hope he stays , while he plays that way . 2
Buzzell Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 5 hours ago, StanSP said: Hands up if you had faith in him from the start, didn't write him off after a couple of games and were willing to give him time to settle in and show us how good he can be 🙋🏾♂️ And yes, I am in that 'told you so' mood.... 🙋♂️ 2
SecretPro Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 (edited) If that **** lump Chris Wood is worth £25m then Lookman is worth £50m. I'd be more than happy to pay £15m for him. Seems a good lad too. Edited 14 January 2022 by SecretPro 2
Buzzell Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 Absolute no brainier. Works well under Rodgers and has proved that he is capable of doing a job for us. GET HIM IN! 1
Guest StevieLynex Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 1 hour ago, Andy W said: Yes as long as it is written in to his contract that he can take a penalty as well as taking a corner, defending a corner, and not being injured
Dan Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 Think I'm in favour - not been totally sold but I'm getting there, we're hardly stacked on the wing and he's really started to click for us. He's clearly got some ability. I prefer him on the left to the right though and he doesn't fix the problem, but he's a good option to have. 3
Dusty Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 53 minutes ago, Bptiger said: Lookman came to us and played with a attacking freedom, but then he went into his shell , I think Rodgers tried to change how he played and we seen him decline, then he seems to have been given back the freedom to run at defenders more which is his trademark , he really looks good when he take defenders on , hope he stays , while he plays that way . What on earth are you on about? Why would Rodgers sign him and then tell him not to do what he is good at, and also what we have wingers for? He clearly hasn’t told Barnes or Maddison to play with less freedom so why has he with lookman? Lookman played badly for a few games, it happens to everyone. Not sure why you’ve turned it into some agenda against Rodgers.
Bptiger Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 26 minutes ago, Dusty said: What on earth are you on about? Why would Rodgers sign him and then tell him not to do what he is good at, and also what we have wingers for? He clearly hasn’t told Barnes or Maddison to play with less freedom so why has he with lookman? Lookman played badly for a few games, it happens to everyone. Not sure why you’ve turned it into some agenda against Rodgers. Because that’s what Rodgers does , yes he wants the attacking side but he wants the player to also be a defensive player , if u can’t see that ur not watching the game , some players can do both others take time and others just don’t 1
Tuna Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 Get it done, capable squad player who can still improve. 1
sacreblueits442 Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 1 hour ago, Dusty said: What on earth are you on about? Why would Rodgers sign him and then tell him not to do what he is good at, and also what we have wingers for? He clearly hasn’t told Barnes or Maddison to play with less freedom so why has he with lookman? Lookman played badly for a few games, it happens to everyone. Not sure why you’ve turned it into some agenda against Rodgers. ...it wouldn't be the first time Rodgers elected to play or use a player in a way which does not suit their skillset!!! At the moment Vestergaard is struggling with having to play a highline, it doesn't help him and it doesn't help us. Maddison previously being shunted out to the Right Wing over and over, it did not help him and his game suffered. We have seen the calls Rodgers has made and struggle to understand his reasoning, he does get things wrong.
LCFCCHRIS Posted 14 January 2022 Posted 14 January 2022 You could see even early on he had talent, even if everything wasn't clicking. One of the best players in tight situations I've seen at Leicester. Often impressed even when he's shoved back in a more midfield role during periods of games that he can beat one or two in tight scenarios to start a counter attack or a forward move.
Dusty Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 1 hour ago, Bptiger said: Because that’s what Rodgers does , yes he wants the attacking side but he wants the player to also be a defensive player , if u can’t see that ur not watching the game , some players can do both others take time and others just don’t But that’s a different point to the one you made. Rodgers wants him to work hard yes, that doesn’t mean he can’t have creative freedom too? Lookman just went through a patch of bad form, and why is your assumption that Rodgers has told him to play negatively when other players clearly haven’t had that instruction?
LFox99 Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 Use any money we can scrape from a potential Perez sale to subsidize Lookman's deal. Perez' best position is supposed to be centrally as a second striker/ false nine/ 10 whatever role. Ade has looked better than him in that position even though it's not his preferred one. Lookman would be a great addition to the squad as some competition to Harvey to keep him on his toes, and play on the right and up front if needed. Obviously I hope we'd still get in a proper RW on top. Could have a massive summer window if Youri leaves, I'd imagine we would be able to spend around 50-60m regardless of any major sales. Add Youri's fee onto that and we could have our pick with RWs and CBs 1
sacreblueits442 Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 12 minutes ago, LFox99 said: Use any money we can scrape from a potential Perez sale to subsidize Lookman's deal. Perez' best position is supposed to be centrally as a second striker/ false nine/ 10 whatever role. Ade has looked better than him in that position even though it's not his preferred one. Lookman would be a great addition to the squad as some competition to Harvey to keep him on his toes, and play on the right and up front if needed. Obviously I hope we'd still get in a proper RW on top. Could have a massive summer window if Youri leaves, I'd imagine we would be able to spend around 50-60m regardless of any major sales. Add Youri's fee onto that and we could have our pick with RWs and CBs ....I am glad that FT believes that we will be bringing in a RW, because if Neres has gone for 12m Euros then we are not serious in covering that position!!! Bailey has found himself a move, Ziyech gone to Chelsea (struggling for game time) and we spend all summer supposedly chasing Trincao and the next season chasing Berardi and with no sign of any of them coming in. You wonder if we know anything about filling this position.
LFox99 Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....I am glad that FT believes that we will be bringing in a RW, because if Neres has gone for 12m Euros then we are not serious in covering that position!!! Bailey has found himself a move, Ziyech gone to Chelsea (struggling for game time) and we spend all summer supposedly chasing Trincao and the next season chasing Berardi and with no sign of any of them coming in. You wonder if we know anything about filling this position. I have no clue why we're supposed to be disappointed about not having signed any of those players you mentioned. What's the point in forcing a transfer when the right player isn't available? We've seen what can happen with Vestergaard. The club has always been adamant that they will go above and beyond to make a signing if it's the right player. We've done so previously with Youri, Fofana, Patson. Neres has moved to the Ukrainian League from Ajax after being bullied to the bench by Anthony. He's shown no signs of being able to replicate his form from a couple of seasons ago hence Ajax made the call to cut him loose and get what they can for him. Bailey has yet to prove his worth in this league after his move for a whopping 30m. Ziyech wasn't even in top form when Chelsea came calling. He's continued in London the same way since. I don't think I need to say much about Trincao. He doesn't even start for Wolves. Berardi is the only one out of the lot you named who seems to be doing well consistently. The issue with him is that by the time the next season starts he'll be 28. We don't wanna fill our biggest hole with a stopgap which will last for god knows how long. 4
Bptiger Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 8 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...it wouldn't be the first time Rodgers elected to play or use a player in a way which does not suit their skillset!!! At the moment Vestergaard is struggling with having to play a highline, it doesn't help him and it doesn't help us. Maddison previously being shunted out to the Right Wing over and over, it did not help him and his game suffered. We have seen the calls Rodgers has made and struggle to understand his reasoning, he does get things wrong. Thank you , I think u get where Iam coming from , Pratt and under were shown the door because Rodgers wanted them to change how they played
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 12 hours ago, SecretPro said: If that **** lump Chris Wood is worth £25m then Lookman is worth £50m. I'd be more than happy to pay £15m for him. Seems a good lad too. That's an incredibly unfair assessment of Chris Wood. 2
reynard Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 13 hours ago, SecretPro said: If that **** lump Chris Wood is worth £25m then Lookman is worth £50m. I'd be more than happy to pay £15m for him. Seems a good lad too. Wood is a lot better than you are suggesting. There's a good chance he will score the goals that keep Newcastle up and then he will look like a bargain. 1
An Sionnach Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 9 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....I am glad that FT believes that we will be bringing in a RW, because if Neres has gone for 12m Euros then we are not serious in covering that position!!! Bailey has found himself a move, Ziyech gone to Chelsea (struggling for game time) and we spend all summer supposedly chasing Trincao and the next season chasing Berardi and with no sign of any of them coming in. You wonder if we know anything about filling this position. Rodgers will never sanction a wide player who doesn't defend , he is not impressed by Barnes dodgy defending and that's why Harvey is playing more centrally. Under did not defend so was not going to make it here. If we find somebody with decent defensive stats then he has a chance here.
lgfualol Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 We spent £15m on Vesters, so this seems a no brainer. Still young and can improve.
Guest SO1 Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 12 hours ago, LFox99 said: I have no clue why we're supposed to be disappointed about not having signed any of those players you mentioned. What's the point in forcing a transfer when the right player isn't available? We've seen what can happen with Vestergaard. The club has always been adamant that they will go above and beyond to make a signing if it's the right player. We've done so previously with Youri, Fofana, Patson. Neres has moved to the Ukrainian League from Ajax after being bullied to the bench by Anthony. He's shown no signs of being able to replicate his form from a couple of seasons ago hence Ajax made the call to cut him loose and get what they can for him. Bailey has yet to prove his worth in this league after his move for a whopping 30m. Ziyech wasn't even in top form when Chelsea came calling. He's continued in London the same way since. I don't think I need to say much about Trincao. He doesn't even start for Wolves. Berardi is the only one out of the lot you named who seems to be doing well consistently. The issue with him is that by the time the next season starts he'll be 28. We don't wanna fill our biggest hole with a stopgap which will last for god knows how long. A voice in the wilderness. Talk about a full body slam for us Foxestalk scouting experts!
sacreblueits442 Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, LFox99 said: I have no clue why we're supposed to be disappointed about not having signed any of those players you mentioned. What's the point in forcing a transfer when the right player isn't available? We've seen what can happen with Vestergaard. The club has always been adamant that they will go above and beyond to make a signing if it's the right player. We've done so previously with Youri, Fofana, Patson. Neres has moved to the Ukrainian League from Ajax after being bullied to the bench by Anthony. He's shown no signs of being able to replicate his form from a couple of seasons ago hence Ajax made the call to cut him loose and get what they can for him. Bailey has yet to prove his worth in this league after his move for a whopping 30m. Ziyech wasn't even in top form when Chelsea came calling. He's continued in London the same way since. I don't think I need to say much about Trincao. He doesn't even start for Wolves. Berardi is the only one out of the lot you named who seems to be doing well consistently. The issue with him is that by the time the next season starts he'll be 28. We don't wanna fill our biggest hole with a stopgap which will last for god knows how long. ...we were chasing them, whether we were priced out of deals is irrelevant, we were attempting to pick some of them up!!! As i said previously those players when at the top of their game stayed at their respective clubs and began to plateau. Their first seasons in the Premier League has not helped. We have picked up very good players in different positions, we seem to struggle to bring in a player for the Right Wing, we just cannot seem to get it right.. Edited 15 January 2022 by sacreblueits442
An Sionnach Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 30 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...we were chasing them, whether we were priced out of deals is irrelevant, we were attempting to pick them up!!! As i said previously those players when at the top of their game stayed at their respective clubs and began to plateau. Their first seasons in the Premier League has not helped. We have picked up very good players in different positions, we seem to struggle to bring in a player for the Right Wing, we just cannot seem to get it right.. After all these years we are still attempting to replace Mahrez or at least some are. I'm pretty sure it rarely crosses Rodgers's mind , he has more important issues to resolve.We are simply not short of goals at all , its the other end that is causing us the problems.
Guest TaggertvsWise Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 On 14/01/2022 at 15:52, StanSP said: Hands up if you had faith in him from the start, didn't write him off after a couple of games and were willing to give him time to settle in and show us how good he can be 🙋🏾♂️ And yes, I am in that 'told you so' mood.... 🙋🏼♂️ I was quite vocal about it. Always liked the lad.
sacreblueits442 Posted 15 January 2022 Posted 15 January 2022 1 minute ago, An Sionnach said: After all these years we are still attempting to replace Mahrez or at least some are. I'm pretty sure it rarely crosses Rodgers's mind , he has more important issues to resolve.We are simply not short of goals at all , its the other end that is causing us the problems. ...for now the defence is an issue, it wasn't before, we were solid and well stocked before!!! We keep coming back to replacing Mahrez, but that is not what I am looking for, just someone competent on the right who could draw defenders and allow space for Barnes and our other attackers. We need that balance and we need someone capable of realising our potential as we too often make the wrong choices in the last third and mess up chances, as we are not ruthless enough as we should be.
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